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No more Jugs

Total Heckler

Beer and Bike Enthusiast
Apr 28, 2005
8,171
189
Santa Cruz, CA
The trail is 100% demolished.

It was nice while it lasted. Literally hundreds of trees cut down, ground was dug up (rototilled) where the trail was, TONS of poison oak, branches, etc spread all over making it near impossible to even hike down.

The trail is basically unrecognizable on 90% of the area.

:(
 

rockofullr

confused
Jun 11, 2009
7,342
924
East Bay, Cali
A 10+ yr old DH trail in Danville/Alamo got demoed recently.

With all the budget cuts you would think that rangers would have better stuff to do than rip up established trails.
 

Total Heckler

Beer and Bike Enthusiast
Apr 28, 2005
8,171
189
Santa Cruz, CA
I have a feeling this wasn't done by rangers with all of the trees that were cut.

It seems like it was a really counter productive move by ruining the surrounding forest/wildlife habitat to demo a trail.
 
Mar 10, 2005
479
0
Santa Cruz/Sacramento, Ca
Suite. So many things I still wanted to accomplish on that trail - shoulda' never touched those brakes in the first place. At least no one will have to worry about clipping their bars on those trees again.

):

Here's to clean slates!
 

punkassean

Turbo Monkey
Feb 3, 2002
4,561
0
SC, CA
It's a shame this happened but at the same time it's a bigger shame that people couldn't exercise restraint and choose to only ride Jugs on rare occasion. We've had a huge increase in traffic on our trails over the last year or so with lots more people shuttling and building new unsustainable trails as well as tearing up our existing trail network by riding them too often and while muddy.

I'm not suggesting everybody should stop riding by any means but would it really kill some people to pedal their mountain bikes up and down the trails? Not only would they get in better shape but they'd most likely learn to appreciate nature more while at the same time cutting down on the amount of damage to the trails and gaining a greater appreciation for our limited resources.

Mountain biking is a qualitative sport, not a quantitative one. Getting out there and pedaling your way through a couple of loops will leave you with a smile on your face, less wear & tear on your truck (less carbon emissions as well) and some extra beer money in your pocket. Please respect our trails.
 

wood booger

Monkey
Jul 16, 2008
668
72
the land of cheap beer
It's a shame this happened but at the same time it's a bigger shame that people couldn't exercise restraint and choose to only ride Jugs on rare occasion. We've had a huge increase in traffic on our trails over the last year or so with lots more people shuttling and building new unsustainable trails as well as tearing up our existing trail network by riding them too often and while muddy.

I'm not suggesting everybody should stop riding by any means but would it really kill some people to pedal their mountain bikes up and down the trails? Not only would they get in better shape but they'd most likely learn to appreciate nature more while at the same time cutting down on the amount of damage to the trails and gaining a greater appreciation for our limited resources.

Mountain biking is a qualitative sport, not a quantitative one. Getting out there and pedaling your way through a couple of loops will leave you with a smile on your face, less wear & tear on your truck (less carbon emissions as well) and some extra beer money in your pocket. Please respect our trails.
I'm with ya. I did 3 runs on Jugs once by pedaling back up to the top. Our group was actually faster than some groms whose Mom was driving them.

But good luck getting the little local rats to actually ride up the hill. Most of them just got their license/truck and want to do nothing more than drive. Either that or Mommy drives them. I would say 75% of the shuttle crowd I run into is 18 or under.

Responsibility/accountability takes time to learn.
 

jimw

Monkey
Aug 10, 2004
210
24
Santa Cruz, CA
x2. I hear ya Sean. I do my share of DH shuttling, but I try to keep it at least somewhat on the DL and balance it out with some climbing. Lately I've been doing some loops on the DH bike. I figure it's good training climbing up. Yeah, it feels great to bomb down a trail or hit some huge road gap step-down on that bike, but it feels almost as good to pass a spando-clad guy with a 27-lb XC bike climbing up U-con while on the 46-lb Demo 9!

OK, so that hasn't actually happened yet :), but it's gonna feel great when it does. Plus then the 33 lb trail bike will feel like a road bike.
 

kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
And then there's the issue every single mountain biker has of just not being able to shut the fvck up.

I mean jesus, multiple people posting on a public message board about how they're going to rebuild an illegal trail that just go ripped out.

Brilliant! Keep that cycle going guys.
 

blue

boob hater
Jan 24, 2004
10,160
2
california
Rebuild it? Into what, another unsustainably-built rut down a hillside?

Jugs sucked. A stupid-easy and quick shuttle, but it still sucked.
 

bdamschen

Turbo Monkey
Nov 28, 2005
3,377
156
Spreckels, CA
And then there's the issue every single mountain biker has of just not being able to shut the fvck up.

I mean jesus, multiple people posting on a public message board about how they're going to rebuild an illegal trail that just go ripped out.

Brilliant! Keep that cycle going guys.

Eh. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that's about par for the course on this trail.
 

OGRipper

back alley ripper
Feb 3, 2004
10,647
1,116
NORCAL is the hizzle
And then there's the issue every single mountain biker has of just not being able to shut the fvck up.

I mean jesus, multiple people posting on a public message board about how they're going to rebuild an illegal trail that just go ripped out.

