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Steve M

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So I've now broken the internal axle in my Hope ProII for a 2nd time, looking for something else that's hopefully a bit more reliable and/or easier to get spares for. What I do want:
- Reliability
- Not spastically heavy. Doesn't have to be super light but I don't want anything hugely obese.
- Easy to get spares for in a timely manner (ie not Hope if you're in Aus).
- Cheapish - Hadley, I9 and CK are out of the question.

Not fussed about engagement points.

32h, 150x12mm, would be awesome if it came in red but I'll take whatever colour if I have to. The Nukeproof hubs on CRC look pretty decent - cheap and 330g, anyone got any experience with these? DT 440s look alright too, but they're pricey - anyone ever wrecked one? I know of at least one guy who broke the internal axle on one of those too, is that a regular occurrence?
 
HardtailHack

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I'm in the same boat in the same country, when my axle snapped the second time it seems to have flared the hub so with the new axle I still have some movement that causes braking issues.
I bought Nukeproof hubs for my current wheel build but the sadly have some movement in both hubs, next hubs will be Burgtec or Novatec however both will be a gamble as I have heard no trustworthy reviews on either.
 
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I have had a couple of Novatec hubs that have been alright durability wise but weighed a ton.
burgtec = way overpriced IMO
 
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Hope Pro 2 Evo? Apparently they have changed the axle:

The now proven range of Pro2 hubs have gone from strength to strength since they were launched. Countless tests,reviews and of course rider feedback have shown that the Pro2 is everything that we designed it to be.We have a couple of noticeable changes on the hubs now - first one is that they all now run stainless steel bearings throughout, bringing them inline with Pro3. These means longer life, smoother, free running and even more value for money. With the bearing change comes a new axle. The old 15mm axle is now replaced with a 17mm version. This means total compatibility with Maxle and Maxle Lite (reg) 12mm bolt through. This hub features a one piece 7075 aluminium rotor body and pawl carrier. Four pawls engage into a twenty-four tooth steel ratchet which is fixed into the hub shell and is sealed with a frictionless, non contact labyrinth seal. The axle runs on five cartridge bearings. All Pro2 hubs are standard 6 bolt disc compatible.The hub shell is machined from a solid billet of 2014 T6 aluminium.
The following types are available and can be interchanged with additional spacers/axles which are available separately: - Front QR - Front 9mm - Front 20mm - Front 15mm - Front Maverick fork - Rear QR - Rear 10mm Saint - Rear 12mm (135) - Rear 10mm Bolt in (135) - Syntace X12 142mm - The rear hub is also available in 12mm/150mm wide (note this is a new hub. Not a conversion) and also a trials / singlespeed (see separate page)

Source:
http://www.hopetech.com/page.aspx?itemID=SPG241
 
HardtailHack

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Gary said:
I have had a couple of Novatec hubs that have been alright durability wise but weighed a ton.
burgtec = way overpriced IMO
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Yeah all Novatecs have been stupidly heavy until recently, actually you are correct I forgot the only light hub they do is a 135mm hub- http://www.novatecwheels.com/novatec/english/p_show.php?sid=269, sorry.

I thought Burgtec prices were in line with other non Asian hubs(except Hope), this thread will be helpful for me as well it seems.
 
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Dt 440 is a great hub and DT stands behind them. I dropped mine and cracked it while relacing it to another rim. DT replaced it even though I dropped it on a cement floor.
 
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iRider said:
Hope Pro 2 Evo? Apparently they have changed the axle:

The now proven range of Pro2 hubs have gone from strength to strength since they were launched. Countless tests,reviews and of course rider feedback have shown that the Pro2 is everything that we designed it to be.We have a couple of noticeable changes on the hubs now - first one is that they all now run stainless steel bearings throughout, bringing them inline with Pro3. These means longer life, smoother, free running and even more value for money. With the bearing change comes a new axle. The old 15mm axle is now replaced with a 17mm version. This means total compatibility with Maxle and Maxle Lite (reg) 12mm bolt through. This hub features a one piece 7075 aluminium rotor body and pawl carrier. Four pawls engage into a twenty-four tooth steel ratchet which is fixed into the hub shell and is sealed with a frictionless, non contact labyrinth seal. The axle runs on five cartridge bearings. All Pro2 hubs are standard 6 bolt disc compatible.The hub shell is machined from a solid billet of 2014 T6 aluminium.
The following types are available and can be interchanged with additional spacers/axles which are available separately: - Front QR - Front 9mm - Front 20mm - Front 15mm - Front Maverick fork - Rear QR - Rear 10mm Saint - Rear 12mm (135) - Rear 10mm Bolt in (135) - Syntace X12 142mm - The rear hub is also available in 12mm/150mm wide (note this is a new hub. Not a conversion) and also a trials / singlespeed (see separate page)

Source:
http://www.hopetech.com/page.aspx?itemID=SPG241
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Bam... exactly what I need. Thanks! I liked everything about the hub except the fact that the axle likes snapping from time to time.
 
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You may want to try 2k11 Dartmoor Quantic hub.

