I still think this is a more awesome idea than 10 speed X.7. I'm not particularly likely to buy either, but see more point to this. I'm not a 10 speed hater on principle, and totally get the advantage, but am concerned that it'll either be a bunch more expensive than the current X.7, or cut corners somewhere. As it stands now, 10 speed chains and cassettes are a lot more expensive than 9 speed ones. I'm talking comparable quality road stuff, because XX isn't exactly with a 9 speed equal. Now, I understand the idea of trickle down and all that, and I'd love to give it a ride, but I'm not convinced that cheap 10 speed is ready for prime time. SRAM way well prove my skepticism unfounded, and if they do, awesome. I'm not going to jump on it as soon as it comes out though. Someone else can play guinea pig.
Rock Shox Domain DC
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lets just say hooray for both.
cheaper fork=more people riding DH (hopefully)
more gears=more options for techy geeks
hooray for bikes
hooray for beer
cheaper fork=more people riding DH (hopefully)
more gears=more options for techy geeks
hooray for bikes
hooray for beer
dont know if its the angle of the pic taken but it doesnt look like 8"
looks more like 6-7 ish
and...
if it shares the same leg as the domain then it wouldnt be a 8" fork?
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Seriously? $700US for a fork is still a ****load of money for most people. You can buy an old car for that! My first mountain bike cost $950au (roughly $700US), at the time I thought it was an AWESOME bike and nobody I knew could believe I'd spent nearly a grand on a bicycle. Yet somehow $700 is "entry level"? Not in most people's eyes. Again, it's not a fork aimed at me (or you by the sounds of it) but the DH scene is massively inaccessible simply because of the price - it's hard to get basic gear at low prices, especially when you're starting out and not connected to various hookups within the industry.
10sp is the last thing I want on my DH bike (AM/XC is another matter but I only have a DH bike at the moment) - I want less, more broadly spaced gear ratios, not closer ratios and bigger largest sprockets. The concept might work well for XC but I'd be more inclined to buy SRAM's stuff if it was more solidly made, rather than having more gears. As it stands, it doesn't actually open any markets up like a cheaper, decent quality DH fork does - you can still go riding XC/AM on your 9sp setup and have all the gears you'll actually need, it just might be a tiny bit less convenient. Hardly the same as being unable to do the kind of riding you actually want to do because you simply can't afford the kind of bike you need for it.
I have a feeling this is what will be coming on entry level DH bikes..... for one simple reason that has alreayd been mentioned.
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When most think DH, they think it should have a DC fork. I see a marktet for this, I would guess possibly in the 300 to 500 range..... Also assuming itll be 180mm travel. I ride an 07 66 for DH, it works ****ing awesome, In no way would I give that up for this.... Ill put money on it that the 66 will be stiffer than the domain DC, but at teh same time.... to replace the ****ty as version of the 66 you find specced on alot of entryline DH bikes with something like this will be an improvement on those lines.
I agree though, Im not going to be swapping out for one anytime soon, Gotten used to better products to take a step down myself...... But I def see how well this could help the DH markter.
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When most think DH, they think it should have a DC fork. I see a marktet for this, I would guess possibly in the 300 to 500 range..... Also assuming itll be 180mm travel. I ride an 07 66 for DH, it works ****ing awesome, In no way would I give that up for this.... Ill put money on it that the 66 will be stiffer than the domain DC, but at teh same time.... to replace the ****ty as version of the 66 you find specced on alot of entryline DH bikes with something like this will be an improvement on those lines.
I agree though, Im not going to be swapping out for one anytime soon, Gotten used to better products to take a step down myself...... But I def see how well this could help the DH markter.
It'd be pretty rad if Specialized did up a Big Hit in a color scheme just like Sam and Brendog's Demo, with a DC Domain and whatnot.. It'd def. be the hottest thing for groms @ diablo since clapped out Sunday/7Point Ex-Rentals.
Seriously?
300-500? What? You can barely make a fork chassi for that much, totally rediculous price.
