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mondraker summum problem

loolilon

Chimp
May 23, 2009
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israel
Well I'm the only one that rides a summum in Israel and I wonder how many bikes exits out there?

The bike is amazing no doubt mine is with elka which is wow no other word
But one of the lower link bolts fell down during a run and believe it or not
There are no spare bolts!!! (Which they are very specific and come with an elliptic base that’s integrated to the frame)
At mondraker Spain they told me after I called them few time that they have to take the bolt out from another frame
So I wonder if it's just my bad luck or it’s a hardware symptom like the first Sunday models used to have
What do you think?
 

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bullcrew

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Probably just lack of blue loctite! Unless threads where stripped and the hole was marred Id consider it a simple thing and slap some BLCT in there and see.

Ive seen other pivot bolts come undone on a few different tried and true frames it happens.

Either way nice looking ride, report would be great with some action shots as well as close ups of the build!

Nice :thumb:

 

zdubyadubya

Turbo Monkey
Apr 13, 2008
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Ellicott City, MD
cesar rojo (major rider/designer for the summum) posts to here, you should send him a pm and see what he recommends. i saw your post over on mtbr and it really sucks that mondraker hasn't made extra hardware kits.

and when you are able to get a replacement bolt, def loctite that thing down.
 

davep

Turbo Monkey
Jan 7, 2005
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seattle
ALWAYS tear down and re-build (suspension, bearings, bolts, etc) a new bike before riding.....ALWAYS!!!!!

With a little inginuity, you can easily make something work. There is absolutely no reason for the offset oval washers/nut. Grab the right length and diameter high grade hex cap head and matching nyloc nut. Aluminum washers would be quick and easy to cut/file/grind to fit the oval recess in the frame. No one is going to have answers for you (other than Cesar) as no one has this frame yet.....

At least you can keep riding until Mondraker can get production finished and move on to spare parts....

Obviously it would be ideal if you could get factory parts, but this frame is VERY new, it is a completely new design, there are only a very few around, and it is the middle of the winter prior to the frames release. I would say that your situation is a given/expected based on this.
 

cableguy

Monkey
Jun 23, 2007
463
1
Southern California
cesar rojo (major rider/designer for the summum) posts to here, you should send him a pm and see what he recommends.
Caesar is hurt. I doubt that he is checking his PMs.

http://www.mondraker.com/10/eng/news/Cesar-Rojo-se-lesiona-durante-una-sesion-de-entrenamiento./37

14/01/2010 Cesar Rojo is injured during a training session.

Crash was on Tuesday at noon when Cesar was making intervals on the BMX Track. seems that in one of the big double jumps he not calculate well the distance and lose some stability that makes lose some control and felt down, a bad crash causing him to stop trying to avoid supporting his left hand on the ground. This led to produce the fracture of the radius by several parties to the wrist, a crack in the scaphoid and the loss of bone mass in some points of the wrist joint.

Cesar was aware at all times and it was himself who phoned for his transfer to hospital. He was subsequently operated on Corachan Clinic of Barcelona, where he successfully managed to reconstruct the wrist by placing several titanium plates and screws. According to the doctor who performed the surgery went quite well, Cesar will be a couple of days in hospital and will be cast for 15 days. Doctors expected that Cesar gets almost 100% mobility of the wrist.
 

Sandwich

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May 23, 2002
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Doesn't look like the junction is strong enough for the bolt alone...in other words, that aluminum spacer/filler looks pretty essential.

I'd keep trying till you get the spacer from mondraker, then sell the bitch quick! Aftermarket support is what makes a bike keep ticking...who cares if it looks pretty or has perfect geometry sitting in the corner
 

cesar_rojo

Monkey
Feb 29, 2008
175
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Well I'm the only one that rides a summum in Israel and I wonder how many bikes exits out there?

The bike is amazing no doubt mine is with elka which is wow no other word
But one of the lower link bolts fell down during a run and believe it or not
There are no spare bolts!!! (Which they are very specific and come with an elliptic base that’s integrated to the frame)
At mondraker Spain they told me after I called them few time that they have to take the bolt out from another frame
So I wonder if it's just my bad luck or it’s a hardware symptom like the first Sunday models used to have
What do you think?
Hi!

Just saw your problem, I have to say that first day riding is quite normal that some bolts come loose (motocross bikes, bicycles,...), so is important to give a check after first ride. We are trying to have loctite from factory on all frames in future but had some problems.

I know that you as customer don't need to care about tighting the bolts, but is good to get always a fast check, you never know. Sometimes the bold wasn't tight properly from factory, or any other things that can happen.

