What are the steps to getting a downhill trail built in your neighborhood, live in kirkland, on a huge hill with a ton of woods around it. ther are many prime spots that a DH trail could be built on. Rather than trying to build an illegal trail and getting it torn down and getting a ticket, i would like to start filling out some petitions and contacting the correct people. But i have no idea who that would be, anyone got any ideas?
Getting a Downhill trail built
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Who owns the land? Public or private?
EB
EB
public land
finn hill, and also my old boss lives on a giant hill between here and woodinville, i don't know the name of it
Am I remembering wrong.... wasn't there a few trails there that got shut down about 6 years ago (or so..)?
maybe....anything me and my friends build that is anything close to a DH trail gets torn down. thats why i wanna start the process of getting some legal trails built. We need a place to ride to, not just the yuppy hardtail crowd
We do have places to ride.. Have you been to duthie or collonade?!
Look: The process to legalize a dh/fr trail(s) is pretty arduous and time consuming, especially if you're dealing with kirkland haha. Helping to complete projects that are already in the process (duthie) would be much more beneficial to you and the community. Building on public land like you are now will just be a futile effort and I'm gonna go ahead and infer that you lack those building skills anyways.. Sorry to shoot you down but thats just the reality.
-Ryan
Look: The process to legalize a dh/fr trail(s) is pretty arduous and time consuming, especially if you're dealing with kirkland haha. Helping to complete projects that are already in the process (duthie) would be much more beneficial to you and the community. Building on public land like you are now will just be a futile effort and I'm gonna go ahead and infer that you lack those building skills anyways.. Sorry to shoot you down but thats just the reality.
-Ryan
i know it's a long process.....hence why i am trying to get the ball rolling. duthie and collonade are more than 30 min drive away, i would like a place to ride near my house...and there is alot of land to do so. no i don't have the building skills but i do have patience and i want to start some of the process to get it going.
Legit downhill trails are a going to take some time, but Evergreen has worked with King County/Big Finn management in the past to enhance riding opportunities in the park.
If you are interested in getting involved with local advocacy and/or legal building in this area, send me a message off list.
Thanks
Scott
scott_edison@hotmail.com
If you are interested in getting involved with local advocacy and/or legal building in this area, send me a message off list.
Thanks
Scott
scott_edison@hotmail.com
He wants legal dh, not more dirt jumps... And while duthie and collonade are great, they are not dh.
If YOU yourself have "building skills", how did you get them? Were you born with them? This guy is smart enough to try and build legal, I'm sure he can figure it out. Even if he doesn't have "skills" yet (which is a big assumption), there are plenty of people, classes, and online help to learn from.
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VERY thick skin for taking the barrage of "No's"...
Some building skills so you can show you know what to do.
And, most of all, patience. Because it very likely won't happen for years....
My guess is that if it's such a prime spto, some one would have taken it on in the past decade or so. But, they probably ran into a lot of red tape, meetings, neighbors who don't want "their" woods torn up by some kids, etc.
Start the process, see what you will learn. But, don't expect anything tomorrow and realize if the locals who don't want a trail in there are more powerful than you, you just gotta let it go and drive 30 minutes...
Some building skills so you can show you know what to do.
And, most of all, patience. Because it very likely won't happen for years....
My guess is that if it's such a prime spto, some one would have taken it on in the past decade or so. But, they probably ran into a lot of red tape, meetings, neighbors who don't want "their" woods torn up by some kids, etc.
Start the process, see what you will learn. But, don't expect anything tomorrow and realize if the locals who don't want a trail in there are more powerful than you, you just gotta let it go and drive 30 minutes...
They also are not really dirt jumps.... just sayin...
thanks guys...i know it's gonna be tough but why not try
The skills parks are being on relatively small chunks of land, and both don't have much elevation change.
Colonnade well i think you all know how small that area is, and how much crap we crammed into such a small space.
Same thing really for Duthie. i think they had a great simple idea on where to put all the trails and how to route them as they did. Alot of those ideas were to maximize the trails in such a small space. All the Freeride Trails were placed in the best possible spot of continuous vertical. The way the terrain was there really weren't that many spots.
i know for a fact that people in Evergreen are looking at getting a mountain. Whether we get one is a whole other issue. Galbraith/North Shore deal. Will it happen? Time will tell, but i think it's alot more feasible than if you asked ANYBODY 5 years ago.