Your 66 would be stiffer? Yeah right. I have the 06, which should be stiffer yet (shorter axle to crown), but a DC fork moves into a totally different catagory of stiffness. You couple 35mm stanchions with two crowns and you get FAR better fore-aft stiffness, and better torsional stiffness. Same stanchion size? The DC will be far stiffer. I had one of those old 170mm Jr Ts back in the day with a QR dropout (put a bmx axle in it eventually) and a Manitou Xvert R way way back in the day, both were QR forks, both were far stiffer than a SC fork with the same size stanchions. I find my 06 66 to be adequately stiff, not flexy, but a DC using the same size stanchions would be in another catagory of stiffness, not to mention it's a more efficient structure as far as weight to strength/stiffness is concerned.
The old 66 has some pretty crude damping. Again, I don't hate mine, but a Domain with mission control DH? I'd drop the 66 in a heartbeat for that, as the low-speed control is pretty poor on a 66.
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Not 300-500. How much does a regular domain cost?
Yep, if it's $500 then the $740 Boxxer race is a mere 50% more expensive, who wouldn't pay 50% extra once they got that far? Kind of like how if you're gonna spend $2000 on a frame, it's only 50% more to spend $3000 - they're almost the same!
Weird because 3 years ago dual crowns became uncool and long travel single crowns were deemed "cool looking". I've always thought dual crowns are a better design and I'm happy to see cheap dual crowns coming back as well as Manitou's re-introduction of the inverted fork. While I think 6" forks will stay single and 8"ers double, I wonder if most 7" forks will be dual crown or single in 3 years.
I'm always trying to help broke friends get into the sport so durable, cheap DH parts are sweet. For years all the cheap DH bikes have only come with 7" forks, as if beginners don't need that extra inch of travel.
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I guess so, and I guess I was thinking more of the Lyric for some reason, and not the Domain, but even still, the cheaper Domains are still $500+ mail order, which would put the DC at least that or more, so I don't really think it's going to be dirt-cheap like 300-500, probably at least a bit more.
more interesting than the aftermarkt price will be the oem price...
Well I for one am thinking OEM pricing, not customer retail. Byt he time the public can get any of these, I suspect they will alreayd be flooding in as OEM take off.... SO yeah, I suspect the pricing will be pretty low.
As for the 66.... Ill take the stiffness of the 66 over a super T/juniort/xvert/slider any day. I also stand by that the 07 was the year to have.... Worked out the kinks from previous eyars, then went to hell for 08. 08's were not stiff att all specially seeing how most had soo much friggin slop in the bushings. You cant compare the stanction diameter alone, you have to look at the wall thickness, and type of paterial as well.
Would I take this new domain over my 66... I dont know, I would have to see one first, chances are.... No I wouldnt, would I take a Boxxer race, or the new 888 EVO... DUH. DO I think my 66 is stiffer than the new 888evo or boxxers? No, I do however belive it<from using both> it stiffer than the older boxxers, and with the beefiness of the steerer and crown, it can mroe than hold its own without any problems.
Trust me, if mine was going to break, I would have killed it alog time ago.
Second the OEM pricing idea, I believe this fork WILL be cheap.
I owned a 07 66 ETA and while it was plush, I didn't like the fork on my 7point. I had to re-weld the damper seal head because the circlip got torn off just riding along. I sold the bike eventually and now ride a Stinky Six with 08 888 ATA. The ATA is so much better overall, and only like 50-80g heavier. Not mentioning the creaking crown I got after no more than 300km XC/FR riding on the damn 66 (and it was a 1.5" version). I also rode the old boxxer by that time and while it was a solo air = not the plushest, I believe it was stiffer.
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From Pinkbike
New from RockShox is their dual crown Domain fork. With a 35 mm chassis based on the BoXXer, a full 200 mm of travel, and an impressive MSRP of $660, this new value priced park slayer makes a lot of sense. Inside you'll find all the pictures and info!
