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blackohio

Generous jaywalker
Mar 12, 2009
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Hellafornia. Formerly stumptown.
I'd prefer to "dance like a politician" for a little while longer.. heh

I love how people are demanding answers, once you become a investor I can see demanding answers/results but as it stands forum nerds requiring the R&D departments of companies to succumb to their will is silly.

Will I be riding a Turner? Nope, I love my revolt. Im glad to see a company not rushing for the fast dollar and making sure the product they release is correct.
 

iRider

Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
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I love how people are demanding answers, once you become a investor I can see demanding answers/results but as it stands forum nerds requiring the R&D departments of companies to succumb to their will is silly.
Marketing departments use these channels to create hype about their product and then are surprised that the "forum nerds" (as you like to call them) turn against them when they stop using this type of communication as soon as something goes wrong w/ products/warranty/ETA/ etc.?
 

WBC

Monkey
Aug 8, 2003
578
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PNW
We ARE the investors.

No.

Investors are generally shareholders. Customers are not shareholders.

If you are an investor, you give capital(money) to Turner in exchange for the right to lay claim on a set percentage of future profits/assets/capital. Turner would be borrowing your money with the obligation to pay it back plus a certain level of interest (positive or negative: depending on performance). Under typical circumstances, you would now be an owner of Turner.

If you are a customer, you give money in exchange for a frame and any warranty coverage that comes with it. That's it. Once the money is taken from Turner, Turner (along with its investors) owns that money, and can decide what to do with it. You traded money for a frame/warranty with no further claim on that money. Under typical circumstances, you would now be an owner of a Turner.


You are a stakeholder, not a shareholder.
 

jonKranked

Detective Dookie
Nov 10, 2005
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amazing thread so far. wondering if I can get some expert advice on investing???
I know a Prince in Nigeria who needs help claiming his inheritance. All he needs is your SSN, Address, Bank Account # and routing #. He will reward you 10,000$USD for your assistance.
 

iRider

Turbo Monkey
Apr 5, 2008
5,648
3,089
I know a Prince in Nigeria who needs help claiming his inheritance. All he needs is your SSN, Address, Bank Account # and routing #. He will reward you 10,000$USD for your assistance.
Can you please give me his contact info? I need $10,000 right now so I can afford one of those not-yet-but-soon-existing DWDHRs. :D
 

seth505

Monkey
Jun 9, 2006
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since this thread blows I would like to add the following: I rode one of those KHS bikes posted a few pages back one time....one time...and thought I was going to DIE. I gave it back quick like. The End.
 

John P.

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2001
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Golden, CO
i phoned Turner last week. ship date has moved from early June to early July.
2010 or 2011? . . . '12?

Also, can we please start a thread for e-speculating on how to tune the shock? Never mind if we don't even know what shock it'll run. e-spec on that, too.
 

leprechaun

Turbo Monkey
Apr 17, 2004
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Nothing to see here! Moooove along.
Well, there's a step in the right direction! There's proof that Turner found a new machine shop (one that's in buisness and can make him parts), got cnc'd goods and shipped them to Sapa, and they welded them to tubes, heat treated them and shipped them to back Turner! What's left? paint? Oh wait- links, a swingarm and pivots. It seems the hard part is behind them.
 

wood booger

Monkey
Jul 16, 2008
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the land of cheap beer
Well, there's a step in the right direction! There's proof that Turner found a new machine shop (one that's in buisness and can make him parts), got cnc'd goods and shipped them to Sapa, and they welded them to tubes, heat treated them and shipped them to back Turner! What's left? paint? Oh wait- links, a swingarm and pivots. It seems the hard part is behind them.

bahahahaha

That was pretty funny!

At least Turners are still made in America (just not by Turner)!!!

Is Intense the only one left that truly makes bikes in-house?
 

leprechaun

Turbo Monkey
Apr 17, 2004
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Turner's allways done it this way. Sapa is, or has been doing a few Santa Cruz bikes as well, most notably the V10, but that looks to be coming to an end.

There's Intense, Ventana, Foes and Ellsworth, not many (any?)others left doing full suspension at this point! Sinister?
 

buildyourown

Turbo Monkey
Feb 9, 2004
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South Seattle
Turner's allways done it this way. Sapa is, or has been doing a few Santa Cruz bikes as well, most notably the V10, but that looks to be coming to an end.

There's Intense, Ventana, Foes and Ellsworth, not many (any?)others left doing full suspension at this point! Sinister?
Ellsworth was done at Sapa too.

Ventana and Intense have to be the ones doing any volume.
 

Kanye West

220# bag of hacktastic
Aug 31, 2006
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Turner's allways done it this way. Sapa is, or has been doing a few Santa Cruz bikes as well, most notably the V10, but that looks to be coming to an end.

There's Intense, Ventana, Foes and Ellsworth, not many (any?)others left doing full suspension at this point! Sinister?
Frank is just making his own bikes these days. Sinister is sourcing their frames elsewhere for now.
 

roel_koel

Monkey
Mar 26, 2003
278
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London,England
Ellsworth was done at Sapa too.

Ellsworth was originally made by Sapa and Anodising, but built their own facility in Vancouver, Washington some years ago

they occasionally have a run of HT frames made by Sapa, the most recent being the "Specialist" DJ frame a few seasons back

their carbon-fibre HT frames and CF road frames plus their budget "Glimpse" complete bike and wheelsets are made off-shore

but all their full-suspension frames are US made in their own facility

I work for the UK importer who has a long relationship with Ellsworth, in case you are wondering...
 

Polandspring88

Superman
Mar 31, 2004
3,066
7
Broomfield, CO
Well, there's a step in the right direction! There's proof that Turner found a new machine shop (one that's in buisness and can make him parts), got cnc'd goods and shipped them to Sapa, and they welded them to tubes, heat treated them and shipped them to back Turner! What's left? paint? Oh wait- links, a swingarm and pivots. It seems the hard part is behind them.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=635294

Swingarm pics in there.
 

bizutch

Delicate CUSTOM flower
Dec 11, 2001
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Over your shoulder whispering
Well, there's a step in the right direction! There's proof that Turner found a new machine shop (one that's in buisness and can make him parts), got cnc'd goods and shipped them to Sapa, and they welded them to tubes, heat treated them and shipped them to back Turner! What's left? paint? Oh wait- links, a swingarm and pivots. It seems the hard part is behind them.
I'm trying to determine your tone in this post. Sarcasm? Skepticism? Annoyance? Glimmer of Hope? Angst with a touch of irony?:think: