nice! i might have to send my Evo Ti to him asap!
Avalanche boxxer upgrade kit out! Will fit majority of forks!
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Yea, I will be sending him my 888 to do the cartridge in, the shim kits are 49$ and have a guide for you to do it yourself with sizing and such for the 2010 888 or you can do the whole new cart.
ive been pretty happy with the revised cartridge, but havin him tune it up a bit will be nice.
Im actually thinking of getting a DHX 5 just to have it tuned for the bike... LOL Thats the first time getting a DHX on my my bike VS off of it has been a option! 
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you cant modify poop i guess
LMAO!you cant modify poop i guess
Hey I had a Travis on a nicolia I had (single crown) and if they could get a few bugs worked out it was extremely plush!!!!
they did feel great right before the blew up
Ummm as far as i know the Vivd is infact twin tube shock.
Yeah I didnt have it all that long but damn it was smooth!
So do we know who the first AVA advantage guy is??????
Not the 5th me and a buddie are rocking the 5th element upgrade and DAMN that thing is amazing. We upped the spring rate and it now perorms incredible.
We stuck it on the bullit and use it for freeride, drops, rocks and its his do it all bike.
Best bang for the buck.... If you have a 5th its a mandatory upgrade if you pick up a 5th for some change do it as a back up shock or as a main.
I am currently debating whether or not to do this for my 08 Boxxer WC or to sell them. The market sux and I am only getting low-ball offers on my fork. I think they feel like poop in their stock form so the AVA program is a must if I keep them. I am just wondering if it is worth throwing 399.00 into an outdated chassis. 
My disclaimer is that i've been an AVY customer since 03.
I have a 5th with the advantage as well on my old bullit and frankly i'm not that impressed considering that for $50 more a new shock could of been had. And yes i too put a stiffer spring on it.
Having said that im really itching for the new Boxxer stuff
Why not just keep rocking the 40 and keep the Boxxer as a spare?I am currently debating whether or not to do this for my 08 Boxxer WC or to sell them. The market sux and I am only getting low-ball offers on my fork. I think they feel like poop in their stock form so the AVA program is a must if I keep them. I am just wondering if it is worth throwing 399.00 into an outdated chassis.
I gots me bills to pay and the kidz need some new shoes
I love the 40, best fork I have ever ridden, hands down. I just can't afford to keep them both. I would keep the 40 but it is much more marketable than the Boxxer right now.
Yeah been there (avy) since 04, and since put miles on roco wc air and coil, Elka, DHX, Stratos eljeffe and helix, 6way, vivid 5.1 c-tune Im sure Im missing a couple lol I like first hand experience on stuff they all have ups and downs for my style as Im sure it changes for a 130lb rider vs me at 230 and region/course.
The one shock I really liked for its overall is the dhs it hit the nail on the head for a multitude of terrain with lighter valving.
The vivid 5.1 felt slow but when you opened up on nasty stuff it tracked well, the roco wc air isnt great for DJn but with it sitting mid way in its stroke on a jedi it cadillacs through stuff and thats what brings me to the DHS it acts like the vivid as far as slow but performs like a roco in the nasty stuff and staying glued to the course + the maintenance and reliability is top notch.
I gots me bills to pay and the kidz need some new shoes
I love the 40, best fork I have ever ridden, hands down. I just can't afford to keep them both. I would keep the 40 but it is much more marketable than the Boxxer right now.
As far as the kids take your old bike tires and some twine and make them flip flops its green thing to do so you wont be looked at as cheap! Plus different terrain for different seasons!
I wouldnt call the 32mm boxxer dated I loved the way it tracked through stuff even at my weight it killed it, I thought the internals and dampening lacked a little bit but I thought the 08 and 09 wcs I had kicked A$$. I would without question install a avy cartidge in it and see, Im going to do it to the 2010 wc as well as Im getting ready to try his hi/lo internals soon. Availability LOL
But that cartidge kit really has my intrest........
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Werd.
The DHS i have been riding since 03 has been on a Nicolai Lamda, Bullit and now a Morewood Izimu and it still IMO the cats meow with yearly overhaul and updates. Every time i ride another shock it confirms my belief that the avy product is still "up there"...
loved mine on my bmw...both ends...although the fork chassis left much to be desired. Would love to pick up a kit for my new boxxer, but the seals and inverted chassis really made the avy fork shine. 2 year maintenance period? No prob...just wish it was 4 lbs lighter.
