I've been a huge fan of Shogun for years, but man, I have a hard time seeing him winning this fight. I have a hard time seeing anybody beating Bones. I'm a huge fan of him too. I hate seeing these kinds of fights. I don't want either of them to lose. Man, it has the potential to be one of the best fights in a long damn time. Bones is innovative with his moves and unorthodox style. Shogun is a veteran now that has a different style too. They're both really good on the ground. Damn, it better be a good fight.
If they were still fighting Pride rules nobody (at 205) would stand a chance against Shogun right now except maybe Silva.
I hope he stays LHW Champ for a while!
I hope he stays LHW Champ for a while!
yeah its not like wrestlers would benefit from being able to knee a downed opponent, especially with the unstoppable tdd like shoguns
It all depends on who can suprise who. Both of them have never fought a fighter like the other. Shogun has the upper hand with going 5 rounds before. I think if he is in the zone he will maul Jones but his performances are not consistent. I really hope he pulles an Anderson Silva on Jones
I think youre forgetting about the black belt in BJJ and the fact that hes a tuff soab.yeah its not like wrestlers would benefit from being able to knee a downed opponent, especially with the unstoppable tdd like shoguns
If I were Jones I would be very happy that Shogun can't kick my head in while I'm down.yeah its not like wrestlers would benefit from being able to knee a downed opponent, especially with the unstoppable tdd like shoguns
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Jones isn't ready for Shogun I don't think, but I'd love to see him prove me wrong. Anyway, I predict Jones will get clipped and fall.
theres no difference with bjj in pride vs ufc as far as i knowI think youre forgetting about the black belt in BJJ and the fact that hes a tuff soab.
I think the point being made here is that Wrestlers are ground fighters and take down specialists, grapplers, etc.theres no difference with bjj in pride vs ufc as far as i know
BJJ fighters are ground fighting take down specialists/grapplers.
One in the same as far as the ability to take opponents down and use the kneeing downed opponents rule to their advantage.
Think of guys like Hendo who benefited from this rule in pride but had difficulty in the ufc, or a shogun who could benfit from this as well.....
His BJJ usually keeps him out of situations like this is what Im saying.theres no difference with bjj in pride vs ufc as far as i know
Shogun was usually the one in Pride that was king in stomping, kicking downed opponents to the head after setting it up in his ground game as rockofullrs video shows...
The whole adaptation story is why I said Shogun would be stronger if still fighting in Pride rules.
Jones for me is a mix between Silva and Shogun but with less experiance.
Whoever wins, I think it will be a interesting match with some vicious kickboxing and a KO on either side to finish it off.
Or at least thats what Im hoping for.
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Why because he is black like Silva and built like a freakin' brick like Shogun?
Sorry man just messing with you
I put some action on the fight with my co-worker, our usual bet of $1.His BJJ usually keeps him out of situations like this is what Im saying.
Shogun was usually the one in Pride that was king in stomping, kicking downed opponents to the head after setting it up in his ground game as rockofullrs video shows...
The whole adaptation story is why I said Shogun would be stronger if still fighting in Pride rules.
Jones for me is a mix between Silva and Shogun but with less experiance.
Whoever wins, I think it will be a interesting match with some vicious kickboxing and a KO on either side to finish it off.
Or at least thats what Im hoping for.
I know Shogun is the favorite, but I like Jon Jones.
I will probably be begging for change come Monday....
Shogun is the betting underdog, Jones if the favorite. Look at the odds at betting sites or even at pros picks at sherdog.
I was gonna say unorthodox like Silva and ferocious like Shogun...Why because he is black like Silva and built like a freakin' brick like Shogun?
Sorry man just messing with you
I never even noticed Silva was black.
Surprised that Shogun is the underdog but I guess he is a little inconsistent as said before.
Allthough I think sometimes mistake a different gameplan for inconsistancy like in Shogun vs Machida 1.
He was cautious with Machida which cost him the first match.
If he does that with Jones he might get caught.
Hell, with Jones he might get caught no matter what, i just hope they put on a good show before either of them get KTFO!
Yeah, I noticed that after I posted it.
I don't know how Jones can be the favorite. I suppose I should throw down some real $$$ on Shogun.
I wouldnt throw money on that fight. Shogun is really unpredictable. He can show up in top form or a half cripple with no will to fight. Risky business.
It's a tough fight to call. I'm not sure there is a chin in the LTHW class that can take a hard shot from Jones. If he gets one of those hay makers to land early, it will be a short night.
What fights do u base this on? Shogun vs Griffin comes to mind but more because Shogun was out of shape and new to the cage.
