2011 Boxxer Team -> WC or 2010 Totem Air with Avy cart?

Something to consider: If you decide to go with the avy cartridge in the totem and you still want to get a boxxer, you can run the cartridge in the boxxer (you would need some parts to make it work, but according to bullcrew it is possible).

Why buy a Team when all you need is the chassis.

frango said:

Maybe, I was not super clear... I already have had 2010 Totem Solo Air tapered

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Get the avalanche cartridge for it when they're available. If you're already happy with your fork it's just going to make it that much better, and definitely better than an off the shelf boxxer damper.

miuan said:

Why buy a Team when all you need is the chassis.

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Ding, ding. ding. Winner.
Buy the Boxxer Race, install avy cart, save lots of money.
W/C air cart optional.
Win, Win

LOOnatic said:

Ding, ding. ding. Winner.
Buy the Boxxer Race, install avy cart, save lots of money.
W/C air cart optional.
Win, Win

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lowers on the 2010+ boxxer race is different than the WC & Team. Will the Avy cart go in either set of lowers?

bizutch said:

lowers on the 2010+ boxxer race is different than the WC & Team. Will the Avy cart go in either set of lowers?

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Yeah, someone did the avy cart + WC solo air setup in a '10 Boxxer RACE(I believe it was new, so the stanchions were in perfect shape, if that matters) in the avalanche thread, forget who and on what page..

captainspauldin said:

Yeah, someone did the avy cart + WC solo air setup in a '10 Boxxer RACE(I believe it was new, so the stanchions were in perfect shape, if that matters) in the avalanche thread, forget who and on what page..

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That was me in the avy thread.
All you have to do with Race lowers is tap out a small insert and you then have Team/WC lowers.

The 66 with the avy cart is a whole new animal, I just got the tools in to start reshimming it this weekend and play with the rebound is what Im starting with.
It feels great but I said Id start a tuning thread and so time to start messing around...

Easiest way to describe it is it feels like a dual (linear) til the last 1/3 it ramps like a single but instead of harsh bottom out it has the hydraulic damper so it eases the hard case so you dont get hammered but still feels lively and progressive with mid speed. The mid speed allows the fork to stay hi when jumping and avoids brake dive especially with bigger riders...
I LOVE the bike with a single crown and between dual/single the single always felt a bit harsh and definently more progressive. I wanted something I could preload that would allow me to pop the front around but without the constand rampup... Its sick in a great way.
Ill have a full ride report after Sunday, 21 of us are going shuttling to a very DH oriented spot with alot of FR in the mix drops rocks funky lines etc... Im going to try and get a feel for it then start messing with valving.... There should be alot of testosterone and watch this going on mixed with some beer.... Ought to be intresting

frango said:

So, to cut the story short You do recommend it?
I am waiting for more details and ride impressions.

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Yeah, I do! LOL and Im waiting for those impressions as well... Theres a few from here that are going so I will be sure to let them rock it so they can chime in...

bizutch said:

lowers on the 2010+ boxxer race is different than the WC & Team. Will the Avy cart go in either set of lowers?

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What is different? I see a spacer that needs to be removed where the rebound knob is but I believe its the same casting?

Supa8 said:

What is different? I see a spacer that needs to be removed where the rebound knob is but I believe its the same casting?

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(as far as castings) Apparently the race has old internals (rpe 2010) so they put a reducer in the hole in the bottom to fit the older internals aside of that they are the same castings.
You remove it and then install the avy cart, there is a rubber bottom out that needs to be removed (by rebound knob inside lowers) as well in all of them. The hydraulic bottom out takes over so no need for the rubber donut in the bottom.

bullcrew said:

(as far as castings) Apparently the race has old internals (rpe 2010) so they put a reducer in the hole in the bottom to fit the older internals aside of that they are the same castings.
You remove it and then install the avy cart, there is a rubber bottom out that needs to be removed (by rebound knob inside lowers) as well in all of them. The hydraulic bottom out takes over so no need for the rubber donut in the bottom.

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Thanks. That is what I had thought.

frango said:

Travis, you wrote
"Was a blast, shuttled 3 runs and then off to the jump park. Crashed right off the bat did NOT dial the fork in quite right so I need to reshim BAD... OTB in the rocks and barely walking the rest of the day....Made riding intresting... Good ride great people."
here http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/5795782/?s5
So, there won't be more info about how the fork works, now? ;(

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No there will, I went out with WAY too low of preload and was literally railing steep berms on my front wheel and the back was off the ground at times I was diving so bad. Overthedge was behind me and made a comment about it (1st run)... So I put some air preload in it and it made a HUGE difference.
I did not take into account the steepend HA on that run as well as I did not get anytime to adjust and run it before the chutes...
I looked at the comp and rebound, comp all the way in reb. all the way out..

So complete user error:
Medium spring
no preload or air assist in it
235 lb rider
super steep chutes, chatter bumps, rocks and drops
compression all the way on
rebound all the way off

I can run a med. spring I just NEED to preload it... So the fork was fine, the tune was fine I need to go out and do what I should have done the first time and thats not be in a rush with a herd of riders and take my time to adjust and dial it in... I literally shimmed/assembled/rode..

frango said:

Guys,
I've been thinking about some new parts for my Glory for the next season. One of them was new, 2011 Boxxer Team converted to WC with 2011 internals. All this would cost me about 1250$.

I have been on SC forks for nearly 3 seasons. It's not, that I need these additional 20mm of travel or that Totem is not stiff enough for me... I just wanted to have big fork, again... but...

Norbar told me to check upcoming Avalanche cartridge for SC forks. Bullcrew has been admiring new Avy product, recently. Moreover, it would be nearly 4x cheaper.

So, what do you think, guys?

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where do you plan or were you planning on buying the air cartridge?? thanks, I live outside the US and i'm planning going to Diablo so, I may take the shot and buy the cartridge and upgrade to WC