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Wow just Wow!

Will Andy be victorios after all ?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/alberto-contador-tests-positive-for-clenbuterol


Tour de France test carried out on July 21, Spaniard blames food contamination

Alberto Contador has revealed he has failed an anti-doping test for the banned substance clenbuterol during this year's Tour de France.

Contador won the Tour de France for a third time in July, beating Andy Schleck by 39 seconds.

The doping control in question was carried on July 21 during the second rest of the Tour in Pau, in the Pyrenees. The day after, Contador set up overall victory by finishing in the same time as Schleck at the summit of the Col du Tourmalet.

A message issued by Contador's personal press officer said Contador had been a victim of food contamination and would give a press conference in his home town of Pinto, near Madrid at mid-day on Thursday.

"Alberto Contador is affected by a doping control at the last Tour de France on July 21, where it was found the substance clenbuterol," the automatically translated message reads.

"From the time of the first communication from the UCI, August 24, Alberto Contador alleged food contamination as the only possible explanation of what happened and has been turned over to the cyclist authorities since then in the confidence that this very serious problem could be clarified, which now is public."

"The experts consulted so far have agreed also that this is a food contamination case, especially considering the number of tests passed by Alberto Contador during the Tour de France, making it possible to define precisely both the time the emergence of the substance as the tiny amount detected, ruling out any other source or intentionality."

"Alberto Contador will offer today, 30 September, at 12.00 hours, a Press Conference at Hotel Las Artes in Pinto (Paseo de las Artes, n º 15), in order to give his version of what happened to the public."

Contador rode for the Astana team this year but joined Bjarne Riis at Saxo Bank for 2011. Both Riis and the UCI's Pat Mcquaid were unavailable to comment.
 
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I hope that a few of his teammates were subject to testing on or around the same date as Albert. After all, if his food was contaminated, so was that of his teammates.
 
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The experts consulted so far have agreed also that this is a food contamination case, especially considering the number of tests passed by Alberto Contador during the Tour de France, making it possible to define precisely both the time the emergence of the substance as the tiny amount detected, ruling out any other source or intentionality.
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we'll wait and see if anything actually happens
 
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food contamination? like an ephedrine knockoff is msg or something?

"sorry, went to this super sketchy chinese place in montmartre the night before the finish..."
 
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splat said:
It will be interested to see what happens , you know if this had happened to Armstrong they would have stripped immediately.
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if it happened to Armstrong, he would be receive a public stoning after the public castration. the Euros would cream themselves if they could find Armstrong dirty of something


blue said:
food contamination? like an ephedrine knockoff is msg or something?
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according to the Wiki, its happened before in China :rolleyes:
 
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After thinking about this some more

In a ways, I wonder if this damns Andy Schlek as well though and could it have something to do with Riis giving him the boot from the Vuelta. I hope not, but will have to see how this unfolds.

So this makes how many of Armstrong's former teammates that flunked a drug test at least a year after leaving uspostal/discovery/astana(2009)/radioshak now?
 
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Hey, all of you claiming that you knew this would happen and it proves Contador is dirty....well, I'm no huge Contador fan, but it seems like he has a pretty good case.

The level found in his sample was 400 times lower than what WADA requires labs to detect. So we are dealing with a substance in an incredibly low concentration in an isolated test (ie it was not as if he was loaded with it and this was just the tail end). There would have been basically no real performance enhancement even if he did use it. So, if you think this is concrete evidence of doping, then you probably also need to believe that Contador likes to dope just for the hell of it and not for actually making him faster.

The UCI says it needs more scientific investigation before it does anything serious- when has that ever happened?

And clenbuterol has a history that is not so concrete. It was the same thing Iljo Kiesse was "busted" for and that his suspension was overturned for and then recently reinstated by the CAS (not exactly cut and dry is my point). And there are confirmed cases of supplement and meat contamination with clenbuterol.
 
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I don't understand the rejoicing when pros test positive. Other concerns aside, even if you have a personal grudge against whoever it was, each positive test adds to the evidence that your favorite rider who has dodged tests isn't genuine. Anyways...

Most of y'all probably have little concept of how small an amount they are claiming to have detected. One better have sh1t tons of data if one wants to hang a reputation on detecting 50 pg/ml. I've seen LC-MS/MS data where 500pg/ml of clenbuterol was quantitatable, but I sure wouldn't trust values 1/10th of that. Just sayin'

Edit: not saying that the amount is too small to make a difference (although that seems likely too), but that I tend to be skeptical of the reliability of the test at the amount claimed, which is going to be close to random noise.
 
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Rasmus Damsgaard who used to be doping consultant for Team Saxobank thinks this is due to blood doping and that the older blood tranfused had the traces of clenbuterol. The same thing that happened with Landis.
 
