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Peat, Greg, ect to be rocking Edge carbon rims on their V10's!

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http://nsmb.com/3515-santa-cruz-syndicate-2010/

Just stumbled upon this over at NSMB, some interesting news I'd say. I'm a huge fan of anything carbon and have had nothing but great experiences with the stuff, it just makes so much sense to me. I'd love to be able to buy a set of those rims and maybe a bar.

Besides the obvious of DT being out (as a rim sponsor at least) and Edge being in, this surely must be forum argument worthy news.
 
4130biker

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Dt Swiss rims? Carbon? I see no potential for anything but fact-based informative discourse. ;)
 
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2010 Edge Composites AM Clincher Rim
Item: EDG101 Actual Weight: 420.0g
$800.00/2/$760.00

1520.00 for 2 rims? To rich for this kid. Heard they are strong and light though.
 
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king hubs and edge rims, thats a rather expensive wheelset there....
 
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good point trib: makes me wonder what the price/performance ratio would be. Somehow feels more like a move for further marketeering of the Syndicate team, and therefore santa cruz than a genuine advancement in technology. One for the fanbois..;)
 
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Anyone have any time on a carbon rim in DH application?

Can you dink one?
Do they go much out of round or out of true?

I would guess they would have a higher damage threshold, but once the threshold is reached, it's all over and time for a new rim.
 
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They have been discussed before but i'll throw in my .02 anyway... I'm in Utah, and a few people are riding them here, namely Mitch Ropelato.

They are reeealy strong and crazy stiff for a 400g rim. And they are wide!

They don't ding. They hold up better than they should. But if you clobber a rock that's gonna smash a wheel then you will crack the Edge carbon rim. Damage i have seen has not been catastrophic-which is very good for carbon- and the wheel made it to the bottom of the race run with the tire inflated.

The carbon layup is crazy nice. The fibers go around the spoke holes instead of being drilled through. That allows super high spoke tension, higher than you can go with a 5-600 gram rim, and these are 400g.

They don't set up tubeless well. The inner rim shape is a steady concave.

If you have the dollas then they are excellent. For 70g and 100% better tubeless setup i chose Flow's.

Oh- don't forget to stock up on long valve stem presta tubes.
 
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i thought Minaar was running them last year too, unless that was just on a Nomad or something
 
dante

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After seeing Sam go through rims like cans of Monster at a couple of the races, I wonder if the cost-benefit might actually be there for someone like him? (Yes, I know he doesn't actually pay for them, but using that as an example.) If they resist denting/flatspotting and only crack under extreme hits, they might actually last longer than the current Alu rims. I have to say, though, in my mind carbon belongs on a road bike, not a DH bike...
 
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dante said:
After seeing Sam go through rims like cans of Monster at a couple of the races, I wonder if the cost-benefit might actually be there for someone like him? (Yes, I know he doesn't actually pay for them, but using that as an example.) If they resist denting/flatspotting and only crack under extreme hits, they might actually last longer than the current Alu rims. I have to say, though, in my mind carbon belongs on a road bike, not a DH bike...
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Not to mention those softer aluminum rims really help avoid flat tires with non-tubeless set-ups.
 
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Bit ridiculous and can't be making nearly as much from sponsorship.

Rather than spending the money on saving 70g on rims, should go towards decent dual ply dh tyres. That way they'd actually sell more to consumers, which is the reason they have trade teams in the first place.
 
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Yes Edge is making a DH version of the AM rim. Some of the guys here are ridding them. Mitch, Cranner and Chris Canfield all have the DH rims. I have not seen them but have heard great things about them. The price tag is high for a rim but if you want to drop the gram's on your wheel thats A way to do it.
Vaughn
 
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VMARTINEZ said:
Yes Edge is making a DH version of the AM rim. Some of the guys here are ridding them. Mitch, Cranner and Chris Canfield all have the DH rims. I have not seen them but have heard great things about them. The price tag is high for a rim but if you want to drop the gram's on your wheel thats A way to do it.
Vaughn
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I am just curious about 2 things. I want to know how durable they are, and how they work against pinch flatting. I could justify the cost if they were really durable, but with the ridemoney tendency to upgrade parts every 6 weeks, I can't see this as a viable option.

