I wonder if Sam will post on here about the
'EPIC FAILURE BEWARE'?
'EPIC FAILURE BEWARE'?
Sam Hill's bike at Fort William ... after a crash
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post of the month, hahaI wonder if Sam will post on here about the
'EPIC FAILURE BEWARE'?
nice alu demo!
i didnt miss a thing.You point out not seing sarcasm and in the same post miss it. Good job
hope sam is straight for finals, would be frustrating to miss points from a practice accident.
Update from Dirt:
The latest news this morning is that Sam Hill has damaged his shoulder ligaments, but not broken any bones. We understand that the Specialized plan is that Hill will start his qualifying run this afternoon but will pull over once he’s left the start hut and rest up for Sunday, since he’s a top 20 protected rider this should ensure he starts the finals just to try and salvage some points.
It’s unclear whether the UCI will allow this but all in all it doesn’t sound good for Sam Hill. More news when we get it.
The latest news this morning is that Sam Hill has damaged his shoulder ligaments, but not broken any bones. We understand that the Specialized plan is that Hill will start his qualifying run this afternoon but will pull over once he’s left the start hut and rest up for Sunday, since he’s a top 20 protected rider this should ensure he starts the finals just to try and salvage some points.
It’s unclear whether the UCI will allow this but all in all it doesn’t sound good for Sam Hill. More news when we get it.
Was he??
Also, I'm sold on those cranks at this point, it's crazy they didn't need to be replaced.
Uh, no. If you look at the wheels, they've got normal diameter spokes. Way too thin to be CF. There were some CF nipples made for normal spokes back in the day, but if memory serves, there's a reason I haven't seen them in a while, and I really doubt Sam's using anything like that.
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it's up in the vid in moving picture, or the words from Jacey the mechanic?
No, he wasn't. It was just a joke to add on to the jokes about his frame being carbon.
Seems like some people would believe anything!No, he wasn't. It was just a joke to add on to the jokes about his frame being carbon.
possible torn rotator cuff huh?
nothing too serious thankfully, had two done myself. depending how torn it is, he might still be able to ride upcoming WC's
nothing too serious thankfully, had two done myself. depending how torn it is, he might still be able to ride upcoming WC's
Really? I tore both of mine within a week when I used to do jiu jitsu (didn't realize I'd done it the first time) and couldn't lift either arm above my shoulder for about 6 months, or participate in any physical activity involving my arms for about a year. Maybe I was just unlucky, but my understanding was rotator cuffs were pretty bad to tear.
im sure each case is different, but i tore mine twice and my mother and father both tore theirs and we were all able to do activities (with pain of course)
i played baseball for a year with my initial tear and while it did hurt like hell, i was still able to play (with some pain pills)
after surgery, i was playing 2.5 months after surgery
Hope Sam gets back on the bike and to his usual ways soon especially before Champery!
On his bike, this is total e-speculation and no inside info or anything purely discussion talk.
But to me this years Demo seems more compact, maybe an illusion of exaggerated swoopy tubes? but looks even shorter in the TT than last years Sam Hill Demo ver!
The thing is what we forget in these threads is the sheer speeds Sam goes compared to us mere mortals and many of us who think they go fast, apart from wheel base and angles these matter at speed for stability, these guys know how to corner they don't need help as much as some of us here with a more compact setup!
For ex the Sunday even in std prod vers has had a much longer TT for a given WB over most other prod frames out there, Sams sml Sunday ran longer TTs for given wheel base, this adds significantly to stability when ramming ****.
If you watch any video of Sam esp in slow mo in his Sunday days, one of his key elements to his riding over others is his upper body stillness no matter how hard he rams stuff, corners, jumps, this creates stability and imo a lot of his speed secrets in the rough, but in the end its a total package, rider bike, setup desire, then technique!
I'm not so sure his new Demo is providing the same setup [forget material].
And now even more important on these tracks, even Peaty went back supposedly to his normal bike the Stallion named because it was so big even compared to Minnars in the front tri, that said hes been tied up with lots of off the bike stuff in the off season, Maybe GM even with his early season inury has had more time to get used to the newer V10?
So for Peaty how much time has he had trying to get used to the new lower slacker V10, maybe it dosen't suit him as well as the higher static geo and stepper static angles of the older V10, missing out on so much training time seems to be hurting him more I suspect but as World Champ he deserves it?
