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quickneonrt

Turbo Monkey
Apr 8, 2003
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Staten Island NY
Done for now

2011 M-9 small black chrome,red lower link bolts, CC Angleset, CCDB 400x2.75 ti spring
2010 RS Boxxer Team w/Avalanche cart, Saint 165 cranks, red E-Thirteen 36t ring, LG-1+ guide 32-36T, red alloy chainring bolts, Canfield Crampton pedals, Saint brakes, Avid G3 rotors 203F/185R ti caliper bolts, X.O red rear der ti pulleys ceramic bearings, X.O red shifter, PC 991 cross step chain, Point 1 dm stem w/ti crown bolts, Cromag OSX black chrome bars, Intense lock-ons, red ODI clamps, Twenty6 bar caps, Thompson Master Piece post w/ti hardware, Thompson seat clamp, SLR ti saddle, Chris King pewter hubs, 823 rims 32h, 11-28 SLX cassette, Maxxis HR rear 2.5, Schwable Wicked Will f 2.5.
 

Uncle Cliffy

Turbo Monkey
Jan 28, 2008
4,490
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Southern Oregon
is this a typo? I hope it is.
Most ti springs won't get any coil bind since the windings are spaced so far apart. It's only a 1/4 inch of difference so running a shorter spring works fine. I should've got one of these as the 550 spring on my 951 barely fits between the collars.

Like kidwoo says "this internet place sounds like a pretty tough place to ride"
I like that quote. ;)
 

quickneonrt

Turbo Monkey
Apr 8, 2003
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Staten Island NY
Most ti springs won't get any coil bind since the windings are spaced so far apart. It's only a 1/4 inch of difference so running a shorter spring works fine. I should've got one of these as the 550 spring on my 951 barely fits between the collars.


Cliffy is correct, I have a 350, 400, and 450 ti spring in that size already, so until I find what weight works best. I can use what I have. Then sell them and get a ___x3
 

mattmatt86

Turbo Monkey
Feb 9, 2005
5,347
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Bleedmore, Murderland
Most ti springs won't get any coil bind since the windings are spaced so far apart. It's only a 1/4 inch of difference so running a shorter spring works fine. I should've got one of these as the 550 spring on my 951 barely fits between the collars.
Are most Ti springs shorter than their steel equivalents?
Not trying to derail but I just put a Ti spring on my new DB and it is supposed to be a 3.00 spring but is noticeably shorter than the steel spring on the vivid I took off.



The vivid spring is 350, and the DB spring is 300. Just curious if some asshat sold me the wrong size spring claiming it was 3.00
 

Raingauge

Monkey
Apr 3, 2008
692
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Canadia
Are most Ti springs shorter than their steel equivalents?
Not trying to derail but I just put a Ti spring on my new DB and it is supposed to be a 3.00 spring but is noticeably shorter than the steel spring on the vivid I took off.



The vivid spring is 350, and the DB spring is 300. Just curious if some asshat sold me the wrong size spring claiming it was 3.00
Who manufactures the spring? I know RCS sprigs are shorter than others; they have the dimensions on there website or they used too.
 

quickneonrt

Turbo Monkey
Apr 8, 2003
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Staten Island NY
I'm not sure who makes the spring, it doesn't have any labeling on it. The Free length is 147mm or 5.787"
That's more like a 2.75, I have a 2.75 on mine and have that much room.

a 3.0 should be 6" free length

DSP, Manitou and Marzocchi springs are the same

Just measured my DSP 350x3 it is 6" and my Manitou 450x275 is 5 15/16ths so a hair under 6"