I rode in Whistler this summer for 20 days non stop, rain, dry, etc,.. Average of 15-20runs most of them full garbo ones. I am going to be really clear here and first day I had a few bolts come loose on first full garbo when got to bottom, but checked all after first run and then had no problems any more. I was only rechecking after day or two, just to make sure all is ok, but as I said, I was ridiing no loctite on it, so with loctite should be fine. Fabien, I and the team had no spares for any part of the bike and rode them since Crankworxs with no problems.

I am really sorry to hear that we had no spares for that, but if you give me your address I will take tomorrow two from my personal bike and send them to you.

Again I really want to apollogise for that, we are working on it, but the demand of the bikes has been more than what we expected, so we concentrated on get as much frames as possible and not any spares.

I hope you enjoy the bike once we sort this out and give us some confidence. Next time you have any other problem (that I don't think you will) we will solve it faster. Be sure that we will do as much as we can.

Sincerely sorry, I really know how hard is not to be able to ride your bike.
Cesar.
 

banrider

Monkey
Nov 24, 2004
304
12
that really speaks volumes about you...this is nice...and I hope you have a speedy recovery from your injuries!!
Hi!

Just saw your problem, I have to say that first day riding is quite normal that some bolts come loose (motocross bikes, bicycles,...), so is important to give a check after first ride. We are trying to have loctite from factory on all frames in future but had some problems.

I know that you as customer don't need to care about tighting the bolts, but is good to get always a fast check, you never know. Sometimes the bold wasn't tight properly from factory, or any other things that can happen.

I rode in Whistler this summer for 20 days non stop, rain, dry, etc,.. Average of 15-20runs most of them full garbo ones. I am going to be really clear here and first day I had a few bolts come loose on first full garbo when got to bottom, but checked all after first run and then had no problems any more. I was only rechecking after day or two, just to make sure all is ok, but as I said, I was ridiing no loctite on it, so with loctite should be fine. Fabien, I and the team had no spares for any part of the bike and rode them since Crankworxs with no problems.

I am really sorry to hear that we had no spares for that, but if you give me your address I will take tomorrow two from my personal bike and send them to you.

Again I really want to apollogise for that, we are working on it, but the demand of the bikes has been more than what we expected, so we concentrated on get as much frames as possible and not any spares.

I hope you enjoy the bike once we sort this out and give us some confidence. Next time you have any other problem (that I don't think you will) we will solve it faster. Be sure that we will do as much as we can.

Sincerely sorry, I really know how hard is not to be able to ride your bike.
Cesar.
 

cesar_rojo

Monkey
Feb 29, 2008
175
21
that really speaks volumes about you...this is nice...and I hope you have a speedy recovery from your injuries!!
Thanks, injury is going to take long time as broke the head of the radius in lots of pieces... I am now with recorvery, but looks is going to take minimum 3 to 4 month from now to start riding.
 

zdubyadubya

Turbo Monkey
Apr 13, 2008
1,273
96
Ellicott City, MD
gotta love it... dude, you just earned heaps of respect and +rep! if I could afford a mondraker, I would be ordering one just based off of this kind of customer service... wow :shocked: :thumb:

and Cesar, hope you get well soon! heal up man, sorry to hear about the wrist.

Hi!

Just saw your problem, I have to say that first day riding is quite normal that some bolts come loose (motocross bikes, bicycles,...), so is important to give a check after first ride. We are trying to have loctite from factory on all frames in future but had some problems.

I know that you as customer don't need to care about tighting the bolts, but is good to get always a fast check, you never know. Sometimes the bold wasn't tight properly from factory, or any other things that can happen.

I rode in Whistler this summer for 20 days non stop, rain, dry, etc,.. Average of 15-20runs most of them full garbo ones. I am going to be really clear here and first day I had a few bolts come loose on first full garbo when got to bottom, but checked all after first run and then had no problems any more. I was only rechecking after day or two, just to make sure all is ok, but as I said, I was ridiing no loctite on it, so with loctite should be fine. Fabien, I and the team had no spares for any part of the bike and rode them since Crankworxs with no problems.

I am really sorry to hear that we had no spares for that, but if you give me your address I will take tomorrow two from my personal bike and send them to you.

Again I really want to apollogise for that, we are working on it, but the demand of the bikes has been more than what we expected, so we concentrated on get as much frames as possible and not any spares.

I hope you enjoy the bike once we sort this out and give us some confidence. Next time you have any other problem (that I don't think you will) we will solve it faster. Be sure that we will do as much as we can.

