Mark Renshaw Thrown Out of the Tour

PsychO!1 · Jul 15, 2010

I've seen far more aggresive tactics in the past. Not sure he deserved the boot over it.
Personaly, I thought the move a few seconds later, where Renshaw drives Ferrar into the barrier is far worse.
Ferrar was in position on Cav's wheel when he jumped from 350 meters, if he wasn't driven to the barrier, I think he very well could have won the stage.

Heidi · Jul 15, 2010

yah, I don't think that deserved being kicked out. Sprinting sure is nasty business.

MtnbikeMike · Jul 15, 2010

I think he should have been relegated, but not completely DQ'd. Perhaps the BS move of pinching off Tyler played into their decision, but simply headbutting to defend your position(Dean be all up in his space) shouldn't be grounds for disqualification.

Why didn't they boot the guys who were fighting after the stage? Those guys just got a slap on the wrist

loco-gringo · Jul 15, 2010

Renshaw has been careless at best this Tour. I hate to see him get it, but HTC has been a pretty serious danger zone in the sprints this year. I've never seen so many shoulders dropped.

Westy · Jul 15, 2010

OGRipper said:
Yeah fair or not, it seems it's more of an accumulation of things that have been happening for the entire race. It may also be a way of penalizing HTC as a team and a clear warning to the rest of the field to give everyone a shot.

Agreed, and the headbutting was so blatant it made an easy excuse.

Just relegating Renshaw for the stage means nothing, he is there to help Cav win. You can't really punish Cav directly for having his lead out guy play dirty so he can have a clean run at it.

NorseManiac · Jul 15, 2010

Rubbins' Racin'.

sanjuro · Jul 15, 2010

at least doping wasn't involved....

MtnbikeMike · Jul 15, 2010

I don't believe the headbutt was a danger at all, or at least no more than anything else that goes on in a sprint. Dean instigated it by coming into him and putting an elbow out. The headbutt was Renshaw defending his position.

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IH8Rice · Jul 15, 2010

i think the Italians need to stick a pump into his spokes.
damn Cutters

MtnbikeMike · Jul 15, 2010

OGRipper said:
What about looking over his shoulder, seeing Farrar coming up, and intentionally almost putting him into the barriers? Was that also not dangerous? Was it fair?

I know there is always lots of bangin', and I'm playing devil's advocate, but how many of Cav's wins can be attributed at least in part to this kind of stuff? Think he can win as much without Renshaw?

Oh I absolutely think it was a BS move, as I stated earlier. However, I wouldn't go as far as saying it was intentional; it's difficult to tell if he actually looked over his shoulder or just looked left, not that it in any way justifies changing lines in a sprint. Looking at that video and seeing how far over Dean caused Renshaw to move (pretty close to the barriers), I think Dean should have repercussions as well if the issue at hand is actually safety.

Cav is definitely going to have a much harder time winning without his right hand man. Sprints are all about positioning and it's insanely easier to get there if you have a team.

loco-gringo · Jul 15, 2010

OGRipper said:
What about looking over his shoulder, seeing Farrar coming up, and intentionally almost putting him into the barriers? Was that also not dangerous? Was it fair?

I know there is always lots of bangin', and I'm playing devil's advocate, but how many of Cav's wins can be attributed at least in part to this kind of stuff? Think he can win as much without Renshaw?

F*#k Renshaw. I just watched it again. He blew his line right after he looked at Farrar. He actually got it too good by not crashing out to abandon. Stupid riding.

ire · Jul 15, 2010

loco-gringo said:
F*#k Renshaw. I just watched it again. He blew his line right after he looked at Farrar. He actually got it too good by not crashing out to abandon. Stupid riding.

Total a$$hole move. No class. I guess we should come to expect it from that team. Cav is an immature kid with no respect or class.

FlyinPolack · Jul 15, 2010

He was just trying to add some excitement to the most boring event on 2 wheels..

maddog17 · Jul 15, 2010

i liked his excuse too. never knew one had to head butt someone to keep their balance. i can see maybe moving the head once, but he clearly did it with intent. total moron. and what ever happened to those 2 guys who were fighting a few stages back?

Rip · Jul 16, 2010

What's next clotheslines to people trying to launch an attack?

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

I think the DQ was a little harsh. The headbutt is not that big of a deal, he was just defending his position, Robbie M used to do it all the time in his prime. As far as blocking Tyler, I don't think he saw him. I should also say i am not a HTC fan either.

ire · Jul 16, 2010

GravityFreakTJ said:
As far as blocking Tyler, I don't think he saw him. I should also say i am not a HTC fan either.

In the video it looks like he looks back and then shifts his line to block Farrar. Either way, he should be relegated for not keeping his line in the sprint.