Werd.
The DHS i have been riding since 03 has been on a Nicolai Lamda, Bullit and now a Morewood Izimu and it still IMO the cats meow with yearly overhaul and updates. Every time i ride another shock it confirms my belief that the avy product is still "up there"...
It is and Craig has them dialed thats why the cartridge has me so intrested...
Ha-ha. Good call on the shoes.As far as the kids take your old bike tires and some twine and make them flip flops its green thing to do so you wont be looked at as cheap! Plus different terrain for different seasons!
I wouldnt call the 32mm boxxer dated I loved the way it tracked through stuff even at my weight it killed it, I thought the internals and dampening lacked a little bit but I thought the 08 and 09 wcs I had kicked A$$. I would without question install a avy cartidge in it and see, Im going to do it to the 2010 wc as well as Im getting ready to try his hi/lo internals soon. Availability LOL
But that cartidge kit really has my intrest........
In terms of performance, I agree, that chassis is not outdated. I never had a problem with flex or anything for that matter. It has done a good job for me, I just don't like the Mo Control and rebound. It is only outdated in terms of marketing. 40mm, 38mm and 35mm is the rage now. May be why I am only getting so-so offers on it. So, from a performance standpoint I think I would be happy on the Boxxer w/the AVA upgrade. Every year the resale will get exponentially worse and being a parts whore I like to try new things so I have to sell them while they are worth something to get the new ones.
The 08 Boxxer does look like a toy next to my 40 though.
So, is there a big difference in feel and performance between a 5th/AVA and the DHS?
I ran the stock 5th, a DHS and the 5th/ava all on the same bike and yes there is a difference.
I probably woulda been thrilled with the 5th/ava if i had never experienced the DHS.
Taking the DHS out of the equation, how would you compare the 5th/AVA to other shocks, say more recent offerings?
The attractive thing about the 5th/AVA to me is you can get a clapped out 5th for around $50.00 and then spend $179.00 on the AVA and have a pretty sweet custom tuned shock for $229.00 (probably cost a tad more factoring shipping in each way and a new spring if needed - still keeping it under 300.00). But, you can't find a new shock for even $300.00. It seems like this is a no-brainer if the performance is on par with other current offerings.
for just a bit more and depending on size, Diverse has a shock w/ Ti spring for $380
Good call. That probably is one of the most economical parts available especially since it includes a Ti spring. However, I need a 9.5x3.0 and probably a 400# spring which would put me at $499.95 for it. I have two other issues it too:
1) I don't know how well it would fit my bike since the reservoir comes straight off the top (rather than down at an angle) and the adjusters sit right on top
2) If I am going to spend more than $100.00 on a part, it needs to be proven. I am not saying this is a bad product, I just haven't heard anything one way or another about how well it performs or its durability. It needs more time on the market before I could justify the expense.
It does look like a cool shock though. I wonder how different it is from a Revox or RC4 - same adjustments and all, not necessarily the same inside though.
just food for thought.
all your points are valid though. new products without enough info out there is hard to justify spending the coin on it.
Compared to other shocks Id rock it, its plush and great tuning, but the tuning is based on weight of you style bike leverage etc and it works great.
Yeah comparing it to a dhs no comparision but then again thats the pinnacle of shocks.
I loved the vivid 5.1 worked killer, the avy 5th is a SOLID shock it literally rocks outa the box when you get it. The dial is for fine tuning now and its responsive but takes big hits really well.
BTW I have seen clapped out 5ths for $20-30 lately
....OK Boxxer kits are shipping wednesday, they had a team assembled last night and a wc tomorrow and all is go!
Now if I only had my old boxxer as well Id run it, apparently the dampening makes it feel like a DHF. Aside of the obvious inverted vs non the dampening is supposed to be amazing....The 2010 kits are in process so Ill run his hi/lo upgrade till then...... Hell YA a boxxer that feels like an avy as far as plushness and retains boxxer weight!
The boxxer cartridge has more range of adjustments than the DHF as well and if you need to get down to the smallest finetuning he has additional needle valves available as well..
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Fox shims are in shortly and it is a TRUE speed sensative shock based on a spring break away so no matter where you are in the stroke the break away is effected by oil speed vs pressure built up in the propedal or resevoir and getting STIFF on compression.