But like all technology, if it works and a few people buy it, the cost could come down.
 
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Pepper Brooks said:
I am just curious about 2 things. I want to know how durable they are, and how they work against pinch flatting. I could justify the cost if they were really durable, but with the ridemoney tendency to upgrade parts every 6 weeks, I can't see this as a viable option.

But like all technology, if it works and a few people buy it, the cost could come down.
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I live in Ogden the town that Edge is out of. I have seen some of there wheels out here but not many. I think there bigger in the road world where people spend big money on this kind of stuff. But there rims are to spendy for me.
But thay are nice guys and they know there sh!t.
Vaughn
 
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I want to preface this by saying that I buy Edge stuff just like any other bike company would. Even at my pricing I can assure you that this stuff is freaking insanely expensive.
We've been running Edge products on all of our XC, road and CX race bikes for the last two seasons. I've spent plenty of time dirtjumping and abusing the hell out of my Edge XC rims, as have the other riders I have on Edge wheels.
I really don't think any of you can understand just how superlative these things are.
They are honestly worth $700 a pop. You aren't going to break them any time soon. Your hub flanges will shear before you do damage to them. I've had XC racers break multiple spokes in start-line crashes and race the entire races without the wheel even going out of true. We run Kings front and rear, and I am excited that I can swap my XC wheels out to my DS wheels fairly easily by changing to the 15mm through axle up front and funbolts in the rear. I've used road tubular rims to race 29'rs, etc etc.
These things are so good that they have completely re-defined what we expect a rim to do. They feel like riding a really good pair of skis or a snowboard, damping wise. They are so stiff laterally that the first few times you ride them you tend to highside through corners. They don't pinch flat in my experience- there is enough vertical deflection designed into them that the rim moves out of the way quickly enough to avoid the pinch. There are obviously going to be failures here and there of course, but I can't see your average cat1 racer killing the DH rim, when the AM rims have held up super well in testing.

Compared to how often a worldcup pro goes through standard race rims, the Edge stuff will pay will pay for itself in a season and a half for your average privateer, and the performance benefit is undeniably huge.

There are rumors that they have a 760mm bar in development. The other Edge bars we have, well, let's just say they alter the bike riding experience in a very noticeable, and very positive way. Damping is incredibly important, and the Edge stuff is beyond dialed in the feel and reliability department.
Our next product development programs here are focused on using Edge made tubing and molded parts to build the best possible frames.

It's the best stuff on the planet, and I trust my life with it every day. I've had impacts on my road bike that would cause catastrophic failures in even a steel fork that I've ridden out of with my Edge road forks.

As an added benefit, you aren't going to find another rim that is made in the USA. It's not about saving weight really, it's about increasing performance and reliability. The prospect oh having DH width Edge bars and all-mountain rims on my race bike this season has me excited about racing DH for the first time in 3 or 4 years. Sure, most of my experiences are qualitative, but for the nerds, there are significant quantitative test results that are so favorable that they appear at first glance to be wrong.

I wouldn't really suggest that anyone who is skeptical go out and buy some rims to see if they work well. Wait until you get a chance to see and ride them. Make sure you have a credit card handy.
 
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dante

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gemini2k said:
Ya they might last 3 runs instead of 1 or 2. Great Success!
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Instead of some snarky comment, I'll actually wait to see how long they last. Assuming retail to retail (percentages), these are probably about 10x as expensive as a set of DT 5.1s. If they last 10x as long they suddenly become worth it, as well as ensuring that one of the pro mechanic's isn't spending hours upon hours each race re-lacing rims. Have you ever seen the amount of rims that a pro will go through? The great thing about carbon is you can inspect it for cracks, and if it's good then you're ready to go off and ride again on it. With the strength of carbon I can imagine that it's far more resilient to things like flat-spotting or taco'ing. Obviously square-edge impacts would be it's downfall, but if you can avoid those you're probably looking at something that is going to last a long, long time.
 
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Mickey, great endorsement. I immediately dismissed the idea that I need carbon rims, but now I may look at the AM ones for my other bikes for now.
 
