Hey......look I called it!!!! I shoulda been a bookie!
Quoted for truthiness.
I don't think true MMA lends itself well to bigger guys IMO. I think 205 is pushing it, but is a good balance between serious KO power and ground speed (Anderson Silva).
I can vibe with this notion
Physique ain't sh!t. Look at Fedor. Chubby dude with hardly any muscle tone. He's fast as hell and got hella knockout power.
THey say more muscle needs more oxygen. That's why those guys that are all ripped end up gassing out quick. Ricardo Arona is a great example.
I think it's about time that Roy fights someone in the HW class that doesn't suck. Give him Gonzaga. That would probably be a really interesting fight.
THey say more muscle needs more oxygen. That's why those guys that are all ripped end up gassing out quick. Ricardo Arona is a great example.
I think it's about time that Roy fights someone in the HW class that doesn't suck. Give him Gonzaga. That would probably be a really interesting fight.
If Roy got himself into shape, he'd be a hell of a 205'r.
Sanjuro did say premier class for knockout power. I agree its not the premier class though, would much rather see a Amir Khan, Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao fight. Personally I think boxing needs to have unified titles once again and then we'll see the level of competitiveness step up a few notch's in the heavyweight division which has been plagued by sandbaggers just out there to make some money(insert Valuev and co.) and not put on top class fights.
And as for the arguement that more muscle needs more fuel and thats why you dont see many defined, built MMA light heavyweights. If boxers like David Haye last 12 rounds, I cant see why an well built, defined MMA fighter cant last 3. Look at one of the most tiring physical martial arts out there, Judo. The best Judoka in the world are the epitome of physical perfection. One of the guys I used to train with, Ancel Lupke, fought 105+kg(235lb+) with +-12% bodyfat and he got 13th at junior worlds a few years ago.
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Did you guys see who the "new" coaches are? Obviously it is team "franklin" now, not team Ortiz, but then they tried to hide the assistanc coaches till next week. Well if you look closely at the previews for next week you will see none other than Jake Shields in the background. The interesting thing is that he is in a blue shirt. Maybe just his street clothes thouhg.
Great. Jake Shields=lay n pray black belt. That guy can't finish fights for sh!t. He doesn't even try to finish guys. He just gets top control and patty cakes them for 5 rounds. Blah.
I've actually never seen a Judo fight. Isn't it similar to a JJ match?
I've actually never seen a Judo fight. Isn't it similar to a JJ match?
Traditional Jiu Jitsu has 2 types of matches. (BJJ Starts on the ground and stays there)
Duo games and Fighting.
Fighting has 2 fighters fighting each other with kicks, punches, throws and ground game.
Duo games is like a 2 person Kata, consisting of an attacker and a defender.
Judo is 2 guys attacking eachother with throws, locks and strangleholds only.
Duo games and Fighting.
Fighting has 2 fighters fighting each other with kicks, punches, throws and ground game.
Duo games is like a 2 person Kata, consisting of an attacker and a defender.
Judo is 2 guys attacking eachother with throws, locks and strangleholds only.
hmmm..seems to me like Dana is trying to punish Tito for backing out. Maybe there's still bad blood between them??
I would agree that the bad blood is part of it. But after the Evans/Rampage fight didn't happen, I don't think Dana wanted to not have a coach fight for this season.
I would venture a guess that Dana KNOWS Chuck still has Tito's number and was hoping he might go away after a 3rd loss to Chuck. I don't know about the Ace/Chuck fight. I don't think Franklin is big enough for 205 and might get his head knocked off.
Franklin was good at 185. If it wasn't for that one dude...
Here's a video. Not a fight from A-Z but it gets the point across.
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Forrest Griffin, Gray Maynard and Tyson Griffin
I don't follow boxing like I used to, but back in the ancient days of Ali, Frazier, and Foreman, heavyweights were king.
Seeing judo throws in MMA is very cool, but I assume the skill level is not there with most fighters (and I believe the lack of a gi prevents it from being especially effective).
But I hope there will be Lyoto Machida for Judo. It is cool when you see guys getting tossed.
Seeing judo throws in MMA is very cool, but I assume the skill level is not there with most fighters (and I believe the lack of a gi prevents it from being especially effective).
But I hope there will be Lyoto Machida for Judo. It is cool when you see guys getting tossed.
It also looks like win/lose/draw Silva is going to 205 after his next fight. So even if Chael gets his ass handed to him, he might still get first shot at the title once vacant.