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I'm of the opinion these days that they all dope. Big deal, Contador got caught. That doesn't make Andy or anyone else better than him because they dope too.
 
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IH8Rice said:
if it happened to Armstrong, he would be receive a public stoning after the public castration. the Euros would cream themselves if they could find Armstrong dirty of something




according to the Wiki, its happened before in China :rolleyes:
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Castration? I thought he lost those to the "BIG-C" years ago.
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JRogers said:
Hey, all of you claiming that you knew this would happen and it proves Contador is dirty....well, I'm no huge Contador fan, but it seems like he has a pretty good case.

The level found in his sample was 400 times lower than what WADA requires labs to detect. So we are dealing with a substance in an incredibly low concentration in an isolated test (ie it was not as if he was loaded with it and this was just the tail end). There would have been basically no real performance enhancement even if he did use it. So, if you think this is concrete evidence of doping, then you probably also need to believe that Contador likes to dope just for the hell of it and not for actually making him faster.

The UCI says it needs more scientific investigation before it does anything serious- when has that ever happened?

And clenbuterol has a history that is not so concrete. It was the same thing Iljo Kiesse was "busted" for and that his suspension was overturned for and then recently reinstated by the CAS (not exactly cut and dry is my point). And there are confirmed cases of supplement and meat contamination with clenbuterol.
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I'm with JR on this one. Im no Contador fan, but according to NPR there are entire populations in China that have levels higher than that... just from meat they eat. The day before he had NO traces and the next day his levels were much lower already. So it isn't like he was caught at the tail end of a "cycle" or something.
 
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with all this uproar, it's no wonder they won't just let them dope. L'equipe would probably have to fire a crap load of useless reporters because they won't have anything to report on. so it's all a conspiracy....L'equipe is the real power behind the UCI!!!

damn i miss the X Files!!!
 
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maddog17 said:
with all this uproar, it's no wonder they won't just let them dope. L'equipe would probably have to fire a crap load of useless reporters because they won't have anything to report on. so it's all a conspiracy....L'equipe is the real power behind the UCI!!!

damn i miss the X Files!!!
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Watch Rubicon (AMC) for your conspiracy fix. Great show once you get past the first 4 character-development/mystery-setup-episodes.
 
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BikeMike said:
I don't understand the rejoicing when pros test positive. Other concerns aside, even if you have a personal grudge against whoever it was, each positive test adds to the evidence that your favorite rider who has dodged tests isn't genuine. Anyways...

Most of y'all probably have little concept of how small an amount they are claiming to have detected. One better have sh1t tons of data if one wants to hang a reputation on detecting 50 pg/ml. I've seen LC-MS/MS data where 500pg/ml of clenbuterol was quantitatable, but I sure wouldn't trust values 1/10th of that. Just sayin'

Edit: not saying that the amount is too small to make a difference (although that seems likely too), but that I tend to be skeptical of the reliability of the test at the amount claimed, which is going to be close to random noise.
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You are an analytical chemist, yes?
 
BikeMike

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You are an analytical chemist, yes?
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More like a biochemist I suppose.

I haven't looked through the literature on clenbuterol quantitation to any through extent, and it's hard to say too much about it without being able to read through how things were done. If they're claiming to have detected it, there is probably something there, but it's a pretty freakin' tiny amount. The DEHP plastics residues are more tricky. Pretty easy to contaminate a sample, but again...without details it's just speculation.

I want to hold out hope that the clen is actually from contaminated meat...but at this point I don't have a lot of faith in pro cyclists.
 
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BikeMike said:
I don't understand the rejoicing when pros test positive. Other concerns aside, even if you have a personal grudge against whoever it was, each positive test adds to the evidence that your favorite rider who has dodged tests isn't genuine.
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but that's what it's turned into now. none of us this year even bothered to pick a winner, hell, we didn't even do a pool as to who was going to get caught first like last year. it's now accepted with fans that they are all dirty to some degree. so now we just sit back and wait for the train wreck to happen. i think it would be easier if the UCI told the riders to go ahead and dope all you want!! then it's all out in the open and people can go back to feeling good about their favorite rider without having to worry about getting bad news that they doped. the testing that's getting done isn't 100% accurate and maybe never will, which is why i'm all for allowing them to dope. maybe once some of them start dropping dead during a race they may finally wake up. the other point to that is no one's reputation gets tarnished since it will be assumed they already dope. right now there are too many what if's during testing. this can be a killer to some racer who may in fact be innocent but because some idiot screwed up the test, or the sample or just has a grudge against him or the team (yes, it's my X files paranoia). the sport has turned into a big money sport now with the TdF being the showcase race. lots of money to be made, lots being spent too.
 
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