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Dirtjumper999

Turbo Monkey
Feb 13, 2005
1,556
0
Charlotte, NC
So a few coworkers and I have been under a lot of stress about trying to figure out how to deal with some sketchy behavior at the shop we work at. Frankly, I would like the advice of some of the other, more experienced shop monkeys.

Warning, this might get a bit lengthy, but I could use some advice.

So I have been working at this shop for about a year and a half. This other guy, Tim, began work there same time I did. I had a lot of prior experience as a bike mechanic. This Tim had about a half of a year of bike building experience, not a big deal, people learn as they go. The shop manager (not owner, its a chain), informed me that it was company policy that they start all mechanics out as bike builders when hired, and then promote them to full Bike Tech (as well as a substantial increase in pay) after a few months, while they learn company procedures. Again, understandable, so I had no problem with this. So I went on for several months with the managers praising my work ethic, saying they are thrilled to have such an enthusiastic worker. When I am in there on my days off, working on my own bike, or meeting before a ride, I would step in and help them if they needed things done in a hurry. No pay expected, just helping as I was raised to do. I noticed that everyone seemed so surprised when I would do things like this, but I paid it no mind.

Towards about 6 months I was getting a bit impatient, they had me doing repairs and building bikes, but I was still being paid the low wage of bike builder. Mind you, I am not a spiteful or jealous person at all. But I could not help but notice that when Tim came in, he didn't really do anything. He would do a repair every now and again, and he'd chat with the managers, the rest of the time. His repairs were always done half-assed, but the service manager didn't really seem to mind for some reason. So I decided that I must not have been showing my worth quite as well as I should have if they haven't noticed that it is passed the time they had promised to change my title. I decided to ask one of the managers to allow me to hold repair clinics to customers who wanted to learn how to work on their bikes. They allowed me to, and the clinics became very popular. I would teach the students in the clinics everything from flat changes, to gear adjustments, wheel truing, even touched on suspension overhaul. Customers would write letters to corporate saying how much they enjoyed the clinics. I enjoyed them too, I love teaching people. The clinics were also giving tons of business to the shop, often an extra 2k in sales after the clinics, people buying tools, stands, etc. I had asked if they thought I was teaching the customers too much, and they said no, keep up what you are doing.

I was so happy with being able to teach a class about bikes, I hadn't really given the promotion part a thought for a few months after. Suddenly, I saw a severe drop in my hours, and a severe spike in Tim's hours on the schedule. And this is where it all started to boil in my mind. I started watching what he was doing while I was working. Nearly all of his time at work was spent chatting with the managers, even during our busiest times. He rode with them all of the time. He seemed like he was kissing so much ass, his lips might turn brown. I wanted to stop working as hard as I do, but I decided that would be an insult to me. Tim started racing xc for the team, and thats when it all started to get a bit shady. Suddenly Tim had a Custom Titanium xc hardtail, SRAM XX, the works. Total cost had to have been around 6k. The managers began blatantly showing favoritism to all of the racers who worked there, and even those who didn't. I thought that I must be crazy to think the managers only liked the racers, even though they began to completely neglect all of those who did not race. So I raced a couple XC races, and made it seem as though it was something I would love to pursue, and I was showered with praise for it.

After some thought, I asked the managers if I could do some outreach pertaining to my clinics. Email sign up, making pamphlets for the students to take, all of which I was willing to take full responsibility for, and willing to pay for all expenses. (I never got paid to teach the clinics, it was on my own time). They stopped me dead in my tracks and said that they were too busy to help me deal with managing my clinics, and that I should give them a rest during the spring time. Confused, I listened to them and thought nothing of it. I didn't want to make a scene and have them cancel the clinics. Spring went by, and we got a couple of slow weeks, so I decided to ask about the clinics again. I was answered with "we decided it was best that we not hold the clinics anymore, they didn't get enough interest". I felt crushed, and asked if they had not seen all of the people who came to them. They shoo'd me back to the service department. Ever since then, the favoritism has been getting more and more obvious. Tim is being trained for a manager position, more free gear. Our service manager sat down with each of us separately for an evaluation, and he told me he loved my enthusiasm for biking, and that he thought my work ethic far exceeded his expectations. He asked if there is anything I wanted to take ownership over, and become more involved in. And I expressed that I wanted the opportunity to revive my clinics, since their termination had obviously been made under false pretenses. He looked surprised at me and answered that "Tim had been holding them, I thought you knew about that? Didn't you say you weren't going to hold them anymore?"

