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What 888s for my Avy cart? Now with air cart info.

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Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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Okay, so I have the Avy cart, and it's great. But it's housed in some 2010 Boxxers, and I'm sick of rebuildeing them to keep em slippery.
So I want some 888s for way longer service life.
I'm happy with 35mm stanchioned ones as I'm only 70kg, and I figure the thinner stanchions will have a touch less stiction.
However, I also want light 888s, and I'd say single sided Titanium spring.
So my questions are.
Where their any 35mm single sided spring 888s made? If yes, what model/year?
Was there a Ti sprung version?
Were they lighter than 38mm stanchioned ones?
I was thinking 07s were, but I've since heard they were dual spring.
Is it possible to set up dual spring ones with single spring, and Avy cart?
 
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Udi

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Can't help, but I feel ya on the stiction issue... never felt a fork that was nearly as good as the old 35mm 888's in that department. I think they must have just had a really good bushing design/material, combined with NOK seals and open bath. But I vaguely recall even when I ran one side semi-bath they were still awesome, even after not being serviced for a year. Don't think that sparkles with today's RS/fox gear.

Personally I would just stick with the 35mm chassis, the 38mm ones weren't quite as nice in my experience. If you're going to cop a bit of weight for the sake of performance you might as well do it right.
 

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Monkey
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I guess.
Anyone know the weights of dual spring 888s, Vs single 35mm 888sIf they made em, and curent ones?
I can ditch all the damping stuff at least.
Or go an air sprung one, did they do them in 35mm? The Avy cart with mid stroke should hold em up in the mid stroke dive.
UDI, did you ever put grease ports in a 35mm Boxxer for the seals? Or does it just make a mess on hot days anyway when the grease turns to oil?
 
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stfn

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I can confirm there was an air sprung 35 mm version, it was the 888 SL ATA but to be onest the cart was not the best and had some issues due to the on the fly travel adjustment from 160 to 200 mm.

I think the only single sided spring mod for the 35 mm 888 was the one made by Mojo few years back which had spring+cart.
 

Udi

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The grease ports are great but I didn't get around to doing it on the 35mm boxxer, don't see why it would be any different though. No mess really, the excess purges out within a run. But while it extends service intervals, you still really do need to wipe the seals out properly once in a while.. I think one problem is that fine dust builds up in there eventually, causing some of the stiction.

Personally I wouldn't bother with marzocchi's ATA offering if you are that particular, it's not really the greatest air spring system out there. Could you maybe mod a 35mm boxxer spring (single side) to fit in the 888 chassis?

Not going to try out one of those 2011 Kashima 40's?
 

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Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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nsm -
The grease ports are great but I didn't get around to doing it on the 35mm boxxer, don't see why it would be any different though. No mess really, the excess purges out within a run. But while it extends service intervals, you still really do need to wipe the seals out properly once in a while.. I think one problem is that fine dust builds up in there eventually, causing some of the stiction.

Personally I wouldn't bother with marzocchi's ATA offering if you are that particular, it's not really the greatest air spring system out there. Could you maybe mod a 35mm boxxer spring (single side) to fit in the 888 chassis?

Not going to try out one of those 2011 Kashima 40's?
I'd be ditching the floating piston if I got an ATA one. But very unlikely. and possibly chucking a light lb 888 Titanium coil spring in the air leg if possible.
Yeah, can't see why a Boxxer spring wouldn't work. Would like a Ti spring, not sure if they're available though.
Need to look inside a 07 or earlier 888, to see wht the spring would/could sit on if gutted.
 

norbar

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If you want a light package in 888 marz shocks have you thought about a PROTONE air spring. I don't know how much weight they drop for 07 marz but for the 08-09 it drops 900g! It's also not that crazy expensive at only a bit over 100 euro. Some people started riding them here and the reviews are positive.



btw. What are the service intervals on the avy boxxers? Is it really bad?
 

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Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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If you want a light package in 888 marz shocks have you thought about a PROTONE air spring. I don't know how much weight they drop for 07 marz but for the 08-09 it drops 900g! It's also not that crazy expensive at only a bit over 100 euro. Some people started riding them here and the reviews are positive.



btw. What are the service intervals on the avy boxxers? Is it really bad?
I'd rather coil spring. Hence why I'm after a Ti spring. I'd have the same issues fitting an air spring as I would a coil in an 07 888 I'd imagine anyway.
Service intervil for Avy cart should be about a year, same with 888s. So anual service compared to Boxxers fortnightly.
I'd do em at 6 months just for the hell of it though.
Set and forget:thumb:
 

FlyinPolack

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the single spring 888's came out in 08'
They weigh less than the 07. & have less stiction, so much less in fact that they actually feel a little loose in the legs. The 3 we have have been fixed by zocchi, & still have a little slop, but nothing major. I've ridden mine for 3 seasons, & is holding up ok. You'll need the adapter for installing your cart into the 888 but otherwise it'll go right into any single sider (888). I had an 06 that worked really well. If you are wondering about putting it into an 07 or earlier, you should probably call craig, I'm sure he can give you a heads up.
 

FlyinPolack

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08-09 it drops 900g! It's also not that crazy expensive at only a bit over 100 euro. Some people started riding them here and the reviews are positive.
That's impossible, the springs don't weigh 2 lbs..
 