so yours is NOT a 3.0
here is RCS (Renton) spring chart

item # stroke rate free length outer diameter weight
-2250 2.25" 500# 5.3" 2.11" 372g
-2255 2.25" 550# 5.3" 2.15" 418g
-2260 2.25" 600# 5.3" 2.18" 440g
-2525 2.25-2.50" 250# 5.3" 2.07" 189g
-2535 2.25-2.50" 350# 5.3" 2.09" 327g
-2540 2.25-2.50" 400# 5.3" 2.05" 354g
-2545 2.25-2.50" 450# 5.3" 2.09" 390g
-2550 2.50" 500# 5.8" 2.25" 499g
-2555 2.50" 550# 5.8" 2.27" 508g
-2560 2.50" 600# 5.8" 2.29" 536g
-2745 2.75" 450# 6.3" 2.21" 540g
-2750 2.75" 500# 6.3" 2.25" 540g
-2755 2.75" 550# 6.3" 2.25" 563g
-3025 2.75-3.00" 250# 5.8" 2.07" 285g
-3030 2.75-3.00" 300# 5.9" 2.07" 386g
-3035 2.75-3.00" 350# 6.2" 2.11" 386g
-3040 2.75-3.00" 400# 6.2" 2.18 422g
-3045 3.00" 450# 6.6" 2.21" 518g
-3050 3.00" 500# 6.6" 2.25" 540g
-3055 3.00" 550# 6.8" 2.25" 627g
-3060 3.00" 600# 6.8" 2.29" 654g

sorry all jumbled but it looks right when I try to edit it
 
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mattmatt86

Turbo Monkey
Feb 9, 2005
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Bleedmore, Murderland
That's more like a 2.75, I have a 2.75 on mine and have that much room.

a 3.0 should be 6" free length

DSP, Manitou and Marzocchi springs are the same

Just measured my 350x3 it is 6" and my Manitou 450x275 is 5 15/16ths so a hair under 6"

so yours is NOT a 3.0
Thanks for the info. Should I bother getting a longer spring?
 

quickneonrt

Turbo Monkey
Apr 8, 2003
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Staten Island NY
Thanks for the info. Should I bother getting a longer spring?
try it out if the coils don't touch each other when compressed and you are able to pre-load it, you should be fine.

At least in 8.5 and 9" settings
For 9.5" you may need a stiffer spring since it changes the lever ratio but even with the right length spring this would apply
 
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worship_mud

Turbo Monkey
Dec 9, 2006
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Elle t'as jamais dit ça ta femme : "Plus c'est long, plus c'est bon"

Bon courage pour traduire ça avec Babelfish :rofl:
your woman never told you: "the longer, the better"

good luck translating this with Babel fish!

nema problema, jarane! ti se mi samo javi in ti bom vse prevedel! :D
 

dhbombr

Chimp
Feb 1, 2004
10
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Finished my new intense m9
large frame
ccdb rear shock
2011 fox 40
avid codes
azonic outlaws
maxxis swampthings
boobars

slackest angleset
shortest chainstay setting
most progressive shock mount
9.5 inch travel

The bike makes any terrain seem less steep, I am able to ride more towards the center of the bike keeping both wheels on the ground. The bike rolls very quick and pedals great. Cant wait to ride Northstar, Tahoe and Mammoth.
THANKS to www.intensecycles.com and www.blackrockbicycles.com
 