I really felt just horrible about the whole thing, and it turned from frustration to pure anger with the entire shop. It seems all of the people who work hard there and do their job well, are being forced downward, while the people who kiss ass and do nothing get hurried to the top. I've been on the edge of my comfort zone every time I am in that shop now, I want to scream at the managers for being so dishonest. I don't want to quit, jobs are scarce here and school needs paid for. There are more details in this whole thing, but most center around this distasteful behavior, and if you have read this far, you shouldn't have to read anymore. Thank you for any advice in advanced, this has all gotten me very frustrated and stressed.

Sorry for the long rant :(
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
7,843
114
Japan
It sounds like a sucky situation. Start looking around for a new job but most importantly maintain your integrity and don't get sucked into their bs. Best way to not be a victim of the game is not to play it. When you find a new job tell the manager exactly why you are leaving. Best of luck mate.
 

H8R

Cranky Pants
Nov 10, 2004
13,959
35
Take that post, paste it into a letter, send it to everyone and anyone at corporate, then move on.
 

Straya

Monkey
Jul 11, 2008
863
3
Straya
Move on mate, find somewhere that will appreciate you.

Note however that being the nicest, most hardworking person doesn't always get you ahead. I'm not saying you need to turn into Gordon Gecko but don't be afraid to assert yourself in future.

And don't burn your bridges with the current shop.
 

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
11,580
2,006
Seattle
Couple thoughts:

1. There are two sides to every story
2. If you're even close to right, that's why I'd rather work for the little guy.
3. There is a point at which you need to stick up for yourself. There is a line to walk between being "that whiney coworker" and a reasonable observer, but it sounds like you've crossed it.
4. You're young. It won't be the end of the world if you lose this job. It's your call if the cash flow is worth the **** you're taking. Please observe that you're probably not getting paid that well, and are likely to be able to do at least nearly as well elsewhere.
5. I'm drunk. Take this with that grain of salt.
 

bohorec

Monkey
Jun 26, 2007
327
0
Your case is classic example of Dilbert Principle :D

However it's common that incompetent a$$kissing people get promoted, you'll find that everywhere, regardless of your education/ type of work/ownership of company. The situation is easy to understand, since people like to be flattered and it's hard to recognize a hypocrite. Sometimes people in charge are afraid of competition and are deliberately oppressing competent people. However your opinion wont matter and they would probably mark you as a conflict person.

Just find new job and quit.
 

sanjuro

Tube Smuggler
Sep 13, 2004
17,373
0
SF
Couple thoughts:

1. There are two sides to every story
2. If you're even close to right, that's why I'd rather work for the little guy.
3. There is a point at which you need to stick up for yourself. There is a line to walk between being "that whiney coworker" and a reasonable observer, but it sounds like you've crossed it.
4. You're young. It won't be the end of the world if you lose this job. It's your call if the cash flow is worth the **** you're taking. Please observe that you're probably not getting paid that well, and are likely to be able to do at least nearly as well elsewhere.
5. I'm drunk. Take this with that grain of salt.
What I think HAB is hinting at is that the way you tell this story, you've done a great job, Tim a so/so job, and because of things like he races, he is getting more and you are getting less.

I reminded myself of when I was 18 and I thought another guy was getting opportunities that I should have been getting. But while I still think the guy wasn't that great, I could have been a lot better.

He might have had some chances I deserved, but I know now that my work needed a lot of improvement.

I think you need to focus on your own work, and when it is so good, that people depend on you to get the job done, then you can call your own shots.
 