But it does show as Ive read here many times pros often stick with what they know because it works for them, not because they haven't tried other options, because they test stuff to heck, sometimes what works with ya style is best, like wide bars, I love em but I was riding wide bars back in the 80s & 90s doing Moto its taken way too long to come into MTB, but hey its not for everyone, I remember though Peaty and Rennie running bar extenders years ago too, some things work some don't.
So Sams bike is it a contributing factor for his Style, though seems it may suit Brendon F?
Sams been running those wheels for years btw!
2 of the biggest dominant riders so far this year are not dominating! Peaty & Hill....
Both on totally new rigs, just e spec or coincidence or something else?
Maybe still too early to tell?
Just my observation fwiw, I have no smack down to add!
Ps
Go the DH World cups
&
Go the Real World Cup!
&
Go the All Whites
On his bike, this is total e-speculation and no inside info or anything purely discussion talk.
But to me this years Demo seems more compact, maybe an illusion of exaggerated swoopy tubes? but looks even shorter in the TT than last years Sam Hill Demo ver!
The thing is what we forget in these threads is the sheer speeds Sam goes compared to us mere mortals and many of us who think they go fast, apart from wheel base and angles these matter at speed for stability, these guys know how to corner they don't need help as much as some of us here with a more compact setup!
For ex the Sunday even in std prod vers has had a much longer TT for a given WB over most other prod frames out there, Sams sml Sunday ran longer TTs for given wheel base, this adds significantly to stability when ramming ****.
If you watch any video of Sam esp in slow mo in his Sunday days, one of his key elements to his riding over others is his upper body stillness no matter how hard he rams stuff, corners, jumps, this creates stability and imo a lot of his speed secrets in the rough, but in the end its a total package, rider bike, setup desire, then technique!
I'm not so sure his new Demo is providing the same setup [forget material].
And now even more important on these tracks, even Peaty went back supposedly to his normal bike the Stallion named because it was so big even compared to Minnars in the front tri, that said hes been tied up with lots of off the bike stuff in the off season, Maybe GM even with his early season inury has had more time to get used to the newer V10?
So for Peaty how much time has he had trying to get used to the new lower slacker V10, maybe it dosen't suit him as well as the higher static geo and stepper static angles of the older V10, missing out on so much training time seems to be hurting him more I suspect but as World Champ he deserves it?
But it does show as Ive read here many times pros often stick with what they know because it works for them, not because they haven't tried other options, because they test stuff to heck, sometimes what works with ya style is best, like wide bars, I love em but I was riding wide bars back in the 80s & 90s doing Moto its taken way too long to come into MTB, but hey its not for everyone, I remember though Peaty and Rennie running bar extenders years ago too, some things work some don't.
So Sams bike is it a contributing factor for his Style, though seems it may suit Brendon F?
Sams been running those wheels for years btw!
2 of the biggest dominant riders so far this year are not dominating! Peaty & Hill....
Both on totally new rigs, just e spec or coincidence or something else?
Maybe still too early to tell?
Just my observation fwiw, I have no smack down to add!
Ps
Go the DH World cups
&
Go the Real World Cup!
&
Go the All Whites
Hope Sam gets back on the bike and to his usual ways soon especially before Champery!
On his bike, this is total e-speculation and no inside info or anything purely discussion talk.
But to me this years Demo seems more compact, maybe an illusion of exaggerated swoopy tubes? but looks even shorter in the TT than last years Sam Hill Demo ver!
The thing is what we forget in these threads is the sheer speeds Sam goes compared to us mere mortals and many of us who think they go fast, apart from wheel base and angles these matter at speed for stability, these guys know how to corner they don't need help as much as some of us here with a more compact setup!
For ex the Sunday even in std prod vers has had a much longer TT for a given WB over most other prod frames out there, Sams sml Sunday ran longer TTs for given wheel base, this adds significantly to stability when ramming ****.
If you watch any video of Sam esp in slow mo in his Sunday days, one of his key elements to his riding over others is his upper body stillness no matter how hard he rams stuff, corners, jumps, this creates stability and imo a lot of his speed secrets in the rough, but in the end its a total package, rider bike, setup desire, then technique!
I'm not so sure his new Demo is providing the same setup [forget material].
And now even more important on these tracks, even Peaty went back supposedly to his normal bike the Stallion named because it was so big even compared to Minnars in the front tri, that said hes been tied up with lots of off the bike stuff in the off season, Maybe GM even with his early season inury has had more time to get used to the newer V10?