Sincerely sorry, I really know how hard is not to be able to ride your bike.
Cesar.
 

davec113

Monkey
May 24, 2009
419
0
Thanks, injury is going to take long time as broke the head of the radius in lots of pieces... I am now with recorvery, but looks is going to take minimum 3 to 4 month from now to start riding.
Very nice for you to offer support for the OP.

I broke my distal radius into several pieces in the 1st week of July. I had 2 pins and a Ti plate. The pins came out after a few weeks, I may have the plate removed too, not sure yet. I was riding in about 12 weeks, 16-20 weeks until it wasn't sore and painful, and I still have some minor pain but got 95% range of motion back. Good luck on your recovery!
 

amnonis

Chimp
Feb 20, 2009
16
0
Cesar you're my man!
I wish you quick recovery and until you're back on your bike you have plenty of time to design new amazing bikes...
 

cesar_rojo

Monkey
Feb 29, 2008
175
21
Tal, this morning I spoke with Mondraker and told me that bolts were shiped last thursday urgent to the Israel rep, so you should get them early this week.

Sorry for this miss understanding, but if you get in touch with the rep he must be able to let you know the exact day of delivery.

Cheers!
Cesar.
 

cesar_rojo

Monkey
Feb 29, 2008
175
21
Very nice for you to offer support for the OP.

I broke my distal radius into several pieces in the 1st week of July. I had 2 pins and a Ti plate. The pins came out after a few weeks, I may have the plate removed too, not sure yet. I was riding in about 12 weeks, 16-20 weeks until it wasn't sore and painful, and I still have some minor pain but got 95% range of motion back. Good luck on your recovery!
Cesar you're my man!
I wish you quick recovery and until you're back on your bike you have plenty of time to design new amazing bikes...
Thanks!!!

Injuries are never good, my radius was really badly broken and got a plate plus 6-7 bolts on it. I started on recovery a week ago but things are going very slow, but hopefully I'll start riding in few months from now.
 

guiepinto

Chimp
Nov 17, 2009
49
0
Brazil
Thanks to this great forum and to one of the best bike engineers out there, the customer will now get what he needs...

I wonder how easy we could contact bike designers and engineers from Spz, SC and other big bike manufacturers.

Cesar, get well fast...

Loolilon, treat the bike well... Ride hard...
 

AngryBeaver

Chimp
Oct 4, 2009
44
0
Whistler Baby!
I am glad I have read this thread!
I am currently waiting for my Mondraker frame to arrive in the UK, and, as Cesar mentioned, the demand has been high so I'm playing the waiting game, which is a hard thing to do when waiting for a big bike for quite some time.
I was considering getting another frame, but, after reading Cesar's posts I think it is definitely worth waiting for!

Greg!
 

loolilon

Chimp
May 23, 2009
21
0
israel
Let me say here load and clear that this bike is by far one of the best bikes that I rode.
When you ride you can feel the design of the bike suspension and the reward path. Cornering is amazing landings are solid. You are glued to the ground.
And most important is that you feel the vibe of Fabian and you
So I really hope that you will improve because you produce a supper bike
Feel well (that’s the most important matter)
Fully respect for taking out your own bolts from your frame, give me Fabian handlebar and I will have a line of riders that will pay to touch it……
Again
Many thanks
tal
 

Fred.dh

Chimp
Feb 16, 2006
16
0
Brazil
Hi guys...

I was wondering.. do you guys know how much it will cost on shops??! In american dolllar?! The factory is in spain? maybe there will be more local dealers... more easier to find a frame to buy....
 

Rick205

Monkey
Jun 20, 2006
200
0
Fantastic customer service Cesar :thumb:

Your an asset to Mondraker - Im sure you guys will sort out spares for the bikes when you catch up with demand....

Heal quickly :)

Rick
 

leprechaun

Turbo Monkey
Apr 17, 2004
1,009
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SLC,Ut
I love those bikes!