Just curious.
I'm not a huge Shogun fun, but I assume that was earlier in his career.
i remember watching that fight. It was a tournament. Ricardo Arona beat Wand the fight before, then Shogun knocked Arona the eff out shortly after this highlight.
Gotta remember, Shogun is a leg lock masta. Someone should find that leg lock he put on Kevin Randleman.
Here's a link. I can't remember how to post vids. Good highlights, and a brutal leg lock at the end.
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Shogun was bad ass in Pride for sure. I think if he can get inside and take it to the ground, he'll beat Jones. But if Jones catches him clean, it's lights out. Nobody has tested Jones's chin, so it could go the other way.
Ill still take the Ex Shute Boxe, Pride dominating, LHW title holding ferocious bad ass over the no name beating (though talented and dangerous) rookie...
That said, im a total Shogun fan boy and anything can happen. Cant wait to see this fight!
That said, im a total Shogun fan boy and anything can happen. Cant wait to see this fight!
What fights do u base this on? Shogun vs Griffin comes to mind but more because Shogun was out of shape and new to the cage.
Just curious.
Forrest and Coleman Fights. In the Coleman fight he won but that wasnt a stellar display of skill. Its not that I dont belive that Shogun wont win. I belive but he had a long layoff and we still have no idea how his knee will perform. If he is healthy, trained and motivated Jones will get mauled hands down but its his fight too lose and Im not to eager to bet on someone coming off an injury after a long break.
eat your words now shogun fanboys. He got ****ing mauled, He was barely in the fight at all. Damn the kid made it look easy.
That's what it looks like to me. Gotta to find a replay...
Awsome for Jones!!
cant wait to see the fight!
cant wait to see the fight!
Those words taste like crap btw!!
That kid can scrap most of the stand-up he basically palmed palmed shoguns face and held him at arms length and punch him. Pretty gnarly for a dude whose only been training mma for 3 years. Add to the fact that he didnt seem the slightest bit tired at all, when Shogun threw punches that took 10 minutes to reach their destination.
I cant help but think Dana threw Shogun to Jones because he knew Evans couldnt beat him and wanted to put Jones/Evans card together. That should be an interesting fight though.
Id really like to see spider go up and fight jones, they both are unorthodox and inventive enough to make a fantastic card.
I cant help but think Dana threw Shogun to Jones because he knew Evans couldnt beat him and wanted to put Jones/Evans card together. That should be an interesting fight though.
Id really like to see spider go up and fight jones, they both are unorthodox and inventive enough to make a fantastic card.
I agree. Shogun looked slow. I know its hard to get over that reach but he didnt even circle properly. Just stood there like he was UFC Cro-cop or sth. That fight made me sad. Id get it if we seen Shogun 100% but as Ive said before in this thread - it was his fight to loose and he lost it.
Though this fight really show how young a sport MMA is if there can be such a differance in a champioship fight.
Though this fight really show how young a sport MMA is if there can be such a differance in a champioship fight.
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Yeah cuz boxing in the Tyson era was totally even matched or kickboxing in the Dale Apollo cook era.
For the above... that spinning elbow is freaking nasty... did that thing land? Hard to tell from the gif if the elbow landed clean.
BTW... words above, eaten. I knew jones was talented, but I though shogun would have something for him... guess not.
If Silva wants a good fight, bring it to Jones. that would be ****ing epic. two guys who strike nasty and in strange ways and how awesome would it be for Jones to beat Silva, who is easily the best fighter in the world right now.
Exactly what I was thinking. 2 Lanky dudes with crazy striking. Silva is more accurate, jones more creative... I don't know why AS hasn't gone for the LHW title. Since Hendo, 80% of his fights have been against chump contenders.
Silva has been quoted as saying that the 205 belt is Machida's. they are friends, and would never fight. that was before machida lost it though.
I think that Anderson is looking for the giant payday that would come with the GSP fight. After issuing GSP a beating, I think that AS will move up and end his career at 205.
The spinning elbow landed, but it was not flush. The liver shot to knee is what sealed the deal.
Thats a BS argument. Tyson was a Junior Heavyweight Olympic Champion 5 years before he became the undisputed heavyweight champion. He started boxing at 12 and so it was 8 years not 3. Thats a huge differance. Not to mention his first wins against the greats of the sport didnt come 3 years after he went pro.
My argument is not someone young steamrolling through the sport but someone who is fairly inexperienced. Yes he has wrestling experiance but so do many MMA fighters and they dont kill anyone they touch.