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2011 boxxer wc changes

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ChrisKring

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some random guy had one at the US Open. I wish the bike had a rear shock sprung for my weight so that I could have beat the guy with a wiffleball bat and taken his bike for a ride. ;)

I really like my 2010 that I have been riding for a little over a year. No issues and the performance is great. Much better wheel tracking due to the stiffer chassis. I would like a ride on the 2011.
 
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boogenman

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chillindrdude said:
what? no DLC coating???;)
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The article is from May the DLC was not released then was it?

I hope they keep that crap off the 2011 model, I planning on buying the 2011 Boxxer if it does NOT have DLC. I was unlucky enough to have a 2003 WC with Ti nitride along with a 2004 and 2005 with slippery silver, all of them did not look or work so hot after half a season. I'm not playing the role of a SRAM guinea pig again.
 
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Commencal-guy

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I got to ride the 2011 wc at the Open, and the truth of the matter is...

it really doesn't feel any different compared to the 2010's

Not saying that the changes didn't do anything, however it wasn't noticeable.
 
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ekimox

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Commencal-guy said:
I got to ride the 2011 wc at the Open, and the truth of the matter is...

it really doesn't feel any different compared to the 2010's

Not saying that the changes didn't do anything, however it wasn't noticeable.
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What you didn't notice is that you were 0.00239876 seconds faster because of the slicker coating or updated knobs. Totally worth the upgrade IMO.
 
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ekimox said:
What you didn't notice is that you were 0.00239876 seconds faster because of the slicker coating or updated knobs. Totally worth the upgrade IMO.
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Hahaha :rofl:

Today I turned some knobs on a 2010 team and they really sucks.... Good to see that they have new ones coming out
 
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Commencal-guy said:
I got to ride the 2011 wc at the Open, and the truth of the matter is...

it really doesn't feel any different compared to the 2010's

Not saying that the changes didn't do anything, however it wasn't noticeable.
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Uhh... does riding in the parking lot for 20 seconds really count for much?
 
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batts65

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I noticed QBP has them in their catalog, not yet in stock. They list the WC as a WC Solo Air and it looks like they are ditching the Race and Team names. Maybe this is old news??? The Race is listed as Boxxer RC and the Team is now listed as Boxxer R2C2. Very small price increase on each model, about $20 retail.
 
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batts65 said:
I noticed QBP has them in their catalog, not yet in stock. They list the WC as a WC Solo Air and it looks like they are ditching the Race and Team names. Maybe this is old news??? The Race is listed as Boxxer RC and the Team is now listed as Boxxer R2C2. Very small price increase on each model, about $20 retail.
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New nomenclature for 2011.

 
IH8Rice

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batts65 said:
They list the WC as a WC Solo Air and it looks like they are ditching the Race and Team names. Maybe this is old news???
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there was a article/press release explaining how they want to simplify their name lineup


i of course, cannot find the article
 
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IH8Rice said:
there was a article/press release explaining how they want to simplify their name lineup


i of course, cannot find the article
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SIMPLIFY? Move from Race, Team, WC to RC, R2C2, WCti3XDD, D4GluTiFRO?

the hell? I hate marzocchi for their nomenclature...can't be bothered to figure out whether I need a RC23Ti or a RC or a R2C WC3 or whatever.
 
Bikael Molton

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Two questions:

1) are these coming into stock now/soon? I see a couple online retailers listing Coil R2C2s. Anyone have an ETA for WCs shipping?

2) Do Totem/Lyrik Maxle FR axles fit 35mm Boxxers?
 
Castle

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Are there any differences to the 2011 Team? R2C2?

New knobs and gradient sag measurements on the stanchions Any internal changes or anything else?

I haven't been able to find any info. and didn't think I needed to start a new thread....
 
Bikael Molton

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Castle - the article that OP linked says:

"The Boxxer, on the other hand, gets a retuned Mission Control DH damper and new adjuster knobs, plus a new, lighter and stiffer Maxle Lite DH through-axle. The top-end World Cup model also gets a new Solo Air spring design."
 
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Steve M

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ChrisKring said:
some random guy had one at the US Open. I wish the bike had a rear shock sprung for my weight so that I could have beat the guy with a wiffleball bat and taken his bike for a ride. ;)

I really like my 2010 that I have been riding for a little over a year. No issues and the performance is great. Much better wheel tracking due to the stiffer chassis. I would like a ride on the 2011.
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Really? I have one and I gotta say, I don't like the thing. It's pretty sticky no matter how often I service it and lube the seals (even after I sanded the bushings which did seem to help slightly), I really dislike the air spring rate for its initial stiffness and lack of mid-stroke support, the compression assembly is pretty crude and needs reshimming (as well as actual modifications IMO) to not be harsh, small bump sensitivity is more or less craptacular, and the seals blow very quickly (mine has had 35ish days on it and already needs its 3rd set of seals, which is completely ridiculous). The foam ring underneath the air piston also managed to jam itself in the piston somehow because it's not even a remotely tight fit on the piston. Having pulled everything apart and tested all the moving parts separately, it's kinda messed up because no one thing is excessively sticky, but nothing other than the damper shaft is particularly free-moving either, and it all adds up to a fork that feels woeful compared to the Foxes and Marzocchis getting round (and especially my old Boxxer which I am regretting having sold). Yet to feel a WC that feels any better either. The seal thing in particular is like going back in time 10 years, that stuff really should be sorted by now. I don't understand why everyone hasn't just copied Marzocchi's seal setups, they seem to be extremely reliable and long lasting as well as very free-moving.