6061 body 7075 axle and casette body . 4 HQ japanese bearings , 3 pawls. Available in 6 different colors. Weights 290g will cost in here ~ 140-150USD
 
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For the price they are hard to beat. That's a first year they are produced so it's a bit unprooven but the Aus distributor supposedly is quite good.
 
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HardtailHack said:
I'm in the same boat in the same country, when my axle snapped the second time it seems to have flared the hub so with the new axle I still have some movement that causes braking issues.
I bought Nukeproof hubs for my current wheel build but the sadly have some movement in both hubs, next hubs will be Burgtec or Novatec however both will be a gamble as I have heard no trustworthy reviews on either.
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I had the same issues over the past few years with broken axles on the Hope Pro 2 hubs, just switched over to Nukeproof, almost as light and looks like it's quite a bit sturdier and solidly built, it is also wider " flange to flange" than the Hope which was another weakness of the Hope design.
 
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troy said:
You may want to try 2k11 Dartmoor Quantic hub.

6061 body 7075 axle and casette body . 4 HQ japanese bearings , 3 pawls. Available in 6 different colors. Weights 290g will cost in here ~ 140-150USD
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It's just a rebadged formula. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I run a different "brand" on my trail bike right now.

If you're not fussed about weight or engagement just pick up a cheapie like this. They're sturdy and easy to get parts for. The gold ano, forged, 3 pawl cassette is the dead giveaway.
 
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I think Hadleys offer great value if you find a wheelbuilder who keeps overhead low. I paid about $300 new for a complete rear wheel, hadley 150, DT FR600, DT comps. Compared to the stand-alone price of a hub, that's a no brainer.

7075 shell, large diameter body, Ti freehub, wider flange spacing than Hope 150s last I checked, which means stronger stiffer wheel. what's not to like?
 
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cant beat atomlab pimplights for the price to weight to reliability ratio...super light and good solid engagement...2 years on the US and Canadian Race circuit and still going strong!
 
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frorider said:
I think Hadleys offer great value if you find a wheelbuilder who keeps overhead low. I paid about $300 new for a complete rear wheel, hadley 150, DT FR600, DT comps. Compared to the stand-alone price of a hub, that's a no brainer.

7075 shell, large diameter body, Ti freehub, wider flange spacing than Hope 150s last I checked, which means stronger stiffer wheel. what's not to like?
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They're like $700 for the hubs down here. Even at cost they're ridiculous, I could buy a 2nd hand car for the price of those things. I build all my own wheels anyway, all I need is parts.

Ordered a ProII Evo anyway, it's cheap and it sounds like they've sorted out the axle issues. Thanks for the help boys and girls.
 
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IH8Rice said:
$700???? :eek:
wow, if any aussies need hadley hubs, let me know! :thumb:
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Mate the Aussie bike industry is retarded. It's cheaper for a shop employee to buy Saint cranks from CRC than from the wholesaler in Aus, and the Shimano distributor in Aus is one of the better ones... you don't want to see Chris King prices.

Fluider - see the tapered section near the centre of the axle? At the small end of the taper is where they break.
 
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Thanks. I've been designing a fixed singlespeed hub on 10mm thru-axle and I placed that tapered sections on symmetrical axle as far from the center-line as I could. The hub axle is 15mm OD to run pair of 15x28x7 bearings and a pair of 15x32x9 bearings.
 
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fluider said:
Thanks. I've been designing a fixed singlespeed hub on 10mm thru-axle and I placed that tapered sections on symmetrical axle as far from the center-line as I could. The hub axle is 15mm OD to run pair of 15x28x7 bearings and a pair of 15x32x9 bearings.
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The Hope hub has a washer between two bearings in the spot described and it seems to flex at the washer, my two snapped in the same spot.

A pic from another thread about Hope hubs.
 
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Steve M

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Well what really needs to happen is a larger radius between the taper and the constant diameter section - that sharp corner is what's killing axles.
 
IH8Rice

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Socket said:
Mate the Aussie bike industry is retarded. It's cheaper for a shop employee to buy Saint cranks from CRC than from the wholesaler in Aus, and the Shimano distributor in Aus is one of the better ones... you don't want to see Chris King prices.
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wow, if you or anyone you know needs hadley or CK, hit me up. im sure itll be cheaper to buy it from me (here) and send it there
 
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the new saint hubs have been really solid under a good friend of mine...i'm running hadleys, but i like the center lock rotors and am a bit envious of that aspect of his hubs...plus you can geek out and run ceramic bearings if you want to be a nerd!
 
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I have the 135 Hugi FR with the 12mm. The hub did crack parallel to the axle. It was several years old no reciept DT stood by it and sent me a brand new unit FAST. They do need regular maintance but are flawless preformers.
I have two Hadleys 150x12 minor problem with one seems to be fine since repair. Some pedaling on one other is a vacation bike. I have gone through several rear hubs over the years I do pedal A LOT great plains and all.
I also have a question. Any thoughts on ringle jumping flea? I bought a used bike with these. 20mm front and a 150 x 12 rear I really don't need them I have them priced at $350 here and on CL is that a fair price for seller and buyer? They are in "great" condition. Is shipping pricey on wheels? I don't see the point to sell them any cheaper as to the replacement cost should I need to.
 
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