The tried and true long travel single crown grows up! We started with all the core features of Domain: hardened steel upper tubes and easily adjustable compression and rebound damping. Once we had those key features in place, we sprinkled some of the most exciting parts of the BoXXer's World Cup winning chassis on top! Assembled, this new dual crown offering will be the smoothest most durable park weapon in the wild
• Domain's proven park durability in a dual crown 200mm chassis
• 35mm chassis based on BoXXer
• Uses NEW Maxle Lite
• Tapered steel upper tubes
• Aluminum steerer
Domain RC Dual Crown Details
• Coil sprung
• 200 mm of travel
• Maxle Lite 20 mm thru-axle
• Motion Control IS damping
• Aluminum 1 1/8" steerer
• Includes two tuning springs
• MSRP $660 USD
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/rockshox-domain-dual-crown-2010.html
New from RockShox is their dual crown Domain fork. With a 35 mm chassis based on the BoXXer, a full 200 mm of travel, and an impressive MSRP of $660, this new value priced park slayer makes a lot of sense. Inside you'll find all the pictures and info!
The tried and true long travel single crown grows up! We started with all the core features of Domain: hardened steel upper tubes and easily adjustable compression and rebound damping. Once we had those key features in place, we sprinkled some of the most exciting parts of the BoXXer's World Cup winning chassis on top! Assembled, this new dual crown offering will be the smoothest most durable park weapon in the wild
• Domain's proven park durability in a dual crown 200mm chassis
• 35mm chassis based on BoXXer
• Uses NEW Maxle Lite
• Tapered steel upper tubes
• Aluminum steerer
Domain RC Dual Crown Details
• Coil sprung
• 200 mm of travel
• Maxle Lite 20 mm thru-axle
• Motion Control IS damping
• Aluminum 1 1/8" steerer
• Includes two tuning springs
• MSRP $660 USD
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/rockshox-domain-dual-crown-2010.html
why not pay a few bucks more for a Boxxer Race?
That thing will dominate OEM spec and ride pretty damn good to boot.
for 660 dollars theres no way that thing is worth it. It is basically the same thing as the current boxxer race with steel stantions, same damper, same lowers, with heavier stantions for basically the same price. The steel may be stronger and grow a following in the freeride segment, but weight concious riders will probly shy away
weight conscious riders will buy a world cup
more people riding DH is good for the sport, more places to ride, better trails, etc. and the push to put out high performing equiptment that john q public can afford is good for the sport.
and obviouly this will sell to the OEM'ers 10:1 to retail customers.
more people riding DH is good for the sport, more places to ride, better trails, etc. and the push to put out high performing equiptment that john q public can afford is good for the sport.
and obviouly this will sell to the OEM'ers 10:1 to retail customers.
That fork will dominate the second hand market. Subtile people who are concerned about logotype patched on whatever bikepart and people who don't know that domain needs a certain amount of time to bed in will be swapinng them in no time. That will allow riders who blow their money on drugs/hookers/other necessities to get practically new fork for very limited amount of money 
Hmmmm... 660 price tag....... I think its doomed to be shelved and forgotten about.
OEM pricing cant be that much cheaper to make it worth it to spec a bike with it on a regular basis.
My full prediction, we will see a bunch of bikes specced with it, we will see a bunch of those bikes passed up by people that will see the small difference to the same bike specced with a boxxer, and we will see in a year maybe year and a half these will be discount priced I would guess 400-450 on pricepoint and jensonusa's sight as oem take off when they dont move.
OEM pricing cant be that much cheaper to make it worth it to spec a bike with it on a regular basis.
My full prediction, we will see a bunch of bikes specced with it, we will see a bunch of those bikes passed up by people that will see the small difference to the same bike specced with a boxxer, and we will see in a year maybe year and a half these will be discount priced I would guess 400-450 on pricepoint and jensonusa's sight as oem take off when they dont move.
for 400 or 450 as second hand plus the new AVA cartridge sounds like a cheap solution worth a perfect product!
saving $100 retail on ONE part for a bike that will probably be ~2k is a big deal to a product manager.