So for Peaty how much time has he had trying to get used to the new lower slacker V10, maybe it dosen't suit him as well as the higher static geo and stepper static angles of the older V10, missing out on so much training time seems to be hurting him more I suspect but as World Champ he deserves it?
But it does show as Ive read here many times pros often stick with what they know because it works for them, not because they haven't tried other options, because they test stuff to heck, sometimes what works with ya style is best, like wide bars, I love em but I was riding wide bars back in the 80s & 90s doing Moto its taken way too long to come into MTB, but hey its not for everyone, I remember though Peaty and Rennie running bar extenders years ago too, some things work some don't.
So Sams bike is it a contributing factor for his Style, though seems it may suit Brendon F?
Sams been running those wheels for years btw!
2 of the biggest dominant riders so far this year are not dominating! Peaty & Hill....
Both on totally new rigs, just e spec or coincidence or something else?
Maybe still too early to tell?
Just my observation fwiw, I have no smack down to add!
Ps
Go the DH World cups
&
Go the Real World Cup!
&
Go the All Whites
let's clear up some E-spec for you....
Sam's new bike is what Sam asked for... not something he was meerly given by specialized. So let's assume it suits him just fine.
as for the Santa Cruz... those bikes were finished right before the season. Greg rode one for a day after Seaotter before the whole team got new bikes at a training/testing camp before Maribor.
they tested old bikes, new bikes different settings, etc all with timed runs and all went faster on the new bikes. All of this info was reiterated in interviews with riders, owners and engineers at Santa Cruz and posted on multiple websites (RM, Vital, Dirt, etc)
Steve has not ridden/raced anything other than his new carbon v-10 since taking delivery of it. wherever you got the idea he went back to his old bike, forget about it.
do you think for a minute thayt the changes from the old v-10 to the new were not made at the request of the riders? they are the driving force behind all changes and evolution of the Santa Cruz V-10. it is not a case of the riders being forced onto something that they did not request in the first place.
for the amount of time people spend trying to over think, speculate, and invent things, if you spent half the time reading the text next to and under photos you might actually gain some real knowledge
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Do you have to be such a DICK all the time Dave or such a right fighter!let's clear up some E-spec for you....
Sam's new bike is what Sam asked for... not something he was meerly given by specialized. So let's assume it suits him just fine.
as for the Santa Cruz... those bikes were finished right before the season. Greg rode one for a day after Seaotter before the whole team got new bikes at a training/testing camp before Maribor.
they tested old bikes, new bikes different settings, etc all with timed runs and all went faster on the new bikes. All of this info was reiterated in interviews with riders, owners and engineers at Santa Cruz and posted on multiple websites (RM, Vital, Dirt, etc)
Steve has not ridden/raced anything other than his new carbon v-10 since taking delivery of it. wherever you got the idea he went back to his old bike, forget about it.
do you think for a minute thayt the changes from the old v-10 to the new were not made at the request of the riders? they are the driving force behind all changes and evolution of the Santa Cruz V-10. it is not a case of the riders being forced onto something that they did not request in the first place.
for the amount of time people spend trying to over think, speculate, and invent things, if you spent half the time reading the text next to and under photos you might actually gain some real knowledge
I know all that, I said as much in my intro about why I was suggesting what I was.
Man I was going to reply to DWs thread but u sum it up, CLICKS within Cliks!
Forums about points of view irrelevant or stupid how ever U might categorize it!
Not about so called right fighter dickheads like u all the time!
I don't know if you get off by being a so called tough guy all the time or ya just insecure or just an angry over bearing Yank.
Probably all the above! grow up and let people share there opinions, however stupid were not all sheep that follow your herd AW
Ive no doubt Sam's got the bike he asked for developed etc, does that mean he got it right not necessarily.
But maybe, I'm just throwing it out there, I'm not making excuses for him or anyone, just a point of view!
It's DH and **** happens and always will that's why its one of the greatest sports out there imo!
And in no way am I suggesting Speccy made a bad bike or forced him into riding something he dosen't like, Specchy from what Ive seen are fully behind what Sam wants and suits the team.
Same for the Syndicate!
I'm just raising a possibility, same with SP, Im sure it was great where it/they were tested, even you said it was a late arrival, that does not mean it suits the tracks them but maybe it does time will tell that.
GM seems dialed and I said that as I did also with Brendog!
It doesn't mean it suits everyone or that maybe the enveloped t go to the next level is pushed a bit too far when others have consolidated have a great platform they know in heat of battle!
