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Turbo Monkey
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I have new set of m815,the hardware supplied for the chainring is no good.

IS there so sort of spacers required to make my bashring and chainring bolt up properly so it doesn't stay loose and jingly,has anyone modified the hardware IE grinding the black lockwasher,or is my chainring to thin hense why there is play ????

I checked box for chainguide and crank box,no additional hardwre it seems.

all help is appreciated
 
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You can file them or buy spacers at your local shop. I've done both, but prefer just buying the spacers (more versatility of the bolts for future set-ups) I'm assuming you're running some sort of lg-1 type guide with no bashing? Just run your spacers on the outside where the bash would go. Good luck!!
 
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Turbo Monkey
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im running a silent guide with bash,I tried flipping my chainring around so that I could gain a few mm's without having the small groove ( for the black washer ) but still no dice.


BAck to the lbs tommorow I guess,still dont have tires.Thanks.

p.s dear shimano,make something that works out the flipping box.
 
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What is a silent guide? What bash are you running? It would be strange if your ring and hardware didn't work with the saint bashguard.
 
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I'm not sure if this answers your question, but because of the oversized tabs on the Saint cranks, you need to buy the Saint-specific Straitline Silent Guide, which comes with the Saint-compatible bash guard.

The oversized tabs are in my opinion a stupid and unnecessary design feature of the cranks. Pretty much the only result of these differently sized tabs is a lack of compatibility with aftermarket bash guards, as I have never heard of anyone breaking their crank's tabs.
 
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I suggest grinding the retainers or getting 2 ring bolts. I had to grind two and had two lying around.no probs for two years. Lg1+ here
 
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actually come to think of it, I used some SRP alloy bolts I had lying around as well. So, shorter bolts and shorter retainers.

I tried single ring, too short. You need double, I think.
 
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brownie1664

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I had the same problem with my new Saints. Running the renthal ring and a lg1+, the supplied boltset was just to long. Ended up grinding down the bolts and retainers as i didnt want spacers on the outside. With the price you pay and the fact the cranks are supplied without a bash gaurd i think they should supply a narrow set in the box as well!! cheap skates!! Or is that me for not buying some narrow ones!!
 
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ZHendo said:
I'm not sure if this answers your question, but because of the oversized tabs on the Saint cranks, you need to buy the Saint-specific Straitline Silent Guide, which comes with the Saint-compatible bash guard.

The oversized tabs are in my opinion a stupid and unnecessary design feature of the cranks. Pretty much the only result of these differently sized tabs is a lack of compatibility with aftermarket bash guards, as I have never heard of anyone breaking their crank's tabs.
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Lack of compatibility? Sh!tmano? You don't say?! Remember the 960 crankset/rings? And unless I've been under a rock (or buried ass-deep in books), the new 980 cranks are using some other non-standard BCD again. Good times!
 
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brownie1664 said:
I had the same problem with my new Saints. Running the renthal ring and a lg1+, the supplied boltset was just to long. Ended up grinding down the bolts and retainers as i didnt want spacers on the outside. With the price you pay and the fact the cranks are supplied without a bash gaurd i think they should supply a narrow set in the box as well!! cheap skates!! Or is that me for not buying some narrow ones!!
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The stock bolts work just fine with a bashless chainguide like the LG1+. You just flip the top hat spacers over and voila!
 
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Pau11y said:
Lack of compatibility? Sh!tmano? You don't say?! Remember the 960 crankset/rings? And unless I've been under a rock (or buried ass-deep in books), the new 980 cranks are using some other non-standard BCD again. Good times!
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2 of the 3 980 crank models use a 64/104 BCD.
 
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I've been having some chainline ishues,

83mm cup,I have 1 spacer on each side ( running 5mm iscg chain device ) diagram says no spacer,yet without it rubs.

I want to knwo how you guys are running your set-ups ( those with 83mm cups and iscg type devices )
 
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two black spacers on the cranks, 83mm BB, LG1+, single thick black spacers on the guide.