So what was Jake Sheilds doing there? He fights out of the Gracie camp in Sacto (with the Diaz Bros), so it isn't like he is BFF with any of the coaches.
I don't get one thing though... there are parts of Judo that while they may score "judo" points, they would be counter productive in MMA. With some of those throws, yeah, you get the other guy down, but in some of them it looks like you also give up your back at the same time...
Yeah, you threw me down, but you set me up perfectly to apply a RNC.
U only get the points in Judo if youre controlling the other person.
Not just by throwing someone and landing in a bad position.
Not just by throwing someone and landing in a bad position.
NOBODY gets along with anyone from the Gracie camp. That Jake Shields brawl was awesome.So what was Jake Sheilds doing there? He fights out of the Gracie camp in Sacto (with the Diaz Bros), so it isn't like he is BFF with any of the coaches.
Judo awards points for throws and depending on how well you throw your oppnent, scores range from the lowest, koka, to the highest, and outright win, ippon. It also awards ippon for a tap out, and the koka through to ippon score system is applied to a "hold"(holding your opponent consists of controling your opponent with while he is on his back, your score dependant on the time you manage to control the opponent. That said, most fights dont end because of an ippon from a throw.
That said, a few situations in a judo fight place the advantage squarely with one fighter where the true advantage in an MMA fight would be with the other fighter. A skilled judoka would adapt very fast though so i dont really see it as a problem.
As for throws putting the judoka doing the throwing in a disadvantaged position, i disagree. Every throw out there, if performed correctly, puts the thrower in a controlling position that he can then transition to his ground game very easily with a variety of holds, strangles and locks available to him. In an MMA fight, if you're being controlled, you're at the mercy of the other fighter.
So in summary, Judo by itself is not suffiecient on its own(unless you're at a level of 7th dan or above, where they train with strikes) but gives a fighter a great base to build on by adding strikes for MMA. Fedor's official listed fighting style is Judo and he's not too bad.
From personal experience. We've had many of our local judoka, while not overly big, bounce at night clubs successfully. And one Polish coach, at 70 years old, ended up being challenged to a MMA fight by one of the bouncers in town with a huge reputation for being able to handle himself in a fight. The old man upped the stakes and told him he'd accept defeat if the bouncer lasted 30 seconds, he lasted 13 before tapping out to an old man.
That said, a few situations in a judo fight place the advantage squarely with one fighter where the true advantage in an MMA fight would be with the other fighter. A skilled judoka would adapt very fast though so i dont really see it as a problem.
As for throws putting the judoka doing the throwing in a disadvantaged position, i disagree. Every throw out there, if performed correctly, puts the thrower in a controlling position that he can then transition to his ground game very easily with a variety of holds, strangles and locks available to him. In an MMA fight, if you're being controlled, you're at the mercy of the other fighter.
So in summary, Judo by itself is not suffiecient on its own(unless you're at a level of 7th dan or above, where they train with strikes) but gives a fighter a great base to build on by adding strikes for MMA. Fedor's official listed fighting style is Judo and he's not too bad.
From personal experience. We've had many of our local judoka, while not overly big, bounce at night clubs successfully. And one Polish coach, at 70 years old, ended up being challenged to a MMA fight by one of the bouncers in town with a huge reputation for being able to handle himself in a fight. The old man upped the stakes and told him he'd accept defeat if the bouncer lasted 30 seconds, he lasted 13 before tapping out to an old man.
that karo guy whos addicted to pain pills was a big judo guy
and i think fedors sambo is similar to judo
and i think fedors sambo is similar to judo
At one stage Sambo and judo were considered one in the same in Russia, I'm not familiar with the differences though wikipedia states Sambo is a decendant art of judo.
He's medalled at the Russian Championships for judo, and trust me, the russians are some of the best in the world and is a former Sambo world champion.
So....Liddell/Franklin in a little under 47 hours...
(Winnars in bold)
Liddell - Franklin
Crocop - Barry
Thiago - Kampmann
Rothwell - Yvel
The rest I have no idea who they are...except for Tyson Griffin and Mac Danzig...but I don't know about their competition.
Dunno if I'm going to be able to catch this event though...
(Winnars in bold)
Liddell - Franklin
Crocop - Barry
Thiago - Kampmann
Rothwell - Yvel
The rest I have no idea who they are...except for Tyson Griffin and Mac Danzig...but I don't know about their competition.