Maybe just a bit much to get used to this early in the season, remembering its a short season.
And the Syndicate are trying allot of new the this year all at once.
Sometimes that leads and sometimes that bleeds.
Props to them though.
I just hope to see both Peaty and Sam back at the top soon, esp Peaty hes a bloody legend.
Go Peaty! Still my pick for Worlds @ Mt St Anne!
"Go the Lakers", go the "All Whites"!
Braaaaaaaaap..
But maybe, I'm just throwing it out there, I'm not making excuses for him or anyone, just a point of view!
It's DH and **** happens and always will that's why its one of the greatest sports out there imo!
And in no way am I suggesting Speccy made a bad bike or forced him into riding something he dosen't like, Specchy from what Ive seen are fully behind what Sam wants and suits the team.
Same for the Syndicate!
I'm just raising a possibility, same with SP, Im sure it was great where it/they were tested, even you said it was a late arrival, that does not mean it suits the tracks them but maybe it does time will tell that.
GM seems dialed and I said that as I did also with Brendog!
It doesn't mean it suits everyone or that maybe the enveloped t go to the next level is pushed a bit too far when others have consolidated have a great platform they know in heat of battle!
Maybe just a bit much to get used to this early in the season, remembering its a short season.
And the Syndicate are trying allot of new the this year all at once.
Sometimes that leads and sometimes that bleeds.
Props to them though.
I just hope to see both Peaty and Sam back at the top soon, esp Peaty hes a bloody legend.
Go Peaty! Still my pick for Worlds @ Mt St Anne!
"Go the Lakers", go the "All Whites"!
Braaaaaaaaap..
He is human. He crashed, he survived, he will race again.
/thread.
/thread.
you developed a bunch of "theories" based on incorrect facts.... sorry if I thought that made you sound ridiculous, but your argument is based on stuff you made up in your head.... i guess I find that weird.
I am all for discussions on here based on intelligent arguments....
but saying sam's bike doesn't fit him and he isn't used to it and comparing it to a custom Sunday from two seasons ago based on video you watched in slow motion is, well, not that discussion worthy... somehow insinuating that this caused crashes and whatnot is beyond a stretch when it's based on your analysis of slow motion video.
same goes for Santa Cruz... Steve did not go back to his old bike, but somehow you justified your argument based around saying that he did. the whole team tested different bikes and different setups with actual timed runs. they are running the setup that they went faster on. new bike or not, getting used to it or not, the clock in their testing did not lie, and it is faster for them.
sorry if I blew a bunch of holes in your "theories" and hurt your feelings. But you come off as quite naive when it comes to how top WC riders pick, test, and race equipment.
here's my theory... Sam crashed because he made a mistake, Steve ha struggled because he is just not up to pace yet when it counts. I am gonna say the riders made the difference.... not the top tube lengths, wheelbases, carbon frames, or Leatt braces or whatever the e spec tech jokeys want to theorize about.
so let's just agree to disagree then
next time throw down some facts, make draw a conclusion based on those facts, and have a discussion.
until then.... i guess i will just come across as a dick to you, and you will come off as a (i'll leave the name calling up to you)
I am all for discussions on here based on intelligent arguments....
but saying sam's bike doesn't fit him and he isn't used to it and comparing it to a custom Sunday from two seasons ago based on video you watched in slow motion is, well, not that discussion worthy... somehow insinuating that this caused crashes and whatnot is beyond a stretch when it's based on your analysis of slow motion video.
same goes for Santa Cruz... Steve did not go back to his old bike, but somehow you justified your argument based around saying that he did. the whole team tested different bikes and different setups with actual timed runs. they are running the setup that they went faster on. new bike or not, getting used to it or not, the clock in their testing did not lie, and it is faster for them.
sorry if I blew a bunch of holes in your "theories" and hurt your feelings. But you come off as quite naive when it comes to how top WC riders pick, test, and race equipment.
here's my theory... Sam crashed because he made a mistake, Steve ha struggled because he is just not up to pace yet when it counts. I am gonna say the riders made the difference.... not the top tube lengths, wheelbases, carbon frames, or Leatt braces or whatever the e spec tech jokeys want to theorize about.
so let's just agree to disagree then
next time throw down some facts, make draw a conclusion based on those facts, and have a discussion.
until then.... i guess i will just come across as a dick to you, and you will come off as a (i'll leave the name calling up to you
)
I still just want to see a video of it happening
im sure some cell phone cam video will pop up on youtube
Are these just random quotes from you or are you trying to say something???