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Monkey
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the single spring 888's came out in 08'
They weigh less than the 07. & have less stiction, so much less in fact that they actually feel a little loose in the legs. The 3 we have have been fixed by zocchi, & still have a little slop, but nothing major. I've ridden mine for 3 seasons, & is holding up ok. You'll need the adapter for installing your cart into the 888 but otherwise it'll go right into any single sider (888). I had an 06 that worked really well. If you are wondering about putting it into an 07 or earlier, you should probably call craig, I'm sure he can give you a heads up.
Yeah nah, I tend to agree with UDI, 07s and earlier felt butter stiction wise.
08-9 had way loose bushes, aparently polished 10 bushes will solve that.
I'm wondering if the double springs helped with anti stiction, as much as the thinner 35mm stanchions. I was just trying to sleep, and the thought crossed my mind. The thought being there'd be more sprung support keeping the lowers coming up straight.
So a new thought I'm messing with is, 07s with air one leg(added stiction but might be okay), and Avy cart, and light 07 Ti coil in the other leg.
Oh, and 07s can work with the Avy cart, you put a spring on it, and do what you want with all the extra internals, it's on the Avy site, can't recall if it mentions solo spring option.
 

LMC

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I have a Mojo cart and an 07 chassis which i am selling. It has pretty much everything you need, Ti spring suited for your weight etc.. PM me if you are interested. :)
 
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btw. What are the service intervals on the avy boxxers? Is it really bad?


With mine its not the cart oil thats goes bad as much as the lube oil in the lowers on the spring side. Air or coil (WC or TEAM), its a small amount that IMO contaminates easily. Luckily though just taking out the bolt and squrting in fresh oil with a syringe is a 5 minute job and thats with leaving the fork o the bike.
 

norbar

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I'd rather coil spring. Hence why I'm after a Ti spring. I'd have the same issues fitting an air spring as I would a coil in an 07 888 I'd imagine anyway.
Service intervil for Avy cart should be about a year, same with 888s. So anual service compared to Boxxers fortnightly.
I'd do em at 6 months just for the hell of it though.
Set and forget:thumb:
They are apperently easy to instal but I understand why you don't want to test it on your own

That's impossible, the springs don't weigh 2 lbs..
Not my data, that's what they claim. Still it's a usefull alternative to the crappy SL ATA. Also they do adaptors for FOX 40s so float 40s are available ;)
 

cmoney

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That is the ultimate in lazy taking the left side fork leg out,cleaning,greasing the seals and new oil takes 20 minutes tops.The right side is good because it is open bath now.
Save your money and spend the twenty minutes every month.
 

Kanye West

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900g might be believable considering the steel spring, the plunger head, the plunger rod, and the top-out spring. Got a link to that aftermarket air spring? Is it just an adapter kit that sets up the one leg like a Boxxer Solo Air setup?

The only 35mm 888 without a spring of some sort on both sides was the '07 ATA. Everything else was dual coil.

You might want to find a 2010 888 RCV or some OEM model. As long as it has that newer chassis and the spring side you want, you'll be golden.
 

Lelandjt

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The easy answer is to get a used 2010 EVO Ti. More money but no jury rigging. With the butted legs it should be the lightest option and I can't say I feel more stiction than my 35mm 888. It's as butter smooth as forks get.

If that's too much money get the cheaper 2010 888.
 

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Monkey
Jan 15, 2006
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The easy answer is to get a used 2010 EVO Ti. More money but no jury rigging. With the butted legs it should be the lightest option and I can't say I feel more stiction than my 35mm 888. It's as butter smooth as forks get.

If that's too much money get the cheaper 2010 888.
All in all I probably will get a 2010, would rather not if weight could be matched, but it apears not.
At least I'd rather the black stanchions, but they're not lighter, just cheaper.
 

dilzy

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Rod go the 2010's or 11's, the chassis is much smoother than the 07's that I have felt and owned. The 2011, or 10 RCV's ought to be fine, as the chassis is universal I believe, though don't hold me to that.
 

Commencal-guy

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Brilliant! finally someone was able to make a dual air assembly for these retarded "Solo Air" forks. I never understood why rockshox stuck with the solo air system for the longer travel forks. :mad:

I'm really interested in the reviews for the Protone air assembly
 

sethimus

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Feb 5, 2006
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Brilliant! finally someone was able to make a dual air assembly for these retarded "Solo Air" forks. I never understood why rockshox stuck with the solo air system for the longer travel forks. :mad:

I'm really interested in the reviews for the Protone air assembly
http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/showthread.php?t=397428&act=url

have phun trying to understand whats going on, german -> english translation sucks big times.
 

Udi

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Brilliant! finally someone was able to make a dual air assembly for these retarded "Solo Air" forks. I never understood why rockshox stuck with the solo air system for the longer travel forks. :mad:
It's so that pressure equalises automatically, which is beneficial when the air heats up on a long run, etc. Dual air is simply the same mechanism without the ability to auto equalise. That would be the reason they don't use d/a for long travel applications (neither do any long travel air springs to my knowledge, even from other brands).

I've never really had a problem with it personally...
 

Commencal-guy

Monkey
Nov 25, 2007
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It's so that pressure equalises automatically, which is beneficial when the air heats up on a long run, etc. Dual air is simply the same mechanism without the ability to auto equalise. That would be the reason they don't use d/a for long travel applications (neither do any long travel air springs to my knowledge, even from other brands).

I've never really had a problem with it personally...
I don't mind the Solo Air system, as ive never had serious problems with it. However, I would prefer a dual air system over a solo air because of its simplicity. There is too many moving parts in the Solo Air which is not to my liking. Solo Air piston moving up and down during top out to equalize pressure from the Positive to the negative chamber.
 

Tomasis

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avalanche kit is on way to me, yay

no any 888 yet.. but I saw in Ebay a lucky guy got 2011 RCV for 350€. damn him :)

it will be protone for me since i want light weight.. I cannt wait for the ready fork..