On the plus side, it hasn't snapped yet or failed catastrophically, touch wood. Will be trying a coil spring leg at some point to see if that helps with the small bump absorption because I rode a Team today that felt better, though still not amazing.

Honestly I think SRAM/RS are more interested in fitting more "adjustments" to the fork than actually making it work well by manufacturing stuff with good tolerances. Oh well, at least for next year they've made the knobs more comfortable to turn... hooray.
 
William42

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My roommates boxxer team feels pretty darn good, but not as good for small bump as my 40rc2 does, and I get similar usable compression out of my fork.
 
LOOnatic

LOOnatic

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rpet said:
jeez, is it really as bad as Socket says?
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I dont doubt socket as he is a major boxxer nerd but i have noticed that boxxer forks do come assembled poorly and that the lubrication oil volume(the 15w oil in the lowers) is lower than on the older 32mm versions.
This leads to the fork needing even more frequent oil changes in the lowers and is a big factor in stiction, or the fork not being smooth.
Luckily this is a quick thing to do.
I bought a new boxxer and overhauled it out of the box. After 2 full days of DH i took it apart and there was literally a few drops of oil in the lowers and i had just put in 10ml of oil.
This is on top of the forks sometimes having little to no lube in the seal/wiper area.
After some TLC i am very impressed with the performance of the fork but it will require frequent upkeep and frankly, many riders dont have the time or desire to do so.

Another thing is that RS made the 2010 WC air cart so long that under full travel the piston head cycles up into the stantion up past the lower crown clamp area where there is some stiction from the clamping forces .
This is a good reason to use a torque wrench to not overtighten that clamp .
As per the vital 2011 boxxer vid you can see how RS made the new air cart alot shorter so that it would not bind .
 
Bikael Molton

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OK, if this is the state of things, how do I get a Mi-Co damper into my 2008 Team? I'm desperate for some end-stroke rebound tuning. I was pretty much set on an 11 WC.
 
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LOOnatic

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rpet said:
OK, if this is the state of things, how do I get a Mi-Co damper into my 2008 Team? I'm desperate for some end-stroke rebound tuning. I was pretty much set on an 11 WC.
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Your best bet is the push rebound upgrade for $140. My buddy has it and he likes it. Then there is the avy damper upgrade $300 if you going all out.
The chassis on the newer ones is where its at over your 08.

I wasn't trying to scare you away from the new model but rather remind people that it takes upkeep.
 
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Steve M

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rpet said:
OK, if this is the state of things, how do I get a Mi-Co damper into my 2008 Team? I'm desperate for some end-stroke rebound tuning. I was pretty much set on an 11 WC.
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You won't fit a Mico damper into a 2008 team, however I do happen to be selling a TPC+ damper that'll bolt right into your fork and give you much better compression and rebound characteristics than the Moco :)

If you're going to buy one of the 2011 Boxxers, get the Team. It might not be the best feeling fork in the world but it's better than the WC!
 
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Socket said:
Really? I have one and I gotta say, I don't like the thing. It's pretty sticky no matter how often I service it and lube the seals (even after I sanded the bushings which did seem to help slightly), I really dislike the air spring rate for its initial stiffness and lack of mid-stroke support, the compression assembly is pretty crude and needs reshimming (as well as actual modifications IMO) to not be harsh, small bump sensitivity is more or less craptacular, and the seals blow very quickly (mine has had 35ish days on it and already needs its 3rd set of seals, which is completely ridiculous). The foam ring underneath the air piston also managed to jam itself in the piston somehow because it's not even a remotely tight fit on the piston. Having pulled everything apart and tested all the moving parts separately, it's kinda messed up because no one thing is excessively sticky, but nothing other than the damper shaft is particularly free-moving either, and it all adds up to a fork that feels woeful compared to the Foxes and Marzocchis getting round (and especially my old Boxxer which I am regretting having sold). Yet to feel a WC that feels any better either. The seal thing in particular is like going back in time 10 years, that stuff really should be sorted by now. I don't understand why everyone hasn't just copied Marzocchi's seal setups, they seem to be extremely reliable and long lasting as well as very free-moving.

