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norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
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Antidote has just showed their Lifeline Carbon frame.




3.0kg w/o shock. Frame will be sold in 3 travell options 200mm/170/140.


Also - Carbon bar and ti bolt dm stem.

 

ricod

Chimp
Mar 23, 2010
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What is the geo going to be like? If it stays dh oriented for all travel options it could be a killer mini dh. The 140mm would destroy a course like sea otter. The 170mm w. dh angles would be a dream come true
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,346
1,587
Warsaw :/
What is the geo going to be like? If it stays dh oriented for all travel options it could be a killer mini dh. The 140mm would destroy a course like sea otter. The 170mm w. dh angles would be a dream come true
Their site is crap for me right now. Not worky. Ill post it when they give it up on the local forums.
The bar seems heavy-ish though. Compared to Syntance/Easton/Enve.
 

ricod

Chimp
Mar 23, 2010
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thanks, not really concerned with the bar though.
On a side note, does anyone do an exogrid ti/carbon bar? I'm sure that would silence most naysayers
 

trib

not worthy of a Rux.
Jun 22, 2009
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All this progression is getting too much. Brings back 15" bbs, steep front ends and forks that could be used as boat anchors
 

Slater

Monkey
Oct 10, 2007
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I'm really surprised more people aren't afraid of what'll happen to their carbon DH bikes when they eat it in a rock garden. If it weren't for that I'd be all over some crabon.
 

Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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I'm really surprised more people aren't afraid of what'll happen to their carbon DH bikes when they eat it in a rock garden. If it weren't for that I'd be all over some crabon.
Im 'afraid' it will brush it off like an alu frame can only dream of.

Why is it the engineers have its back, and we even have at least one season of pros beating the crap out of the current offerings, yet joe everyday has some superior insight into the 'dangers of carbon'

Anything you can do to an Alu frame I can do 2x harder to my V10c, and be 1/10th as worried about the outcome. (Drop it, jump it, case it, hit it with a hammer - it will bounce off unmarked, where your alu will dent, crease, fail...)

Stop with the silly. Do they make Bulletproof vests with alu? nope.
 

Slater

Monkey
Oct 10, 2007
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Why did I even bother posting?

Lesson learned.

BTW let me know when you post a vid of you hitting your V10C with a hammer. Would love to see that. Seriously.
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,346
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Warsaw :/
Why did I even bother posting?

Lesson learned.

BTW let me know when you post a vid of you hitting your V10C with a hammer. Would love to see that. Seriously.
I will buy a v10c and do it when you do the same to your alu frame. The carbonz hits rokz crakacraka, me sad thing is silly. What do you mean eat it? Crash on a sharp rock? Yeah because alu frames take it like no other...
Why everyone on the internet likes the newzzz but when its carbon everybody is like - **** I almost screwed my mother but Im not getting back to my delorian, I love my 2001.

PS. 3.0kg carbon frame has me worried but Im pretty sure the fury at 3.5kg w/o shock would be enough to club a baby cow to death.
 

Slater

Monkey
Oct 10, 2007
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I will buy a v10c and do it when you do the same to your alu frame.
The fallacy in this logic is that it presumes you can know everything about the extent of the damage just by looking at it. As many composites engineers will tell you, this is not so.

But hey, the consumers who can tell if a carbon frame is ok after bouncing off a rock are the same ones who can tell the quality and strength of an aluminum frame just by looking at the welds. If they look good, they certainly must be good!
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,346
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Warsaw :/
The fallacy in this logic is that it presumes you can know everything about the extent of the damage just by looking at it. As many composites engineers will tell you, this is not so.

But hey, the consumers who can tell if a carbon frame is ok after bouncing off a rock are the same ones who can tell the quality and strength of an aluminum frame just by looking at the welds. If they look good, they certainly must be good!
Seriously I like how you go all brainiac on me and assume what I think. I was pointing out the same fallacy in your thinking you now want to point out in mine so stop being a hypocrite.
 

trib

not worthy of a Rux.
Jun 22, 2009
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Guys we get it, some of you like carbon. Some of you like alu and some of you wouldn't be seen dead riding anything other than steel.

No one is forcing you to buy any of them so stop whining and be glad there's a choice of high end rigs to pick from.
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
11,346
1,587
Warsaw :/
Not to mention there is a very light alu antidote frame. Unless they stop making it it should be an option for people who plan on crashing in the rocks.
 

boone

Monkey
Jun 27, 2005
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This thread is hilarious!
"Club a baby cow..." Amazeballz!

That vid of their 170mm offering is great either way.
 

Slater

Monkey
Oct 10, 2007
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Seriously I like how you go all brainiac on me and assume what I think. I was pointing out the same fallacy in your thinking you now want to point out in mine so stop being a hypocrite.

Whoa whoa whoa. Not trying to get you all riled up. Sheesh. This carbon stuff is srs busineess!
 

Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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Why did I even bother posting?

Lesson learned.