I think that's how I had it last year...the bike is mostly disassembled but the cranks and guide are installed; spacing looks fine.

I could have sworn the instruction manual said two spacers on the drive side.
 
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p-spec said:
I've been having some chainline ishues,

83mm cup,I have 1 spacer on each side ( running 5mm iscg chain device ) diagram says no spacer,yet without it rubs.

I want to knwo how you guys are running your set-ups ( those with 83mm cups and iscg type devices )
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by iscg device, you mean the BB to iscg adapters? If thats the case, i would look at a skinnyer one. The few i have sitting around all are tapered down to 1-3mm. (guessed)I would keep the spacers, and set it up as if it were not there. I dont think it will have any issues on the cranks. In theory it should also fit fine and work.
 
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ZHendo said:
I'm not sure if this answers your question, but because of the oversized tabs on the Saint cranks, you need to buy the Saint-specific Straitline Silent Guide, which comes with the Saint-compatible bash guard.

The oversized tabs are in my opinion a stupid and unnecessary design feature of the cranks. Pretty much the only result of these differently sized tabs is a lack of compatibility with aftermarket bash guards, as I have never heard of anyone breaking their crank's tabs.
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I've bent tabs on the old saint cranks. I have a feeling it might have been the same case for a few team riders or something for them to have changed it. It's less of an issue now with bashguards moved to the chain device, but if you're still running the guard on the crank then I think it's useful.
 
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I've bent G-lite tabs and a buddy did the same to his 800 Saints. I like the tabs on my new saints, as everyone with a low BB should. Even with a taco, you can still hit a rock with your chainring if a big rock gets between your wheels and you hit it from the front where it's unprotected. Sure, tabs may act as fuses to protect the cranks/frame from bending, but aligning a bent tab has been enough of a pita for me.
 
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Am I right in saying that you definitely need a Saint compatible bashguard to fit the tabs on the crankarm and that you can use any double-length set of chainring bolts if you don't have the originals?

The Saint M815/810 chainring bolts seem to be out of stock everywhere. I'm looking to use a Straintline Silent Guide on M815's.
 
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6thElement said:
Am I right in saying that you definitely need a Saint compatible bashguard to fit the tabs on the crankarm and that you can use any double-length set of chainring bolts if you don't have the originals?

The Saint M815/810 chainring bolts seem to be out of stock everywhere. I'm looking to use a Straintline Silent Guide on M815's.
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I filed my factory nuts down, and used double ring bolts. I use an LG1+, so no bashguard. Not sure if that helps, but maybe it'll provide a degree of insight.
 
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Turbo Monkey
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6thElement said:
Am I right in saying that you definitely need a Saint compatible bashguard to fit the tabs on the crankarm and that you can use any double-length set of chainring bolts if you don't have the originals?

The Saint M815/810 chainring bolts seem to be out of stock everywhere. I'm looking to use a Straintline Silent Guide on M815's.
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You must use a saint dedicated chaindevice/rock ring if that answers your question
 
6thElement

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Thanks, what about chainring bolts, will normal double bolts work or is the chainring+bashguard+crank tabs too thick with the thicker saint tabs?
 
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Turbo Monkey
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Well,I run a straitline guide,wich has a thin bashguard,I could not use the orriginal bling bolts.

I used a replacement set from truvativ ( only thing sram on my bike ) they are like 12 bux from a lbs wich is a rip but wats new.
 
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Just so you know, with the renthal ring the machined logos go on the inside, and not the outside, so you should be using regular bolts (8.5mm if I remember correctly)

I sold my Renthal ring and went back to a narrower e13 ring, and so did a lot of guys in the uk who had this issue. Because the Renthal is so thick and the chain is on the centre it can get stuck between the bash and chainring even if you have the saint specific bash. Solution is a narrower 3mm chainring - mrp/e13/gamut etc
 
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