So with the new DHX tune no matter where the shaft is in the stroke full, 1/3 1/5 way etc it will keep its feels for consistant and constant control.
SO yes the AVA DHX tune is a TRUE SPEED SENSATIVE set up....
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Adapter kit for the 32mm Boxxers are ready to go so 06 - 09 (I think 05s as well) boxxers are ready to mod right now.......
Adapter kits MMMMMM! And yes as soon sa the adapters for 2010 boxxers are ready Im gutting my new WC!
Adapter kits MMMMMM! And yes as soon sa the adapters for 2010 boxxers are ready Im gutting my new WC!
Yeah not self install but the fact they are ready to be installed and for sale as a real product right now after several years in hte making is pretty damn cool!!!!
Now we need the 2010 kit so I can play!!!!
im confused.
So you can buy this upgrade kit for your current fork to make it preform better.
But you can also adapt it to other forks so when you change forks you can use the internals in that new fork. Why would you change forks if you are just going to hollow them out and put the same thing you rode last year in them???
So you can buy this upgrade kit for your current fork to make it preform better.
But you can also adapt it to other forks so when you change forks you can use the internals in that new fork. Why would you change forks if you are just going to hollow them out and put the same thing you rode last year in them???
exactly what i was thinking. plus you can still brag about having the latest and greatest AND brag about having custom internals too!!
i would think once you have it set up you would be pretty happy and probably not change it from fork to fork. it seems like that would be an added cost w/little benefit. however, $hit breaks and parts wear out so eventually you may be forced to put it in a new chassis.
Also if you buy your bikes as completes, then you could just have your new bike fitted with the cartridge.. It def. makes sense to me, also cuts down on the "dialing in" of your new bike, if you have a familiar-feeling fork.
Main reason is if you sell of your fork break your fork or sell it to someone else and they have a different fork sitting there they prefer then they can adapt it. You change your bike out and buy another that is complete and sell yours complete swap it to the new set up with an adapter kit. I know I like to keep the goods to myself to put on new stuff. How many times have you sold an item complete and looked back and new you had a custom part on it and said "AHHH I should have kept that!" As much stuff as I sell its happened pretty regularly!exactly what i was thinking. plus you can still brag about having the latest and greatest AND brag about having custom internals too!!
i would think once you have it set up you would be pretty happy and probably not change it from fork to fork. it seems like that would be an added cost w/little benefit. however, $hit breaks and parts wear out so eventually you may be forced to put it in a new chassis.
boxxers are semi stiff Fox is really stiff and marzocchi is inbetween all the weights are different and and people prefer these handling charecteristics. So now the stiffness doesnt change with dampening just the way it handles stuff.
If you break your fork you can sell the internals to someone else and they can buy the adapter kit.
Your fork has a horrid resell you crash and the lowers break, you find a good deal on a fox 40 cool, buy it the adapter kit and swap.
I think its a great idea I know i personally get really tired of no IS standards and proprietary stuff, this opens it up to anyone making it user friendly and now your not isolated to a particular brand.
Universal fork cartidges is a HELL UV AN IDEA!
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Cartridge assembled and in stock, and under products page for ordering.
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everybody is going to LOVE this until they realize it's going to add a lb to their fork. Any estimate on weight?
I'd pick one up in a heartbeat but I have no riding time on my current one, therefore no reason to switch!
I'd pick one up in a heartbeat but I have no riding time on my current one, therefore no reason to switch!
The damper itself will probably not weigh much more than what is in there. This big addition will come with oil. For example, having to run at least 300cc of oil in a Fox 40 (probably more like 400cc) vs 150cc for the damper and outer leg in stock form will add a whole bunch of weight.
Im doing the upgrade for the hi/lo on the comp side for new 2010 boxxer. Mine packs no matter what at really high speed compression.
Ive ran lighter oil backed adjustments off etc and it gets caught up in real heavy square edge chatter and acts rigid.
I get it close and its good but not quite there, talked to Craig and I should have it solved shortly...
Weigh wise shouldnt be too bad, craig went thinner tubing then the AVY forks etc and resuced weight without compromise to the durability... If there was a kit for the new boxxer id have the cartridge in it already.
Are the 888's:
- Ready to ship?
- Do they work for the 07 WC?
- Ready to ship?
- Do they work for the 07 WC?