BTW let me know when you post a vid of you hitting your V10C with a hammer. Would love to see that. Seriously.
Cop out #1

Why did you bother? What your saying is nonsense, Its 'bunk' - no I wont intentionally hit my own frame with a hammer, yes its stronger than whatever frame you have. Why dont you read up on the testing cycles and how they're several times what causes alu frames to fail, why dont you pay attention to the facts and not your personal uninformed prejudices?

The people who naysay carbon at this point are stuboorn curmudgeons, its not a matter of like, its a matter of when are you going to get it through your thick head.
 
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Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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Guys we get it, some of you like carbon. Some of you like alu and some of you wouldn't be seen dead riding anything other than steel.

No one is forcing you to buy any of them so stop whining and be glad there's a choice of high end rigs to pick from.
People can like what they want, just not talk out of their caboose nonsense based on 7th party conjecture from some guy they knew who broke a 5 year old carbon seatpost that weighed 89 grams.

Heck, the wonderbike has an alu swingarm, Carbon didnt fit the bill - not perfect for everything.
 

Slater

Monkey
Oct 10, 2007
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Hahaha the bike industry's marketing machine is unmatched!

I apologize for my uninformed prejudices, and being a curmudgeon.

Carry on bros.
 

Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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wonder if would be beneficial at all to use a carbon/kevlar mix in a frame
I think the kevlar has a tendency to deform plastically in a way that doesnt recover enough, where the CF does but has a greater chance of shear and penetration.

Maybe a hybrid, an 'alloy' cretaed in a garage somewhere in PA.
 
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Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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Hahaha the bike industry's marketing machine is unmatched!

I apologize for my uninformed prejudices, and being a curmudgeon.

Carry on bros.
Cop out #2.

No marketing, reality. Where does your info come from? Guessing? Aside from the technical data, and my own experience, as well as that of many others, I also saw steve peat nose out crash a 30mph 15' drop to flat at Windham - no shattered frame, sissy carbon cant take a crash no? Oh, just one crash - dont know what happened later -- so I could suppose the worse, or notice the obvious.




Carry on yourself.
 
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Slater

Monkey
Oct 10, 2007
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Cop out #2.

No marketing, reality. Where does your info come from? Guessing? Aside from the technical data, and my own experience, as well as that of many others, I also saw steve peat nose out crash a 30mph 15' drop to flat at Windham - no shattered frame, sissy carbon cant take a crash no? Oh, just one crash - dont know what happened later -- so I could suppose the worse, or notice the obvious.




Carry on yourself.
Speaking at length with an individual who has designed both the structures and manufacutring techniques for many different composite aerospace and industrial products over the last 30 years.

Sorry, but I trust him more than I do you, and the bike industry that is trying to sell me their latest and greatest.
 

bullcrew

3 Dude Approved
I want a chromoly frame!!! That way I can hit it with a hammer while crashing in the rocks!!!!
:thumb: Literally I do want a chromo bike.... 1 bike good geo 170mm travel and be done....

Nice looking bike BTW and carbon is pretty stout, theres always going to be arguments between the 2 look at the front of certain bikes cracking off and they are aluminum and still sell really well...
 

Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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I want a chromoly frame!!! That way I can hit it with a hammer while crashing in the rocks!!!!
:thumb: Literally I do want a chromo bike.... 1 bike good geo 170mm travel and be done....

Nice looking bike BTW and carbon is pretty stout, theres always going to be arguments between the 2 look at the front of certain bikes cracking off and they are aluminum and still sell really well...
When GT Furys and V10c's start breaking, Ill start thinking about it!

'Speaking at length with an individual...' - I have had this discussion with a breadth of qualified people, engineers (Including my own Pop, whom I trust more than your random individual) over the years, and NONE of them have ever had any doubt to applying CF/Thermoplastics to bicycle frames, on up to CF bladed turbines. Nonsense.

Latest and greatest, good for you - hop on your Trek 830 and friction shifters and get with disdaining progress some more.

Nonsense.
 
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Huck Banzai

Turbo Monkey
May 8, 2005
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I want a chromoly frame!!! That way I can hit it with a hammer while crashing in the rocks!!!!
:thumb: Literally I do want a chromo bike.... 1 bike good geo 170mm travel and be done....

Nice looking bike BTW and carbon is pretty stout, theres always going to be arguments between the 2 look at the front of certain bikes cracking off and they are aluminum and still sell really well...
If Doc would get the SuperCo's out the door, I would be on that instead of this Carbon for sure.

The only Steel bikes I like are made by Mr. Boudreaux, and Ill take one (if he'll make an XL...) over anything else!!
 

Slater

Monkey
Oct 10, 2007
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When GT Furys and V10c's start breaking, Ill start thinking about it!

'Speaking at length with an individual...' - I have had this discussion with a breadth of qualified people, engineers (Including my own Pop, whom I trust more than your random individual) over the years, and NONE of them have ever had any doubt to applying CF/Thermoplastics to bicycle frames, on up to CF bladed turbines. Nonsense.

Latest and greatest, good for you - hop on your Trek 830 and friction shifters and get with disdaining progress some more.

Nonsense.