Dunno if I'm going to be able to catch this event though...
If you look back at the first MMA matches, there was some question about which would be the best style. At the time, technically, there were no mixed martial arts, since everyone had only one style.
Naturally BJJ dominated. I like this documentary film, which sums up the failures of the other styles.
Today, every successful fighter is cross trained with wrestling, BJJ, boxing, and muay thai; but I like it when a fighter has one strong skill and uses it to dominate.
As for judo, bouncing, and street fighting, judo seems like the best skill for bouncing. I believe most club security isn't beating on a drunk guy, but subduing him, and most people are worthless when they are lying on their back.
I wish though there would be a documentary show where a MMA fighter picks bar fights and just slams his opponents. Like a 5'9" lightweight.
Remember that time when the Ultimate Warrior totally owned Hulk Hogan? That was cool huh?
Seems like the Gracies have fazed out a bit. Now it just seems like nobody gets along with the Diaz brothers.
This will be interesting. Finally some real competition for Roy.
Thursday, June 10, 2010
by Brian Knapp (bknapp@sherdog.com)
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Surging Brazilian heavyweight contender Junior dos Santos will lock horns with “The Ultimate Fighter” Season 10 winner Roy Nelson in a featured heavyweight duel at UFC 117 “Silva vs. Sonnen” on Aug. 7 at the Oracle Arena in Oakland, Calif. Nine fights are now official for the event.
Dos Santos, believed to be on a short list of heavyweight title contenders, will ride a six-fight winning streak into the bout. The 25-year-old last appeared in March, when he stopped Gabriel Gonzaga on first-round punches at UFC on Versus 1 in Broomfield, Colo. Victories against 2006 Pride Fighting Championships open weight grand prix winner Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic, the world-ranked Fabricio Werdum and Dutch knockout artist Gilbert Yvel anchor his resume. Dos Santos has finished all five of his opponents, four of them inside one round, since he made his Octagon debut in October 2008.
A former International Fight League champion, Nelson has not competed since he flattened the 6-foot-11 Stefan Struve in 39 seconds at UFC Fight Night 21 three months ago. The 33-year-old has been finished only once -- by former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski -- in 19 professional appearances. A Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Renzo Gracie, Nelson has delivered 12 of his 15 career victories by knockout, technical knockout or submission.
A middleweight title fight between embattled champion Anderson Silva and outspoken challenger Chael Sonnen will headline UFC 117, which will also feature a welterweight matchup between hall of famer Matt Hughes and former King of Pancrase Ricardo Almeida.
Thursday, June 10, 2010
by Brian Knapp (bknapp@sherdog.com)
24976
Surging Brazilian heavyweight contender Junior dos Santos will lock horns with “The Ultimate Fighter” Season 10 winner Roy Nelson in a featured heavyweight duel at UFC 117 “Silva vs. Sonnen” on Aug. 7 at the Oracle Arena in Oakland, Calif. Nine fights are now official for the event.
Dos Santos, believed to be on a short list of heavyweight title contenders, will ride a six-fight winning streak into the bout. The 25-year-old last appeared in March, when he stopped Gabriel Gonzaga on first-round punches at UFC on Versus 1 in Broomfield, Colo. Victories against 2006 Pride Fighting Championships open weight grand prix winner Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic, the world-ranked Fabricio Werdum and Dutch knockout artist Gilbert Yvel anchor his resume. Dos Santos has finished all five of his opponents, four of them inside one round, since he made his Octagon debut in October 2008.
A former International Fight League champion, Nelson has not competed since he flattened the 6-foot-11 Stefan Struve in 39 seconds at UFC Fight Night 21 three months ago. The 33-year-old has been finished only once -- by former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski -- in 19 professional appearances. A Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Renzo Gracie, Nelson has delivered 12 of his 15 career victories by knockout, technical knockout or submission.
A middleweight title fight between embattled champion Anderson Silva and outspoken challenger Chael Sonnen will headline UFC 117, which will also feature a welterweight matchup between hall of famer Matt Hughes and former King of Pancrase Ricardo Almeida.
There is a possibility I will attend this fight.
Personally, I rather watch it on tv, but a good friend and big fan of MMA has never been to a fight. I went to the first MMA fight in California, a Strikeforce event, and that was good enough for me.
But what I am hoping for is to see Dos Santos do a spinning back kick into Roy Nelson's gut. But I bet Nelson will cut weight for the fight. He better.