On the plus side, it hasn't snapped yet or failed catastrophically, touch wood. Will be trying a coil spring leg at some point to see if that helps with the small bump absorption because I rode a Team today that felt better, though still not amazing.

Honestly I think SRAM/RS are more interested in fitting more "adjustments" to the fork than actually making it work well by manufacturing stuff with good tolerances. Oh well, at least for next year they've made the knobs more comfortable to turn... hooray.
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Wow.
I have a '10 WC as do a few other's I ride with often.
We have had nothing but praise for the fork, no issues at all in over a year on these forks. They are not super buttery at low speeds over small trail chatter, but once up to speed they are impressive to say the least.
All I have had to do is change the oil and lube the seals a couple of times a season. We are all on our original seals, and these forks see a lot of use in the summer months (2-4 days a week usually, often more) as well as regular use in the winter.
I had a team to begin with and it was horrible, sticky and dead from the box. No oil in it and cartridge issues as well. Sram took care of it of course, they do have good CS. It does suck to have a fork not work right when it is new, I think Sram could use some QC work.
Funny thing is another friend got a team at the same time I did and his was perfect.
I had a Fox 40 before the Boxxer WC and don't miss the 40 one bit. My 40 was one of the least reliable forks I have ever owned.
 
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Commencal-guy

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Socket said:
Really? I have one and I gotta say, I don't like the thing. It's pretty sticky no matter how often I service it and lube the seals (even after I sanded the bushings which did seem to help slightly), I really dislike the air spring rate for its initial stiffness and lack of mid-stroke support, the compression assembly is pretty crude and needs reshimming (as well as actual modifications IMO) to not be harsh, small bump sensitivity is more or less craptacular, and the seals blow very quickly (mine has had 35ish days on it and already needs its 3rd set of seals, which is completely ridiculous). The foam ring underneath the air piston also managed to jam itself in the piston somehow because it's not even a remotely tight fit on the piston. Having pulled everything apart and tested all the moving parts separately, it's kinda messed up because no one thing is excessively sticky, but nothing other than the damper shaft is particularly free-moving either, and it all adds up to a fork that feels woeful compared to the Foxes and Marzocchis getting round (and especially my old Boxxer which I am regretting having sold). Yet to feel a WC that feels any better either. The seal thing in particular is like going back in time 10 years, that stuff really should be sorted by now. I don't understand why everyone hasn't just copied Marzocchi's seal setups, they seem to be extremely reliable and long lasting as well as very free-moving.

On the plus side, it hasn't snapped yet or failed catastrophically, touch wood. Will be trying a coil spring leg at some point to see if that helps with the small bump absorption because I rode a Team today that felt better, though still not amazing.

Honestly I think SRAM/RS are more interested in fitting more "adjustments" to the fork than actually making it work well by manufacturing stuff with good tolerances. Oh well, at least for next year they've made the knobs more comfortable to turn... hooray.
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I just converted my Teams to World Cups, and I must say its been a bit of a hassle to set up. I've been having trouble finding the right setting for me, especially the rebound / Air Preload. I agree with you how the fork lacks the mid-stroke. However the World Cup Definitely feels a lot smoother than my Team. Its weird that you've been having so many problems with stiction and seals blowing on you.

My Team Settings used too be:

Medium Spring
1.5 Turns Drop Stop (uncut)
1 Turn LSC
2 clicks HSC
12 Clicks of HSR
15 Clicks of LSR

Now for the World Cup

70 psi
1 Turn Bottom Out
1 Turn LSC
2 clicks HSC
11 Clicks of HSR
13 Clicks of LSR

I weigh 160lbs also. The World Cup settings I'm still playing with. I still can't find a setting I like. Any suggestions?
 
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Steve M

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Commencal-guy said:
I just converted my Teams to World Cups, and I must say its been a bit of a hassle to set up. I've been having trouble finding the right setting for me, especially the rebound / Air Preload. I agree with you how the fork lacks the mid-stroke. However the World Cup Definitely feels a lot smoother than my Team. Its weird that you've been having so many problems with stiction and seals blowing on you.

My Team Settings used too be:

Medium Spring
1.5 Turns Drop Stop (uncut)
1 Turn LSC
2 clicks HSC
12 Clicks of HSR
15 Clicks of LSR

Now for the World Cup

70 psi
1 Turn Bottom Out
1 Turn LSC
2 clicks HSC
11 Clicks of HSR
13 Clicks of LSR

I weigh 160lbs also. The World Cup settings I'm still playing with. I still can't find a setting I like. Any suggestions?
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70psi for 160lbs is fairly stiff, maybe try backing that off to 65 or so. I'm 200lbs and 85psi seems to be about right for me. What I suggest is:
Medium Spring
1.5 Turns Drop Stop (uncut)
1 Turn LSC
2 clicks HSC
12 Clicks of HSR
15 Clicks of LSR

:)
 
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