So what i'm saying is that if Duthie had HAD the terrain for a steep gnarl trail, believe me someone would have put one in.
Plus there is no rock at Duthie, which make building easier, but you can make a fall line trail with existing rock or using what's there for chutes, drops etc.
And i'm NOT questioning anyone build skills but i can say that wherever you are, you can always learn something new or maybe even teach something.
i'm not going to talk anyone out of doing anything the want to do, but i know whenever you take on any project it takes alot of time/work/effort. i consider my time an investment, at this point in MY life i'll throw dice in places where the odds are a sure thing or better. But i totally respect anyone trying to do the right thing, and i wish you all the luck, and hopefully we can eat crow and help support a new DH trail at Big Finn.
Colonnade well i think you all know how small that area is, and how much crap we crammed into such a small space.
Same thing really for Duthie. i think they had a great simple idea on where to put all the trails and how to route them as they did. Alot of those ideas were to maximize the trails in such a small space. All the Freeride Trails were placed in the best possible spot of continuous vertical. The way the terrain was there really weren't that many spots.
i know for a fact that people in Evergreen are looking at getting a mountain. Whether we get one is a whole other issue. Galbraith/North Shore deal. Will it happen? Time will tell, but i think it's alot more feasible than if you asked ANYBODY 5 years ago.
So what i'm saying is that if Duthie had HAD the terrain for a steep gnarl trail, believe me someone would have put one in.
Plus there is no rock at Duthie, which make building easier, but you can make a fall line trail with existing rock or using what's there for chutes, drops etc.
No better way than to go out and build, no better way to learn in a place where they're building "sustainable".If YOU yourself have "building skills", how did you get them? Were you born with them? This guy is smart enough to try and build legal, I'm sure he can figure it out. Even if he doesn't have "skills" yet (which is a big assumption), there are plenty of people, classes, and online help to learn from.
And i'm NOT questioning anyone build skills but i can say that wherever you are, you can always learn something new or maybe even teach something.
i'm not going to talk anyone out of doing anything the want to do, but i know whenever you take on any project it takes alot of time/work/effort. i consider my time an investment, at this point in MY life i'll throw dice in places where the odds are a sure thing or better. But i totally respect anyone trying to do the right thing, and i wish you all the luck, and hopefully we can eat crow and help support a new DH trail at Big Finn.
Take it as it comes...but, you can't bare the arduous 30 minute drive to ride? Get it together already. I drive from PDX to all over this state to ride some of the best trails this part of the country has to offer. Even when I lived in an area that trails were out my back door, I'd still have to put in some serious pedal time to get to where I could hitch hike up the pass to get some good DH or freeride in. The only time I've been able to pedal out my door was for XC and that meant I lived in B.F.E to do so. I'd recommend going up to Whistler right now, start building a hut of some sort so you can leave your front door...or hatch to be on a trail this summer.
On the flip side..try, try, try until you succeed. I had been in talks with Hillsboro and it's bureaucracy for about 3 months trying to get a very simple freeride training area and jump park put in, I finally exhaled. Get in correspondence with IMBA or BRMBA. WTF.org just received word that OPRD accepted their trail plan to move forward on a freeride area at LL Stub Stewart State Park, so they might be able to offer some advice. There's a lot of info on the web, just keep doing research...or drive that unbelievable 30 whole minute from the depths of hell commute to ride. Good Luck!
On the flip side..try, try, try until you succeed. I had been in talks with Hillsboro and it's bureaucracy for about 3 months trying to get a very simple freeride training area and jump park put in, I finally exhaled. Get in correspondence with IMBA or BRMBA. WTF.org just received word that OPRD accepted their trail plan to move forward on a freeride area at LL Stub Stewart State Park, so they might be able to offer some advice. There's a lot of info on the web, just keep doing research...or drive that unbelievable 30 whole minute from the depths of hell commute to ride. Good Luck!