Brilliant! Keep that cycle going guys.

man, shut the fvck up about your fvckin' trail nazi ways and share your shlt. people just wanna ride bro.


:D
 

blue

boob hater
Jan 24, 2004
10,160
2
california
You would hate nearly every trail in socal
Hence my choice of residences :D

I dunno, I just don't particularly enjoy "hold on for dear life" trails that are built directly down the fall line, no matter how easily accessible they are. I'd much rather make the pedal up for other trails in the area that aren't as easy to get to (and come now, it's not like a DH bike in SC is really needed anywho).
 

bdamschen

Turbo Monkey
Nov 28, 2005
3,377
156
Spreckels, CA
Hence my choice of residences :D

I dunno, I just don't particularly enjoy "hold on for dear life" trails that are built directly down the fall line, no matter how easily accessible they are. I'd much rather make the pedal up for other trails in the area that aren't as easy to get to (and come now, it's not like a DH bike in SC is really needed anywho).
Ha. I never really thought of that trail as hold on for dear life.... Maybe it's because I'm riding a dh bike? :D


I kid! I kid!

Trail was definitely not sustainable, but it was maintainable and there was no shortage of people willing to help with that.
 

altix

Monkey
Feb 14, 2007
407
0
I disagree. I think that jugs is a very good representation of a sustainable downhill trail. Compared to some of the stuff we here where I am...Central Cal, It lasted a lot longer and didn't have to do with hikers. I was up there today thinking we were going to get to ride it. Should have checked the forums first i guess. I think that this wasin't state parks due to all the devastation that occurred. My question to whoever did it though is why go through so much trouble when it obviously is such a great natural resource? I mean you drove up a ROAD (trees and dirt had to be moved around allot to get that in place) to get to the trail to DESTROY it. It created so much fun for all the kids around town and out of town as well. It was the first trail my 10yr bro rode and he is super upset it isn't there anymore. I figure the best thing we can do as downhillers is realize nobody wants to hear what we have to say. I've tried talking with our local trail nazis (The CCCMB, look them up) and they don't want to hear it. State parks could care less, and county officials don't even know what we're talking about. I can't talk for the SC locals but if it's anything like we have hear in SLO we're all ****ed anyways. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to reason with the law, but we are just the scum of the earth to most of them. In the leader of the CCCMBs exact words, "If you want to go into the hills and not be seen by the public thats fine with me, just stop riding your bikes here. It's the communities trails". Well buddy I live 2 minutes from this trail, arnt I part of the community? Apparently not...How do we become more active amongst those who disagree with our riding ways? How? I don't know, but I do know I'm rambling...One last thing, I am ALL FOR sustainable trails. Who wants to ride a trail thats only going to be around for 2 years? I don't. What I do want to ride is Jugs, which has been around 10+ years and was still going fine until last week when some forest nazi got themselves a chain saw and ruined one of the best trails California has to offer. I don't see how they helped the environment, nor helped the community. All I see is fascism at its finest. Taking control of something they don't even know or use. Maybe I'm being wayy over dramatic, but I don't want to let them get away with this one, even though I don't live close by. Because if we don't stand together and fight back, they will just keep tearing us down. (Very speech like yes?) I thought so.
 

Straya

Monkey
Jul 11, 2008
863
3
Straya
Mate if you and a few of your friends took the time to write an email that long and that passionate to a few of your local politicians you might get surprised at the response you get.
 

Total Heckler

Beer and Bike Enthusiast
Apr 28, 2005
8,171
189
Santa Cruz, CA
It really is a shame that the trail was demolished. But at the same time, it was a blatantly illegal trail with signs posted at the entrance and exit saying so.

It's time to move on.
 

jimw

Monkey
Aug 10, 2004
210
24
Santa Cruz, CA
Couple factoids before the conspriacy theorists get too carried away:

1) Jugs was not around for 10+ years (less than half that).

2) It was taken out by the rangers. That info is straight from a ranger I know. It's been on the chopping block for almost a year now, it's just that they now finally had the resources to carry out the plan. One can debate the reasons why it was done in the manner in which it was, but it may be worth considering that JUST MAYBE there are additional reasons for it being done that way that we aren't privy to, other than just making it hard to rebuild. Just throwing that out there.

(On a side note, according to this same source, a certain other trail that recently saw some chainsaw action was NOT the work of rangers.)
 

Bikael Molton

goofy for life
Jun 9, 2003
4,010
1,146
El Lay
Jgz was neither hold on for dear life nor terribly unsustainable (compared to almost any other underground "gravity" trail in the greater Bay). I don't know what that guy is smoking. IIRC there were only 2 true fall-line sections originally, until the 3rd one was created at the bottom because it took months/years for someone to saw out the downed tree.

It was totally blown up (and often blown out) from everyone with a DH bike from 5 counties around shuttling it on Saturdays. Loose lips shut trails.

RIP - awesome trail. But we were lucky it stayed around as long as it did, given it's location and coverage.
 

IggyS

Chimp
Aug 31, 2010
15
0
Santa Cruz
I guess I'll never be able to beat my 1:58 run down it then ='(


Ah well, gonna build much better stuff this winter no where near any of that crap...... Month in Whistler has inspired me and with Keene comin back to town pretty soon, ****s gonna go down!