Thats just it, with a 2k price tag.... they arent going to use this fork, they will use something far cheaper, 100 dollars is nothing, 300 dollars... now we are talking. If I am building up a bike that will have a 2k price tag, there is no way in hell I would think about speccing it with a fork that retails for half.
I really dont think we will see this specd on a bike for less than 3k, thats still a decent budget for a dh bike, problem is, I suspect every other part will be cheap as well, ****ty DT, no name cranks, weigh a ton ETC ETC.
you'd be surprised.
Product managers will spec cheaper BBs to save $1 a part. $100 is a huge deal when you are buying 1000 units+.
I still wonder how little clue people have about some OEM prices if you order in sensible quantities
If some companies play it right you can easily have a 2500$ dh bike. Saracen, Cheaper Big Hits, Euro direct order companies. I see a lot of possibilities here.
I have to go with Norbar on this one. I think the Domain will pretty much take over the entry level OEM market, while being a jump forward in what the buyer is getting for the $. Let's compare this to the Drop Off Triple or the Splice DC, shall we?
I have always considered the Domain to be an overgrown Pike - and that is no slouch of a fork.
Does anybody really think that if a company, say Giant or Specialized, or Trek approaches RS and says "we would like 3000 Domain DC's" that RC will say "OK, we will cut you a deal. $20 off each unit." Not if they want to stay in business. We will see this fork on the Big Hit line, and probably on a whole bunch of new trickle down designs based on the Glory and the Session as well.
I have always considered the Domain to be an overgrown Pike - and that is no slouch of a fork.
Does anybody really think that if a company, say Giant or Specialized, or Trek approaches RS and says "we would like 3000 Domain DC's" that RC will say "OK, we will cut you a deal. $20 off each unit." Not if they want to stay in business. We will see this fork on the Big Hit line, and probably on a whole bunch of new trickle down designs based on the Glory and the Session as well.
RS (Tyler Morland) is quoted today on Bikeradar as saying this is targeting the FR market... I don' think it's going to draw much attention from the DH/Boxxer crowd, when a Race is fairly affordable.
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It could easily take over the rental fleet market...
thats exactly what we do in my industry....you buy more, you get a cheaper price from the manufacturer.
Go pick a bike from a big manufacturer. Anything from Trek, Giant, Specialized, whatever. Pick something that's sold as frame only. Add up the MSRP of all the parts, frame included. I'm sure you'll find that whatever company is loosing money selling the bike at that pricing scheme. They get large discounts from buying in bulk.
Oh I know that all too well. The entire reasoning behind juicy three's IMO.
Not that we wont be seeing this on the big hit and other entry line bikes, but I will put money on it that the price tag on those bike will jump up a bit along with it. those wonderfull Marz forks they have on them now.... are probably being picked up for I would guess 2 bills max, maybe a little less.......
Yeah I know all too well Manf ordering 3k forks will get a break, and a fairly substantial one, but I still say money on it that we probably wont see this on 2k bikes..... Un less that baseline price is coming up as well.
I mean if we go back to earlier statements here about truth, I was told that 300-500 dollar range was no were possible, and teh reasoning behind that was cost to make teh chassis was more than that........
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True statement..... I honestly belive we have gotten to a point were we are getting too light for DH bikes. You know how many sessions I have seen now with dented downtubes from shuttling<just the first example I thought of>.
What do we have now, four or five<or more> bikes available that are sub 38 out of the box, and they have a fairly heavy build on them....... Were is the weight dropping from? I think we are pushing the limits and tip toeing across the limits of what we can do with the metal on bike frames.........40 pounds is a good weight for DH... litle more, little under.... your ok.
I think that was my point exactly. A $20 discount per unit is nowhere near what the big orders will get. More along the lines of a >50% discount, hence the viability of seeing this fork on rental fleets and sub $2500 bikes.
If RS only gave such a small discount ($20/unit), they would not sell anywhere near enough to make the $ back, (or keep themselves in business).
Overall the RS people have shown since 2005 that they do have some business savvy and can make a god product. I see big things ahead for this product.