Do they teach proper sentence structure in NZ?
i couldnt get one legitimate point out of the post...
Nothing you say actually makes any sense.
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verb (used without object)
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2. to take a course with many turns or windings, as a stream or path.
3. to grow in a random, unsystematic fashion: The vine rambled over the walls and tree trunks.
4. to talk or write in a discursive, aimless way (usually fol. by on ): The speaker rambled on with anecdote after anecdote.
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and, my dear kiwi friend, the All Whites will get their asses kicked by everyone in their group: italy, paraguay and slovakia (although they might even score a goal against slovakia...) but no way they will score two goals as they did against scotland in '82. or does wynton rufer still play??? ;-)
OK PorkPie have you learned your lesson?
Now be careful what you type.
And the rest of you just remember that Dave is watching. Maybe even when you are offline so always wipe your a$$ and wash your hands after you use the restroom.
Now be careful what you type.
And the rest of you just remember that Dave is watching. Maybe even when you are offline so always wipe your a$$ and wash your hands after you use the restroom.
It's obvious what caused the crash - GOT TUBELESS?
Sam Hill Shoulder Injury Update
Here’s a quick Sam Hill update from Monster/Specialized Team Manager, Sean Heimdal:
As most of you know, Sam had a pretty big training crash in Fort William that he was fortunate enough to walk away from with limited damage. Since then, Sam has flown back home to get an MRI on his injured shoulder and be in the close comfort of his family, friends, and coach. Though we don’t know the extent of the injury at this time, he will be missing the UCI World Cup in Leogang, and we’ll keep you informed with his progress over the next couple weeks.
Sam is pretty upset about what’s happened…not only for the personal goals he had set for himself this season, but also the fact that he’s not going to be out there pushing the limits for you all to watch in person or on Freecaster. Sam loves to ride hard, elevate the sport, push the competition, and backing down just isn’t in his vocabulary. The competition shouldn’t take this as a gift because he’ll bounce back stronger than ever.
Thank you all for your continued support!
http://www.vitalmtb.com/news/news/Sam-Hill-Shoulder-Injury-Update,120?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+VitalMtbSpotlights+(Vital+MTB+Spotlights)
Here’s a quick Sam Hill update from Monster/Specialized Team Manager, Sean Heimdal:
As most of you know, Sam had a pretty big training crash in Fort William that he was fortunate enough to walk away from with limited damage. Since then, Sam has flown back home to get an MRI on his injured shoulder and be in the close comfort of his family, friends, and coach. Though we don’t know the extent of the injury at this time, he will be missing the UCI World Cup in Leogang, and we’ll keep you informed with his progress over the next couple weeks.
Sam is pretty upset about what’s happened…not only for the personal goals he had set for himself this season, but also the fact that he’s not going to be out there pushing the limits for you all to watch in person or on Freecaster. Sam loves to ride hard, elevate the sport, push the competition, and backing down just isn’t in his vocabulary. The competition shouldn’t take this as a gift because he’ll bounce back stronger than ever.
Thank you all for your continued support!
http://www.vitalmtb.com/news/news/Sam-Hill-Shoulder-Injury-Update,120?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+VitalMtbSpotlights+(Vital+MTB+Spotlights)
this just sucks. The wc this year will be between Gee and Minnaar, Peat seems to be out with points, Barel is out on injury, Rennie is retired this year. It will be interesting to see who comes up though...
Gwin for sure is stepping it up.
Brendan needs to peddal,
who else?
Gwin for sure is stepping it up.
Brendan needs to peddal,
who else?
As much fun as it is to see Sam get beat by underdogs, it sucks to see him out because of how this was supposed to be his "perfect season." Anybody who wins the races he doesn't attend will have the "but what if Hill had raced that day?" question kind of clouding their glory. Let's hope he's back soon.
sucks that he's injured, but relieved to see he made the wise decision to allow himself proper time to heal.
Not sure I agree with this statement. There are a few guys who are capable of winning the series, Hill was one of them but he cocked up (twice) and now he won't. Staying injury free is just one of the many things that go into winning a WC overall and Sam has failed at that this year. Who ever does win will not have failed.
Sam should have less time drinking over the off season and more time preparing.
That was sarcasm right?
Sorry guys but the recluse Sam was less prone to getting hurt and making small mental mistakes.
He needs to go back into hiding and concentrate on riding not partying.
He needs to go back into hiding and concentrate on riding not partying.