SlackBoy

Monkey
Apr 1, 2002
190
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Wellington, New Zealand
Love love love my Intense M9, sure I'm riding for the Monster Energy Dh team in NZ, but that's beside the point. It's still sick as!!!
Solid, strong and sexy as in Black chrome, Black Fox 40's, Black and Gold Shimano Saint, Shimano Wheels, Pro Atherton compontents, and naturally of course Maxxis Tires. Nothing crazy light, but nothing really heavy, comes in at just over 40 pounds. Yes pounds kids, bike weights in pounds, bike parts in grams, body/fat-ass weight in kilos. I don't make the rules, just enfore them.
The very cool thing about the M9 is the adjustability, adjustable headangle via a Cane Creek angleset - 64degrees, and .5 or 1 degree changes slacker or steeper. Adjustable travel, from 8.5inch, to 9inch, to 9.5inch. You can adjust how the suspension feels, from linear to progresive. And you can adjust the wheelbase via the G3 dropouts in 1/4inch increments (each G3 adjustment changes the BB approx 1/8 inch and headangle 1/4 degree)
I mainly run with the G3 in the middle position, 9inch travel, middle shock rate and half degree slacker cup in the headset. That being said last weekend I ran in the long G3 position and it definitly stabilises the bike and at high speed feels amazing. In tighter and slower stuff, the middle or short setting does feel superior. It's cool how such a small change can make a noticable difference. I have also done heaps of runs with the shock set up in the linear position. Generally I prefer this position, until the tracks get holed up and some big hits. The progressive setting is not my favourite, but then, I'm not an elite rider hitting stuff ridiculously fast and hard, nor do I huck my self silly.
As most people well know, VPP bikes pedal amazingly well, and the M9 is no exception. And seeing as my one advantage in a DH race is the pedalling, I'm stoked about that. A nice stiff rear end also helps with this.
At just under 6 foot, the meduim frame still has plenty of room to move around with a nice spacious cockpit. Not falling into the mini cockpit that some downhill bikes have exhibited in the past, but also not to long or large either. It's the 3rd bowl of porridge, just right!
On the trail the bike is just outright amazing, tracking straight and true, with no vague back end steering feeling. Even with eh vaugeires of different tires the bike is very easy to drift, more so with the G3 dropouts slammed out to long. It's a bike that it super comfortable at high speed, yet for those timid days, the days when your not just on, it's still sweet. It will allow you your errors (well to a point, a tree is still a tree if you hit it), and let you nancy down the hill in comfort and style still. I take great adavantage of this at times.
Braking does stiffen the suspension, but it is minimal to say the least and doesn't squat or lift the suspenion as some frames are want to do. Personally I find it still to be more active than many other designs that espouse their braking to be the most active around. In internet terms, it might be a thing, but in the real world, it ain't no thang!
The bike is also very playful, it's not a plow bike. It likes to fly, which for a non jumper like myself is great. It draws me to the sky and deposits me back on earth safely, rubber side down. It is both a poppy bike and a grounded bike, it must be a gemini with that duality, but it manages both with aplomb.
Pretty much it's a bike that will let you be all you can be, even if you didn't think you still could be. Many a time has my eyes been telling me that I'm going way way to fast, but the bike underneath me has been almost yawning, saying "Come on big boy, air those balls, I'm good for it, open it up". It's nice being the one holding the bike up from going faster, not the other way around.
 

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a-rod

Chimp
Sep 28, 2010
28
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Lancaster, CA
Wow, what a great write up. I only have two little rides on mine so I haven't really experimented yet. Mine is in the 9.5" setting and works super good. Zero degree headset and middle G3. The bike is honestly so stable I don't know why I would want to try the long G3, unless its a super fast course. I would have to say the same about the headset. In the 9.5" setting the bike eats chop and rock so well, but to my absolute amazement it pops off of jumps so well and is super stable on take off and landing. You have no fear gapping this bike and landing in chunder or chop or rocks. It hits the ground and sticks. Oh and this is in the middle shock rate ( I do want to play with shock progression). Based on how it jumps I thought it would be good through rocks, but buck a little on big rock hits, not the case at all. This bike is so amazing, I cannot wait to put more time on it and really open it up. I would have to agree with comment above, this bike gets more stable at high speed, it is totally begging the rider to go faster. It is so confidence inspiring to have a bike that eats rocks but can totally pop jumps. It is a bit tough to really work the bike up and over little stuff, but come on, it's a plow bike.... that has great stable pop! Great job Intense, you guys have built the best DH bike.
 

khoolhandz

Chimp
Jul 27, 2006
89
0
I LOVE SURREY
Finally able to dial up my M9. Here's my initial ride report.

Specs:
Intense M9-FRO
RIDER WEIGHT: 150 Lbs (Geared up)
FRAMESIZE : Small, 9.5" travel, middle rate, middle G3
BIKE WEIGHT: 39.6 Lbs
BRAKES: Avid Elixir Carbon Front and Rear, 203mm front and rear, Ti bolts
COGSET: SRAM X.0 with 9 speed 12-26T
CRANKS and BB: Race Face Atlas 165mm 83mm
FORK: 2011 Fox 40
HANDLEBAR: Deity Dirty 30
HUBS: Easton Havoc DH 20mm front / 150mm x 12mm rear
GRIPS: ODI Lock-On
GUIDE: E13 LG1+
PEDAL: Crank Bros Mallet
RIMS: Easton Havoc DH 28h
RING: 36T Envy
SEAT: San Marco Ponza
SEATPOST: Thomson Elite 31.6 mm
SHIFTER: SRAM X.0
SHOCK: Fox DHX RC4 with 300 Lbs spring
STEM: Point 1 Racing Direct Mount LE Ti
TIRES: Maxxi Minion 3C Front and Rear
TUBES: Standard
OTHER: Misc Ti bolts