CBJ · Jul 16, 2010

I think he was too aggressive. As an example let just say it was okay. Then is that the behavior you would like too see your son have or be the receiver off if he raced road. Remember what the pro does tickles down.

BikeMike · Jul 16, 2010

loco-gringo said:
F*#k Renshaw. I just watched it again. He blew his line right after he looked at Farrar. He actually got it too good by not crashing out to abandon. Stupid riding.

This. ^

He clearly looks at Farrar, notices he is starting to come up by him, and then takes him into the barrier, where he's totally boxed in.

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

CBJ said:
I think he was too aggressive. As an example let just say it was okay. Then is that the behavior you would like too see your son have or be the receiver off if he raced road. Remember what the pro does tickles down.

Don't agree. It's not their job to teach kids how to race. If you watch the video Dean came over on to Renshaw, he was protecting his line.

IH8Rice · Jul 16, 2010

GravityFreakTJ said:
. If you watch the video Dean came over on to Renshaw, he was protecting his line.

you dont protect lines with head butts. this isnt football.
he looked like a mary trying to head butt him. it didnt even do anything to him.

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

IH8Rice said:
you dont protect lines with head butts. this isnt football.
he looked like a mary trying to head butt him. it didnt even do anything to him.

Really? You watch much pro racin? It does happen, not alot but it does happen . And as far as it not doing anything to him it did. He came over to try and move shaw over and trap cav. The headbutts , however "Mary" looking stopped Dean from coming over any farther.

CBJ · Jul 16, 2010

GravityFreakTJ said:
Don't agree. It's not their job to teach kids how to race. If you watch the video Dean came over on to Renshaw, he was protecting his line.

My point is not to say his job is to teach kids anything. My point is if its legal in the pro ranks its legal anywhere else as I understand the UCI rules (though I am no expert). I am pretty sure hitting another cyclist is not legal and I don't think it should be legal plus it not what I think makes road racing a great sport.

IH8Rice · Jul 16, 2010

GravityFreakTJ said:
Really? You watch much pro racin? It does happen, not alot but it does happen . And as far as it not doing anything to him it did. He came over to try and move shaw over and trap cav. The headbutts , however "Mary" looking stopped Dean from coming over any farther.

and what happens to those people when they try and head butt other riders? they get DQ'd like this jerkoff.

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

OGRipper- Not trying to defend HTC really as I don't really like them as a team. Just seems that nobody noticed Dean coming over on Renshaw which is a no- no in and of itself. As far as head butting instead of punching, a hand of the bars in a sprint will get you DQ'd in a hearbeat.
I still think shaw didn't deserve a dq, if any one should be dq'd out of the tour it was Cav in the early stage because of the dickhead move he pulled on freire

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

IH8Rice said:
and what happens to those people when they try and head butt other riders? they get DQ'd like this jerkoff.

Umm no. Robbie McEwen threw one on Stewie O'Grady in 04 and got regulated to last for the day, not dq'd.

So if you are in a race and are the leadout man and you have position, someone comes over and throws and elbow and keeps on coming over to try and move you offline what would you do?

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

I can agree that three headbutts were not called for but the elbow by Dean wasn't either. I think they should have both been regulated.

IH8Rice · Jul 16, 2010

GravityFreakTJ said:
I can agree that three headbutts were not called for .

so now you are back tracking?

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

IH8Rice said:
so now you are back tracking?

Not really. Just agreeing that 3 was a bit much but no worse than Deans elbow and coming over.

I really was curious to hear your answer, what would you do if you were renshaw in that situation?

IH8Rice · Jul 16, 2010

GravityFreakTJ said:
I really was curious to hear your answer, what would you do if you were renshaw in that situation?

not be a bitch sore loser about it and try and head butt someone. :rant:

id maybe slowly move my line, but not a abrupt line change like he later did.
granted he is in support of Cavendish, but for his STUPID moves, Cav doesnt have him anymore

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

IH8Rice said:
not be a bitch sore loser about it and try and head butt someone.

id maybe slowly move my line, but not a abrupt line change like he later did.
granted he is in support of Cavendish, but for his STUPID moves, Cav doesnt have him anymore

but to not giving up your line is your job. Move over and your sprinter can be boxed in. Getting bullied off your line makes you a sucky lead out man.

IH8Rice · Jul 16, 2010

GravityFreakTJ said:
but to not giving up your line is your job. Move over and your sprinter can be boxed in. Getting bullied off your line makes you a sucky lead out man.

and now for his awesome moves as a lead out man, he's going home like he should be. :rofl:

GravityFreakTJ · Jul 16, 2010

IH8Rice said:
and now for his awesome moves as a lead out man, he's going home like he should be.

and we can agree to disagree that he shouldn't have been dq'd.

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