SDH Racing

Monkey
Apr 5, 2006
341
0
NE
I've had my fair share of "so so" shops. While continuing to work there, start looking at other shops/opportunities then when you have something set in stone, you're good. Then do what H8R said and take what you wrote here, perhaps modify it a bit send all management a copy and chalk it up as a learning experience and move on.
It's always best to go where you're celebrated NOT "tolerated".
 

Dirtjumper999

Turbo Monkey
Feb 13, 2005
1,556
0
Charlotte, NC
Thanks guys, I like the idea of sending the whole thing to corporate. I have been on the search for a new job, but I am also in the midst of trying to immigrate to Canada, which I am not sure how long that will take. So I didn't want to get a new job just to have it for half of a year or something.

Why would people oppress competent people? I thought the entire idea of managers giving promotions was to find the people who could manage? Now granted, I have no skills to be a manager, but my skills as a mechanic are easy enough to see.
 

binary visions

The voice of reason
Jun 13, 2002
22,098
1,144
NC
Why would people oppress competent people? I thought the entire idea of managers giving promotions was to find the people who could manage? Now granted, I have no skills to be a manager, but my skills as a mechanic are easy enough to see.
It's the sad, sad state of the world that competent people are often ignored, and the incompetent are praised and rewarded. Unfortunately, it'll be something you will experience over and over again.

Making noise is a part of it. The quietly competent people will go passed over because things just disappear when they're given to them. It's a little bit of an art to draw attention to your skills but avoid looking like a braggart or overbearing.

Networking with the people who make these decisions is another part. Some of it is stupidity, and some of it is human nature to lean towards rewarding and supporting the people we like and interact with a lot. The smart, good managers will recognize the difference between rewarding someone they like, and rewarding a good worker, but I've found that smart, good managers are fewer and further between than I ever would have expected...

In your situation, it sounds like you're just working for (and maybe with) some douchebags. Some of the two previous suggestions would help but on the surface (just from this story) it appears that they're simply playing favorites. You had clear ownership over a project that was getting praised and they handed it to someone else without asking. That sucks. The question is, though, who was the person evaluating you (that is, a manager? A supervisor? Someone who had the power to make decisions?) and what did you say when they informed you that your coworker had taken over because they thought you didn't want to? Did you vehemently deny walking away from it? Did you state your case? Did you walk that line between getting mad enough to get fired, but getting mad enough to show that you wanted this project?
 

blackohio

Generous jaywalker
Mar 12, 2009
2,773
122
Hellafornia. Formerly stumptown.
I worked for a company for nine years and when they hired some asshole named Robert Wilson and started playing favorites, I realized that MagnaFlow and its ownership were a bunch of ****ing clowns. I decided that I was going to force my way out (only because the company never fired anyone and always gave generous severance packages - mostly because they never laid anyone off for valid reasons, mostly due to nepotism). I made my displeasure known at every moment. Often with harsh language, and a generally bad attitude.

One Monday I walked out with about a $14,000 check. **** them.

Do what you want to do for people that appreciate your hardwork. Life's too ****ing short to be spent proving to people that dont deserve it that your worth a damn. We all spent to much time working to not be around people that understand the worth of their company is directly related to the measure of their employees.

If they jerk you around, move the **** on.
 

ire

Turbo Monkey
Aug 6, 2007
6,196
4
It's not as much about a** kissing as it is relationship building. As pointed out, we only have your side of the story. Getting ahead is as much about who you know as what you know. I've only heard your side of the story, but maybe management values Tim's soft skills higher than your tech skills.
 

Sonic Reducer

Monkey
Mar 19, 2006
500
0
seattle worshington
that bit with tim taking over your clinics is over the top. sounds like something out of a comedy movie. i woulda lost it right then and there.
maybe you should have put your name on the clinic. if the managers arent good enough managers to promote people based on work ethic and enthusiasm, then maybe they would understand shameless self promotion.
ever tried telling your least douchy manager point blank what you think of the situation?
 