Personally, I rather watch it on tv, but a good friend and big fan of MMA has never been to a fight. I went to the first MMA fight in California, a Strikeforce event, and that was good enough for me.
But what I am hoping for is to see Dos Santos do a spinning back kick into Roy Nelson's gut. But I bet Nelson will cut weight for the fight. He better.
Dos is gonna work the gunt. He throws mean body shots and knees to the gunt. I can't wait to see that fight. He better be careful though. That damn Roy can put a person down with one good punch. I'm going to be kinda pissed if he beats Dos Santos.
THere's a UFC coming to Utah finally, but it's going to be on a sunday. It's not a very good fight card either. I'm not going to attend. I'd like to see Jon Jones fight, but other than that there isn't a fight I'd like to see.
THere's a UFC coming to Utah finally, but it's going to be on a sunday. It's not a very good fight card either. I'm not going to attend. I'd like to see Jon Jones fight, but other than that there isn't a fight I'd like to see.
danzig got screwed in his fight ! the one prelim fight i was looking forward to and i got up to get a beer and by the time i got back the fight was over . he wasn't even out so i have no clue what the ref was seeing , but danzig handle it with class .
I ended up ordering the PPV last night and was not disappointed at all. Rory Macdonald and Carlos Condit was a BATTLE. Great back and forth. Macdonal took a beating in the end. Crop Cop and Pat Berry was very very good. Once Berry started to slow down Cro Cop did his thing...huge combos and pinpoint striking. Really strong finish too...jumped on him for the rear naked.
Chuck's time fighting is done. I've been a fan and always will but he's gotta know when to step down. He's still dangerous but he's gonna get himself seriously hurt...can't take too many knockouts like this one and the one against Rashad Evans. He should go fulltime coaching...he could help improve/turnout some huge fighters with his skill and knowledge. Franklin's left arm was broken from a kick early in and he continued to throw with it - what a beast.
UFC 116 FOR THE WIN. July 3rd...one of the best cards ive seen....ever. Bananas.
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.home&eid=3262
Chuck's time fighting is done. I've been a fan and always will but he's gotta know when to step down. He's still dangerous but he's gonna get himself seriously hurt...can't take too many knockouts like this one and the one against Rashad Evans. He should go fulltime coaching...he could help improve/turnout some huge fighters with his skill and knowledge. Franklin's left arm was broken from a kick early in and he continued to throw with it - what a beast.
UFC 116 FOR THE WIN. July 3rd...one of the best cards ive seen....ever. Bananas.
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.home&eid=3262
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At least Chuck was still able to enjoy his night:
Best strike of the night - axe kick!
And the finish
Full gallery:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?pn=1&fa=MultiMedia.GalleryImgList&gid=796
If anyone is looking to watch the fights online in good quality send me a pm and i'll direct you.
And the finish
Full gallery:
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?pn=1&fa=MultiMedia.GalleryImgList&gid=796
If anyone is looking to watch the fights online in good quality send me a pm and i'll direct you.
LOL! Really... poor Franklin... he moved up cuz he couldn't beat Silva, and now Silva is moving up. I bet he wakes up at night with nightmares of skinny brown knees flying at his nose.
As for the latest fights:
Really Chuck... KO'd again.
The Icedman.
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I call shenanigans. I wanna see the xray of this "broken" arm. MMA fighters get some nasty, sick injuries, but are also prone to "my spleen flew across the ring and out under a chair...I swear!" bs lies at times too.
Franklin seems legit and all, but a broken arm?
Franklin seems legit and all, but a broken arm?
Tell me you wouldn't? Both fights Franklin got beat down like a little bitch. The worst of it is Franklin was crushing dudes before Silva came to the UFC. His face is a constant reminder of those beatings.I bet he wakes up at night with nightmares of skinny brown knees flying at his nose.
As for the latest fights:
Really Chuck... KO'd again.
Chuck was done 2 years ago. He wanted to go out with a KO of Tito and I don't blame him.
Fuk no I wouldn't! I'd be like Fuk you Spider! Now eat my roundhouse backflip superman elbow chicken fried scorpion overhand rear naked left uppercut to the friggin liver. He'd be eating through his ass after that move.
Roundhouse backflip superman elbow chicken fried scorpion overhand rear naked left uppercut Patent pending.
This might do it... probably fractured right near his wrist. I'd believe it.