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service and changing the DHX5 alone

saruti

Turbo Monkey
Oct 29, 2006
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Ok
I own a sunday for the last 4 years and I'm very happy with it
The only thing still batter me is the un progressiveness of the DHX5 on the rear
The bike seat low with the right spring (I'm 70 kg with a 300lbs spring)

I do everything on my bike alone (just don't have the money to pay for people to do it for me...)
service the entire bike with no problems , do my DHX oil change and o rings every year and happy with it
I really want the bike to seat a little higher in its travel and to be more progressive.

Is there anyone here who can help me understand how to do it (changing shimz? oil? maybe to make the air chamber smaller??)
Please help

Thanks.
 

saruti

Turbo Monkey
Oct 29, 2006
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Israel
google it abit and found this site
http://shimrestackor.com/
it has a lot of info... more than I can understand :-)

but I find this to make the shock more progressive

so?
can I just take one of the large diameter shimz an replace it with a small one? that will make it progressive?

thanks
 
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Udi

RM Chief Ornithologist
Mar 14, 2005
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No don't do that.
The compression valving on the DHX5 is already very soft, so the last thing you want to do is reduce support in the stack anywhere.

First thing to ask is - what pressure, propedal, and bottom out settings are you currently running?

The DHX can be setup to be quite a progressive shock simply with a combination of those adjustments, what it lacks (if anything) is support in the early to mid stroke, so you just have very little support and then hit a wall towards the end.

Make sure the oil you are using isn't too thin as well, because stock oil in the DHX5 was Silkolene Pro RSF 10wt (~47 cSt if I remember correctly, check it)... and that's quite thick. You could very easily have used a thinner oil in your rebuilds and reduced damping support.

AFTER you have considered all those factors, I would start by replacing the shims in the main stack with thicker ones, especially the larger diameter ones. I think the stock ones are 0.1mm, if they are you'd probably do well to replace say the 3 biggest ones with 0.2mm instead (maybe even 0.25mm) and go onwards from there. Try to keep the overall thickness of the stack the same (you may have to reduce thickness of the smallest diameter spacing shims at the base of the stack) Believe me when I say the stock stack does very little (compression damping is mostly provided by the propedal/boost valve assembly in stock guise).

No one will give you a magic combo, experimentation is key - but having played with quite a few of them, that would be my advice.

Alternatively - I'm running a CCDB in one sunday, and a BOS Stoy in another... they will give you all the adjustment range you need externally. $$ though.
 

saruti

Turbo Monkey
Oct 29, 2006
1,167
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thanks udi
this is very helpfull.
I used 7.5 wt oil when I serviced my shock. maybe this is the problem :-)
I will change it to 10wt.

will a smaller air chamber make the shock progressive in the end strock?

thanks again.

p.s.
I am using the recomended settings
110 psi
3 clicks of propedal
4 clicks of rebound from full open
 
Having spoken with a mate of mine on a 224 with a DHX-5 they found the most effective way to increase the progressiveness of the shock was (as you've already mentioned) to reduce the initial volume of the air chamber by pushing the IFP in a smaller distance. This won't give you support through the entire range as Udi has mentioned, but it will feel like a brick wall towards the end if you fiddle with it enough.
 

Udi

RM Chief Ornithologist
Mar 14, 2005
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p.s.
I am using the recomended settings
110 psi
3 clicks of propedal
4 clicks of rebound from full open
Yeah, probably not enough for hard riding. Id try 5 clicks PP, 130-140psi and see what you think of that first. I suspect it might help a lot. Just out of curiosity, what is your body weight and springrate?

Also make sure you check the cSt value of the oil you are running, rather than just the weight. I'd recommend using Redline or Silkolene RSF oils where possible because they have a high VI (less viscosity change over a heat range) - important for shocks.

Stock IFP depth is fine too, I don't really see a big need to mess around with that given that the external adjustments focus on progressive damping anyway.

So in short - try different external settings, make sure the oil matches the stock specs (~47cSt, 300+ VI), and after that worry about making internal changes. If you decide to reconfigure shims, you will also want to find a good supplier for shims in the exact size you want (sometimes hard).
 

saruti

Turbo Monkey
Oct 29, 2006
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Israel
body weight- 70 kg
spring - 300 titanium spring

so I'll start by changing the oil to 10wt
and use 5 clicks in pp and 120 psi.

maybe make the air chamber smaller?


thanks


is there a way to make the bike higher?.. less sag?
I see people in my weight write they use the same spring rate as i do but having less sag. can it be done?
 
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