4xBoy

Turbo Monkey
Jun 20, 2006
7,042
2,884
Minneapolis
It's not as much about a** kissing as it is relationship building. As pointed out, we only have your side of the story. Getting ahead is as much about who you know as what you know. I've only heard your side of the story, but maybe management values Tim's soft skills higher than your tech skills.
His soft skills are in ball handling by the sound of it.

Promoting incompetent people is a craft in the U.S. some companies have promoted mechanics just so they don't keep braking things.

Most bike shop managers are not brilliant cooperate geniuses, they ass kissed their way up and look for others that will do the same.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
21,596
7,245
Colorado
Like BV says, a lot of times the good people get overlooked. I used to be relatively quite, and just put my head down and work kind of guy. After getting taken advantage of a few times, I finally said f* it and stopped caring about what other people wanted and putting myself first. I walked out on a few shops when the owner was dicking me around only to get the call with a raise offer a week later when they realized that they could not finish the work load that they had because of how much I did.
It happened at both American Express and Morgan Stanley, in which the teams I worked for had to hire two people to replace me at substantially more cost than just giving me the $20k and $35k additional I had asked for.
Just remember going forward that there are people out there who do look for and respect an individual's talents, they just generally aren't in corporate America.

Do what's best for you, and don't look backwards. Every job is experience for you next, and everybody you meet is a potential employer tomorrow. Just keep moving forward.
 

Sandwich

Pig my fish!
Staff member
May 23, 2002
21,061
5,970
borcester rhymes
I was going to add some advice, but it's all been said. Sucky situation, sucky managers, time to leave or make noise to get it fixed.

I can imagine few worse things than a bike shop run by incompetent corporate jerks. I've worked in a few "corporate" biotechs and it's always complete aholes that run the show and have no idea what they're doing. It sucks, so leave. You MAY have to take a job outside the bike world....is working with bikes worth people ****ting on you?
 

jdcamb

Tool Time!
Feb 17, 2002
19,830
8,420
Nowhere Man!
It's the other way from Canada, but Texas is nearly Mexico if you want to come work for me. I'd kill to have someone teach clinics besides myself. I'd also killed for qualified help.
Hrmm, your in Austin... Can you send me a pic of your sister? Can I pitch a tent in your yard? How important is hygiene in your shop?
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
40,575
9,586
you just may have to sleep with your manager.
 
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loco-gringo

Crusading Clamp Monkey
Sep 27, 2006
8,887
14
Deep in the heart of TEXAS
Hrmm, your in Austin... Can you send me a pic of your sister? Can I pitch a tent in your yard? How important is hygiene in your shop?
No sister, but I have a gay brother. He's in FL though. My yard is plenty big. I don't care if you stink, but you can't cook haddock stew in the shop. 60 miles north of Austin, btw.
 

Droptopchevy

Monkey
Jan 1, 2009
146
0
Morrisville, PA
"If you don't like your job, you don't quit, you just do it really half assed. It's the American way."

Working at a shop that doesn't pay commission sucks. I have been working at a shop for 2 years and earn a ****ty wage with no opportunity of improvement. Trust me I have been looking for better jobs for a while. Get out of that shop whenever you can.
 

Leethal

Turbo Monkey
Oct 27, 2001
1,240
0
Avondale (Phoenix)
Lesson to be learned, hard work and head down equals missed opportunity.

You got beat, TIM had his eyes open and made himself more important to your bosses. Did you even want to go into sales like him or are you just jealous?
 

laura

DH_Laura
Jul 16, 2002
6,259
15
Glitter Gulch
Welcome to life. Move to another shop.
I agree. If you aren't apreciated take your show in the road man. Keep moving and you'll find a shop that is very interested in hiring a motivated young person with education and mechanic skills under their belt. Don't get your feelings hurt over it. You have to be your biggest fan and your biggest promoter. If teaching workshops is something that you are passionate, find a shop that will support that passion. But don't sweat the bull****. If you are working in a place that you love enough to do work for free, you are doing better than most people. (and don't overlook bike advocacy. If you enjoy teaching you may be able to find work outside of bike shops that keeps you doing what you love.)
 

rockarollah

Chimp
Feb 11, 2010
64
1
Waterloo, ON
Nothing too much that hasn't been said before, but...