Cesar, i broke by distal radial head into pieces too, in october, a plate and 9 screws, got the hardware out after 3 months, it's month 4 now and i am riding with a CTI brace, about 70%, keeping my wheels on the ground. I'm 35 though.

heal up!
 

davec113

Monkey
May 24, 2009
419
0
I'm 35 though.

heal up!
Same here... we still bounce back, it's just a slower rebound. :D

Did you get your plate out too? My pins came out quickly, but the surgeon says 9-12 months before they take the plate and screws out, if ever. He said my bone will grow back stronger if they take the plate out, but I'm not looking forward to another surgery. BTW, the pins sucked, they stuck out of my arm a bit and got irritated by the cast. When the surgeon removed them, he just held my arm down on a table and pulled them out with pliers. :eek:
 

leprechaun

Turbo Monkey
Apr 17, 2004
1,009
0
SLC,Ut
Did you get your plate out too? My pins came out quickly, but the surgeon says 9-12 months before they take the plate and screws out, if ever. He said my bone will grow back stronger if they take the plate out, but I'm not looking forward to another surgery. BTW, the pins sucked, they stuck out of my arm a bit and got irritated by the cast. When the surgeon removed them, he just held my arm down on a table and pulled them out with pliers. :eek:[/QUOTE]

I had 9 screws holding the plate on, and it was on the top of the bone due to the exploded nature of the radius. The surgeon said that they only go through the top 5% of the time, and the plate has to come out since it's right under the tendons and muscle. I could feel the tendons dragging every time i made a fist and it was constantly sore and irritated. 12 weeks later they pulled it all out. Felt better right away. The flexability or lack therof is my issue now. Hence the brace. Good times.
 
Mar 27, 2011
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Bad Wildbad, Germany
the 1st post was about loosing the bolts... i had actually problems with remooving the bolts because they were like glued together... I didn't recognized any loctite so far.
but thats not really a problem^^...

from riding aspects im totally blown away from this machine... the summum is really great
 

cesar_rojo

Monkey
Feb 29, 2008
175
21
Bradflyn has the patents? :confused:
No patents problem, but from what i've been talking with them demand of bikes is really high in europe and is hard to keep with this demand. Going to the states (doing it properly) means a big investent in time and money and they are going to wait probably two or more years still.
 

UiUiUiUi

Turbo Monkey
Feb 2, 2003
1,378
0
Berlin, Germany
No patents problem, but from what i've been talking with them demand of bikes is really high in europe and is hard to keep with this demand. Going to the states (doing it properly) means a big investent in time and money and they are going to wait probably two or more years still.

and your distributors in europe ****ed up more then a few times , sadly enough.
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,346
1,587
Warsaw :/
and your distributors in europe ****ed up more then a few times , sadly enough.
yup same here. They ordered less frames they they had preordered last year. Quite a few people resigned their summum orders because of that even though its the frame to have alongside new demo in here (which is strange considering the demo is 30% more expensive...)
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,346
1,587
Warsaw :/
Naah people dont go for pros here but if you advertise something enough they fall for sheer ad quantity. The most popular bikes of the season are always the most visible on pb/dirt page/local crap mag/local sites. Since people slowly stop bitching about prices here Poland is a marketing dream(well you you want to sell and not work much, not if you want to be a creative advertiser ;) )

but thats off topic. I really hope Mondraker will have the cash to develop their production to meet the demand. Id also love to see more non dh Mondrakers. That 170mmm mega bike is sick.
 

UiUiUiUi

Turbo Monkey
Feb 2, 2003
1,378
0
Berlin, Germany
dunno whether thats the reason it will help to sell the used demos at the end of the year so maybe that helps to justify the price of the demo...

anyways

it the same story all the time. great product, bad distributor = **** up and smaller sales figures...

ridiculous :(
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,346
1,587
Warsaw :/
I doubt you will get high prices for the demos after a season. There are just too many off them. The supply of used ones will be big and they will lose prices like the m6s.
 

-C-

Monkey
May 27, 2007
296
10
the 1st post was about loosing the bolts... i had actually problems with remooving the bolts because they were like glued together... I didn't recognized any loctite so far.
but thats not really a problem^^...

from riding aspects im totally blown away from this machine... the summum is really great
You must have one of the early frames - the UK distributor told me that some of the early bikes were assembled with the wrong type of loctite on the threads, making them impossible to remove without stripping the heads.

Speak to your distributor, as I understood it, they were re-issuing owners with a steel bolt kit (to replace the alloy) due to the above issue and durability problems.
 

cesar_rojo

Monkey
Feb 29, 2008
175
21
and your distributors in europe ****ed up more then a few times , sadly enough.
Have no idea, we just design some bikes for them. I have and independent studio from Mondraker. But they are trying their best as their goal is sell bikes, I'm sure of that :)
 

cesar_rojo

Monkey
Feb 29, 2008
175
21
i wasn't referring to you personally, but to the company mondraker and the associated distributor :)
I know, just was telling that i really don't know much about the insiders of the company regarding distribution and those things... :)

Cheers mate!