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SuspectDevice said:
I want to preface this by saying that I buy Edge stuff just like any other bike company would. Even at my pricing I can assure you that this stuff is freaking insanely expensive.
We've been running Edge products on all of our XC, road and CX race bikes for the last two seasons. I've spent plenty of time dirtjumping and abusing the hell out of my Edge XC rims, as have the other riders I have on Edge wheels.
I really don't think any of you can understand just how superlative these things are.
They are honestly worth $700 a pop. You aren't going to break them any time soon. Your hub flanges will shear before you do damage to them. I've had XC racers break multiple spokes in start-line crashes and race the entire races without the wheel even going out of true. We run Kings front and rear, and I am excited that I can swap my XC wheels out to my DS wheels fairly easily by changing to the 15mm through axle up front and funbolts in the rear. I've used road tubular rims to race 29'rs, etc etc.
These things are so good that they have completely re-defined what we expect a rim to do. They feel like riding a really good pair of skis or a snowboard, damping wise. They are so stiff laterally that the first few times you ride them you tend to highside through corners. They don't pinch flat in my experience- there is enough vertical deflection designed into them that the rim moves out of the way quickly enough to avoid the pinch. There are obviously going to be failures here and there of course, but I can't see your average cat1 racer killing the DH rim, when the AM rims have held up super well in testing.

Compared to how often a worldcup pro goes through standard race rims, the Edge stuff will pay will pay for itself in a season and a half for your average privateer, and the performance benefit is undeniably huge.

There are rumors that they have a 760mm bar in development. The other Edge bars we have, well, let's just say they alter the bike riding experience in a very noticeable, and very positive way. Damping is incredibly important, and the Edge stuff is beyond dialed in the feel and reliability department.
Our next product development programs here are focused on using Edge made tubing and molded parts to build the best possible frames.

It's the best stuff on the planet, and I trust my life with it every day. I've had impacts on my road bike that would cause catastrophic failures in even a steel fork that I've ridden out of with my Edge road forks.

As an added benefit, you aren't going to find another rim that is made in the USA. It's not about saving weight really, it's about increasing performance and reliability. The prospect oh having DH width Edge bars and all-mountain rims on my race bike this season has me excited about racing DH for the first time in 3 or 4 years. Sure, most of my experiences are qualitative, but for the nerds, there are significant quantitative test results that are so favorable that they appear at first glance to be wrong.

I wouldn't really suggest that anyone who is skeptical go out and buy some rims to see if they work well. Wait until you get a chance to see and ride them. Make sure you have a credit card handy.
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Yeah...having said that... They are still too expensive. I believe every word you say though.
 
gemini2k

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dante said:
Obviously square-edge impacts would be it's downfall, but if you can avoid those you're probably looking at something that is going to last a long, long time.
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Ya, never seen any of those pesky medium sized rocks with square edges on DH trails....:rolleyes:

I too could design a DH bike component that's exorbitantly expensive, lightweight and works perfectly and would last forever except for the fact that it'll fail on every single ride. Great job again MTB industry!

Aren't we done with this "race-only" garbage. Which time and time again has just been a euphemism for "rip off-only" and "under engineered-only"

/rant

I guess I probably shouldn't bash these things till I've seen them, but my engineer/physics degrees have given me unnatural powers of internet observation and speculation.
 
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The short sightedness of some people just astounds me.

You can't look at these rims as a realistic present day product. The cost of manufacturing is way too high to make them a choice for the everyday rider. EDGE is smart though, and sponsoring the Syndicate no doubt for he exposure, but also as the best test enviroment you could get. IF the rims can survive, they will prove them as at least a VIABLE product, and then work on the costs.

Far as I know, nobody else is really doing much for carbon rims these days, at least in mass production. EDGE has the potential to step in with something new and impressive.

Last time I checked, the same rumbling bull**** was said about e13s bashguards (WHY IS PLASTIC SO EXPENSIVE etc), and they certainly got everybody to STFU through actions. I'd like to see if EDGE can do the same.
 
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I'm stoked! They'll develop and test a DH specific rim. Mass exposure will lead to greater sales, which will lead to a price drop. By the 2012 season I'll be on light, stiff, carbon rims. Sweet.
 
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