Specialized SX Chunder on 08 SX Trail I

From the info given it sounds like you sold him SX casings. At 1100g they have to be. I dont think the SX Chunders were eve wire bead. I don't know when they labeled the SX casings on the tire but those would not say SX on them. The new tires have the "SX" label where those are labeled "specializeed pro". Tell they guy to look at the red and silver label. It should say 60 tpi +aramid bead + cap ply+ dual compound 50&45.

wanabe said:

From the info given it sounds like you sold him SX casings. At 1100g they have to be. I dont think the SX Chunders were eve wire bead. I don't know when they labeled the SX casings on the tire but those would not say SX on them. The new tires have the "SX" label where those are labeled "specializeed pro". Tell they guy to look at the red and silver label. It should say 60 tpi +aramid bead + cap ply+ dual compound 50&45.

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Correct. The tires are SX casing. Right after the year of your SX, spesch changed up the labels on their tires. that might be what the guy is looking at now.... but at 1100g, it is in no way the DH casing. I run DH chunders and they are much heavier, plus the DH casing IS NOT a folding bead.

I don't think the SX casings were available on 2008 bikes. Those clearly say they are the Pro version.

The guy has had them a month and now wants a refund

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No.

If he mounted and used them before evaluating his purchase, then I wouldn't offer a refund.

IIRC the SX Casing is a newer thing, and the Pro tires beforehand were a harder durometer with a different sidewall. I think that you sent him the wrong tires (not 100% positive though), although if you supplied pictures then it wouldn't really constitute a refund.

Bicyclist said:

IIRC the SX Casing is a newer thing, and the Pro tires beforehand were a harder durometer with a different sidewall. I think that you sent him the wrong tires (not 100% positive though), although if you supplied pictures then it wouldn't really constitute a refund.

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I would say he sent him the right tires, since he only had one pair to send

He may however have not provided accurate information, but if pix of labels were included in transaction then buyer has little recourse.

IMO if dude had said straight away that they weren't what he was expecting then yes, refund, but if they have been mounted and ridden for a month (and maybe buddy didn't like them after trying them) I recon no refund.

Those on the bike are indeed NOT an sx version..... To be an SX they are missing two things.
First, The dual compound
Second, the 2bliss bead compound

DirtyMike said:

Those on the bike are indeed NOT an sx version..... To be an SX they are missing two things.
First, The dual compound
Second, the 2bliss bead compound

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Spec doesn't list either the Chunder or Clutch SX as being 2Bliss.

Those tires in the pic are dual compound. In the top pic, the red and silver label on the bottom side of the tire you can see the big red D. That actually reads dual but the lettering after that is too small to read. The only diff between those and the SX casing might be the compounds. The description on their website is the same as the sx except it reads "soft compound" and doesn't give the exact duros. There was a 60a version but it clearly says on there web site "soft dual compound". What ever Spec rep you were talking to is misinformed. I should have said in my original post that there was no "SX" then but it has the same description. If it is not the SX it should be damn close. Not enough difference to justify returning money after a month.

Doug, There is no PRO casing. Thank you for your charming input as always.

Nagaredama said:

Spec doesn't list either the Chunder or Clutch SX as being 2Bliss.

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True.

Nagaredama said:

Spec doesn't list either the Chunder or Clutch SX as being 2Bliss.

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Thats funny, because the one on my bike says 2bliss right on it, so do the ones we have in stock

Wonder if they did a change for 2010 to the line up, very possible

EDIT... checked the site myself, it doesnt list it as 2bliss, so I am assuming they are no longer for the sx to be 2bliss, I did however go look at mine, they are the sx, and it does have the 2bliss labell in the embossed tire markings.
Ill check with or rep next tiem I actually see him what other changes have been made. I did also notice the Clutch is now available in the SX with a 2.5 as well which is also new. I need a new front tire anyways.... Probably get teh lcutch for the front this time instead of Chunders front and rear

DirtyMike said:

Thats funny, because the one on my bike says 2bliss right on it, so do the ones we have in stock

Wonder if they did a change for 2010 to the line up, very possible

EDIT... checked the site myself, it doesnt list it as 2bliss, so I am assuming they are no longer for the sx to be 2bliss, I did however go look at mine, they are the sx, and it does have the 2bliss labell in the embossed tire markings.
Ill check with or rep next tiem I actually see him what other changes have been made. I did also notice the Clutch is now available in the SX with a 2.5 as well which is also new. I need a new front tire anyways.... Probably get teh lcutch for the front this time instead of Chunders front and rear

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Im running a 2.3 Clutch/Chunder combo and like it alot. I didnt even notice the new 2.5 version. That sounds like a wiener to me.

The guy who bought them shouldn't complain a month later for getting the wrong tires, it's not your business what tire they are anymore and you did everything you could to provide accurate info.

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muddy beast said:

The guy who bought them shouldn't complain a month later for getting the wrong tires, it's not your business what tire they are anymore and you did everything you could to provide accurate info.

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Your still here?

You know, if it is just to make him happy, maybe offer him a partial refund, but like others, he has had them for some time, mounted, ridden, and used the tires...... No way do you take them back

Wish I would have seen them when you had them up, I could have used them.

DirtyMike said:

Your still here?

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I took a year break from bikes...but since I work at a bike shop, it was only a matter of time till I got a bike again. So yes, I'm back.