Front tire: 23 psi
Rear tire: 25 psi

2011 FOX DHX RC4:
9.5" x 3.00" Stroke
SPRING: 300 Lbs Ti
PRELOAD: 2 turn (To achieve 34% shock sag)
REBOUND: 8 clicks
HSC: 9 clicks
LSC: 2 turns
BOOST PRESSURE: 130psi
BOOST SETTING: 0 TURN

2011 FOX 40RC2:
Travel: 8" setting, purple spring
Oil: Stock
High Speed Compression: 8 Clicks from full out
Low Speed Compression: 10 Clicks from full out
Rebound: 3 clicks from Full out
Preload: 4 clicks from full out to achieve 2" sag.

Headangle: 64.00 degrees
BB Height: 13.75"
Chainstay length: 17.375"
Fore Seat to Handlebar: 16.50
Seatpost with Seat Angle: -12 degrees
Wheelbase: 46.25"
Front Axle to Handlebar clamppoint: 30.50"
BB to Topseat: 23.00"





I've had a total of 19 runs on our local DH trail (Burnaby Mtn) as of yet (Approx 30kms total dh distance). This track is relatively flat (300-400m elevation drop in approx 1.5 km) compared to most of our trails out here in Vancouver, but it has some steep twisty sections, rock fields, tons of offcamber roots, and a few log jumps. The first two runs I ran a 400 Lbs spring, with zero compression (hi and low) on the RC4 rearshock and Fox 40. Rear sag was spot on with only half a turn on preload so I thought it would be perfect. These first two runs I felt the back end to be completely fishtaily and suspension didn't feel right. I've always run zero compression damping (propedal) on my old Yeti 303dh DHX shock so I didn't bother about using compression damping on the M9.

After speaking to one of techguy at Dunbar Cycles (Thanks Adam!), he suggested running a softer spring and starting off with mid settings for both hi and low compression damping. I changed the spring to 300 Lbs, and run both high an low comp. damping midway.

What a difference! Bike was more stable yet still so plush, and was actually a pretty good pedaler! I was using full travel without actually bottoming out, and I fine tuned the damping slightly to my liking during a few more runs.




Comparing to other DH bikes I rode over the years (Karpiel Disco Volante, Mountain Cycle Shockwave, Foes DHS Mono, Commencal Supreme DH, Iron Horse Sunday, Yeti 303), I'd say the plushness of this bike is equal to the Foes but pedals better. I'd say it's pedalling capability is similar to the Commencal.

Here's a summary of my impression with the bike after 19 runs:
-- Super quiet. Bike rides like a chainless bike with absolutely no slapping noise or monocoque noise.
-- Super plush. Eat eats boulder fields and root fields but without the feeling of loose rear end.
-- Pedals great for a DH bike. Actually pedals better than my old Yeti 303.
-- Looks awesome and an eye catcher. Driving on the freeway, you see people staring at the bike on my rack.
-- Jumps well. I haven't done any big jump but the small ones the trail have it's easy to pop up.
-- Remains active under braking. I don't feel the bike stiffening up significantly during braking, but maybe because I tend to use my front brake more.
-- Excels on super steep stuff. I can already tell that this bike will be awesome in Goats Gully & Joyride (in Whistler) type trails where it's super steep and rocky/rooty.
-- I haven't done any wide open fast runs on this bike but I can already feel that it will be awesome on super fast stuff because of the slack headangle and longer wheelbase (compared to my old Yeti).

One thing I definitely notice is that this bike likes the steep stuff, so in the not-so-steep stuff I really needed to aggressively weigh the front end to snap into turns, otherwise the bike just would want to go straight.

There's still some room for improvements though. For one, the main triangle's zerk grease fitting is hard to get to without removing the shock or getting flexhose grease gun fitting. Rear axle could be made lighter without sacrificing strength. Do you really need that big stainless steel nut? Same size aluminum nut would do I think and would save some weight. Integrated rear shock fender, like in the V10, would have been awesome.

I've decided to make my own since I ride mostly in wet and muddy conditions.



Looking forward to trying this bike out up in Seymour and Cypress when the snow is gone, and definitely up at Whistler when it opens.

Here's a couple POVs I made.
http://www.pinkbike.com/video/177790/
http://www.pinkbike.com/video/177784/
 
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