It's hard to make it on merit alone. You have to draw attention to your own accomplishments at work, unfortunately. I've learned this lesson too and it sucks. It shouldn't be whining or puckering ass, but just stating facts and getting managers to commit to SOMETHING for your efforts. (Helps to have a position of strength, like another offer, good feedback from a customer, concrete proof of sales, work rate...) And let's face it, it isn't FAIR that you worked as a mechanic while earning bike assembler rate. You should have fought that, or at least highlighted the extra work.

The thing too is that favoring Tim is not strictly against the rules. It is poor practice, and clearly it's pissing off you, who's more often than not mopping up the mess. But it's probably not the best to ultimateum here.

The other aspect is... a really good friend out west is a former shop mechanic, but now has moved on to a downtown office job. He does work in his own garage, charges shop rates for the work, and makes a bit of extra coin on the side. Now, you'd have a hard time doing this while earning money at the shop, but if you've run the clinics, if you have lots of happy clients, it might be worth a go. The tools and supplies would be an investment, and you'd have to be assertive in charging for service, but... as an outside observer, most of the cost in running a bike shop comes with stocking inventory.
 

DirtMcGirk

<b>WAY</b> Dumber than N8 (to the power of ten alm
Feb 21, 2008
6,379
1
Oz

BikeMike

Monkey
Feb 24, 2006
784
0
It's the sad, sad state of the world that competent people are often ignored, and the incompetent are praised and rewarded. Unfortunately, it'll be something you will experience over and over again.

Making noise is a part of it. The quietly competent people will go passed over because things just disappear when they're given to them. It's a little bit of an art to draw attention to your skills but avoid looking like a braggart or overbearing.

Networking with the people who make these decisions is another part. Some of it is stupidity, and some of it is human nature to lean towards rewarding and supporting the people we like and interact with a lot. The smart, good managers will recognize the difference between rewarding someone they like, and rewarding a good worker, but I've found that smart, good managers are fewer and further between than I ever would have expected...
Exactly this^

It is frustrating that this is how the world works; it's not a meritocracy. The least deserving people often get the most, mostly because they spend their time getting closer to the big pants. Try not to waste too much energy and time being frustrated by it; eventually, you have to accept things how they are and do the best you can with what you've got. Re-read what BV wrote and go the the library or book store and check out some books on how to communicate with managers. Remember, it is possible to achieve any goals you have without being a d-bag or walking all over people. Although it takes work, it is well worth it.

As others have said, at this point it is might be better for you to find a new organization to work for.
 

Al C. Oholic

Monkey
Feb 11, 2010
407
0
FoCo
I agree with HAB, there are two sides to every story, and it's hard to give advice on one side's subjective point of view.
BUT, assuming your side is mostly truthful, I'd start looking for a new job just to see what's out there. If you find an opportunity, tell your boss you've gotten another offer and will take it unless your efforts are better appreciated where you're at. If no other offers come up, hey, at least you've still got a job. that's better than I can say for myself.
ALSO, your clinic idea is fantastic, gives the customers a reason to make your shop THEIR shop which is just good for riding and for business, and is very creative on your part. BUT, if that's what you've focused most of your efforts on, it shouldn't be all you've got going. maybe cut your losses, don't get butthurt about it, and try to excel in your repairs and other paid work. being an asskiss, tho it does sting the pride a bit, can get you ahead. Don't do it for vengeance against Tim, but if it's what you need to get what you deserve where you work, maybe a few extra weekend races and kissup conversations with the managers would be to your advantage. it's not the end of the world, even if it does make you cry a little on the inside.
 

Big J

Monkey
Jul 18, 2005
421
0
Chicago
Duuude......don't sweat it. The kangaroo Congress just past a historic bill, we don't have to work. Works for suckers.........

J