~Scott

in my defense, i didn't got a chance to get them on a scale for a while after receiving them. sorry, i have a life outside of bikes. also i didn't know there was an expiration on returns. this was never made clear (sarcasm intended). i could see three months or what have you but most legitimate stores take things back for at least a month so i would think our "under the radar" market would have some flexibility built into it.
the problem with the tires for me is that they are basically a DH tire with a somewhat flexible bead. it has nothing to do with compound types. they weigh almost 1200 grams. what i thought i was getting was the SX version which weighs under 1000 grams in 2.3 diameter. you, kanter, stated in your ad that they were SX but there is nothing on them to indicate this. (and you will get a picture to prove this today)
so thanks to everyone for their expert opinions on the matter but you do not really know whats going on.............

scotteric said:

in my defense, i didn't got a chance to get them on a scale for a while after receiving them. sorry, i have a life outside of bikes. also i didn't know there was an expiration on returns. this was never made clear (sarcasm intended). i could see three months or what have you but most legitimate stores take things back for at least a month so i would think our "under the radar" market would have some flexibility built into it.
the problem with the tires for me is that they are basically a DH tire with a somewhat flexible bead. it has nothing to do with compound types. they weigh almost 1200 grams. what i thought i was getting was the SX version which weighs under 1000 grams in 2.3 diameter. you, kanter, stated in your ad that they were SX but there is nothing on them to indicate this. (and you will get a picture to prove this today)
so thanks to everyone for their expert opinions on the matter but you do not really know whats going on.............

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The 2010 in a 2.3 weighs right at 1000g (advertised) I have not weighed mine yet. Lasts years SX casing was about 1150g. The DH casing is over 1300g. Apparently YOU don't know what is going on. You have the same thing as an SX in your possession. Ride them and deal. You'll love em. I ran those tires then and I run SX casings now. Its the same damn thing. You will not be able to tell the diff between the two. If it was up to me I woulndn't give your money back based on you come off as a D!ck. Stop pouting, Im sure you got a good deal on them.

scotteric said:

in my defense, i didn't got a chance to get them on a scale for a while after receiving them. sorry, i have a life outside of bikes. also i didn't know there was an expiration on returns. this was never made clear (sarcasm intended). i could see three months or what have you but most legitimate stores take things back for at least a month so i would think our "under the radar" market would have some flexibility built into it.
the problem with the tires for me is that they are basically a DH tire with a somewhat flexible bead. it has nothing to do with compound types. they weigh almost 1200 grams. what i thought i was getting was the SX version which weighs under 1000 grams in 2.3 diameter. you, kanter, stated in your ad that they were SX but there is nothing on them to indicate this. (and you will get a picture to prove this today)
so thanks to everyone for their expert opinions on the matter but you do not really know whats going on.............

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Hey got your PM, cant repson for either you have PM's turned off, dont have permission to receive pm's, or your on a vacation from the monkey.

hi. i am the guy who bought the tires and does not want them. i will gladly sell them toyou for $50 including shipping. they are in excellent shape, 98% tread left. i only mounted one on the rear and rode it once. i was thinking they were the new sx version which is a freeride specific tire, single wall but closer to a DH tire and weighing under 1000 grams. what they are though is a DH tire with an somehwat foldable bead and closer to1200 grams. anyhow let me know........

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I appreicaite the offer, but alas, I already have a new set of tires, Chunder/Clutch combo.

Also hate to burst your bubble, but those are def NOT the DH casing. I have a DH casing chunder sitting here in my garage, the bead on teh DH is absolutly NOT foldable, and the compound is one durometer. its also ALOT more than 1200 grams, its around 1400 to 1450.


BUT, take solice in the knowing that ANY Manf tire can have quite a variance in weight, sometimes upwards of 200 grams plus or minus whats advertized.

What you have in your hand < checked with our speccy rep> Is the first version of the sx chunder to come out, originally as the OEM tire for that bike. Was later labelled and sold seperate as the SX tire. Yes, the year which the tires in the first pic are also a little different in the durometer, again.... OEM tire there.

The SX tire is also not a FR specific tire either, it works for it, it also works for DH, depending on were your at. But I def wouldnt list it as freeride specific... Agressive AM... Maybe


For the record, I do run teh SX tires for DH.... seems the only damn tire I can get to last here in socal, and they are predictable as well.

Its a good choice for a tire, I gotta say, Kanters offer is a pretty good one. EVEN at our shop, you would only be able to return the tire that was not mounted..... Once you mount it up... Its yours, dont know of any shops that do different on that note, if its still packaged sure Ill take it back...... But if its been mounted and ridden........ Not a chance

For the record........ Here is the marking youll find on an SX chunder.... new ones have more, but this is what yoru looking for with the year those tires were released

scotteric said:

in my defense, i didn't got a chance to get them on a scale for a while after receiving them. sorry, i have a life outside of bikes. also i didn't know there was an expiration on returns. this was never made clear (sarcasm intended). i could see three months or what have you but most legitimate stores take things back for at least a month so i would think our "under the radar" market would have some flexibility built into it.
the problem with the tires for me is that they are basically a DH tire with a somewhat flexible bead. it has nothing to do with compound types. they weigh almost 1200 grams. what i thought i was getting was the SX version which weighs under 1000 grams in 2.3 diameter. you, kanter, stated in your ad that they were SX but there is nothing on them to indicate this. (and you will get a picture to prove this today)
so thanks to everyone for their expert opinions on the matter but you do not really know whats going on.............

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I work at a shop, ride an SX Trail, and ride the SX chunders, I'd be more then happy to pull the tires off and provide a second opinion...after all, I'm a rock skip away from you and ride my bike in Seattle every week.


~Scott