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Monkey
Jul 24, 2009
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Thats the thing, trying before buying and try to test bikes with a similar setup as you yourself is going to run.
 

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Chimp
Jun 22, 2009
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Finally got my frame this week. After building it up I'm struck by the attention to detail:

- torque settings just where you need them on the frame graphics
- awesome cable routing with the screw down cable clamps, even having 5mm one side for brake, and 4mm the other side for shifter plus the writing on the inside telling you which is which
- the ingenious piggy-back mounted cable guide
- the deurailler hanger mount & axle pinch bolt combo
- custom chain slap protection that part screws on
- so freakin easy to get the shock out - omg what a revelation
- forward thinking with bb30 (shame SRAM is slow out of the gate on that one)
- smoooooth welds etc for easy cleaning
I'm sure the list goes on but that's what comes to mind.

My only minor niggles so far is having to run my upper 888 crown with a 5mm spacer under it cos otherwise it hits the top tube although this will be solved if/when Marzocchi make a flat crown.

Damn I hope it rides as good as it's designed. So excited for it's first ride tonight!!
 
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Nagaredama

Turbo Monkey
Nov 15, 2004
1,596
2
Manhattan Beach, CA USA
do you have to use that derailleur guard with SRAM? with that guard on, i can't get to my 11T gear. it physically acts as a stop.
Good question. I know my Saint works perfect. Considering the stock bikes come with SRAM RD's and 12-26 cassettes. I'm thing it might not work with a SRAM RD and 11 tooth cassette.

I have this style RD protector from my Enduro but I don't think it will work with 12mm axles. I"ll have have to check this weekend.
 
Dec 3, 2009
27
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Connecticut
I ordered a large flo yellow frame through a bike shop last november, and the owner said they should be in by the end of feb or beginning of march. I talked to him recently to see wtf is going on, and he said he hasn't heard anything from specialized that there is an issue so he's just waiting.

does anyone know if there's some sort of issue with availability of the flo yellow frames, specifically a large
 

Biffff

Monkey
Jan 10, 2006
913
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reading through this thread pisses me off so bad. The new Demo was to be my new bike at the end of this year, but there's issues with Fox 40's ( I have a 40), proprietary shock mount ( I have a CCDB I want to put on), and they designed it to only work with DT hubs?????? Why sell as a frame only if......only boxxers work right, and only certain hubs work right. Unless they fix all these issues I will stay away from the new Demo. Its like Spec went out of their way to make this bike a Fvckin nightmare for frame only buyers.
 

PDS RX

Monkey
Sep 11, 2007
145
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Richmond VA
reading through this thread pisses me off so bad. The new Demo was to be my new bike at the end of this year, but there's issues with Fox 40's ( I have a 40), proprietary shock mount ( I have a CCDB I want to put on), and they designed it to only work with DT hubs?????? Why sell as a frame only if......only boxxers work right, and only certain hubs work right. Unless they fix all these issues I will stay away from the new Demo. Its like Spec went out of their way to make this bike a Fvckin nightmare for frame only buyers.
CCDB fits, my Hope hubs fit fine, dorados and 888s also fit without the 40 bumpers, which by the way makes the 40 work with the frame and I don't think specialized lost any sleep over you not buying a frame
 

san_andreas

Chimp
Dec 16, 2010
54
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There are several hubs, that work with the frame without problems, e.g. Hope or DT. The CCDB will fit the Demo, if you order the right adapter.
And you can mount the Fox 40 using a headset with a high lower cup like this:
 

bizutch

Delicate CUSTOM flower
Dec 11, 2001
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I ordered a large flo yellow frame through a bike shop last november, and the owner said they should be in by the end of feb or beginning of march. I talked to him recently to see wtf is going on, and he said he hasn't heard anything from specialized that there is an issue so he's just waiting.

does anyone know if there's some sort of issue with availability of the flo yellow frames, specifically a large
I just sold my old wheels last night to a dude from Idaho who moved to Johnson City, TN recently. He had the brand spanking new yellow frame brand new in the back of his car. I have to assume by his height that he was on a medium though.

And that thing is seriously, seriously glossy.
 
Need to be careful with the dorado, under extreme load, you can compress the bumpers enough such that the lower crowns hit the downtube. My only gripe is that the headtube is way too short. My hope hubs bolt on just fine.

Overall I like this bike, even more than I did the 09 session
 

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Chimp
Jun 22, 2009
10
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I ordered a large flo yellow frame through a bike shop last november, and the owner said they should be in by the end of feb or beginning of march. I talked to him recently to see wtf is going on, and he said he hasn't heard anything from specialized that there is an issue so he's just waiting.

does anyone know if there's some sort of issue with availability of the flo yellow frames, specifically a large
Oh dear. Your shop should be chasing Speccy constantly otherwise you'll keep falling to the bottom of the pile. My shop have been chasing them since January and mine just turned up this week. It's worth the wait!
 

Biffff

Monkey
Jan 10, 2006
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CCDB fits, my Hope hubs fit fine, dorados and 888s also fit without the 40 bumpers, which by the way makes the 40 work with the frame and I don't think specialized lost any sleep over you not buying a frame
right..... so Hope and DT hubs work....otherwise its dremel time. So if you don't have hope or DT you either have to grind up a new frame or spend even more $$$$ to buy a new hub.....for what benefit??
I do like the taller headset option as opposed to using dodgy fork bumpers. I don't expect Spec to lose sleep over me, but maybe they should over the other thousand or so people in the same boat. I've never heard of a frame with this many limitations.
 

Christiaan

Monkey
Feb 27, 2004
525
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Weesp, The Netherlands
right..... so Hope and DT hubs work....otherwise its dremel time. So if you don't have hope or DT you either have to grind up a new frame or spend even more $$$$ to buy a new hub.....for what benefit??
I do like the taller headset option as opposed to using dodgy fork bumpers. I don't expect Spec to lose sleep over me, but maybe they should over the other thousand or so people in the same boat. I've never heard of a frame with this many limitations.
Chris King rear hub works fine too
 

ustemuf

Monkey
Apr 8, 2010
198
15
Bay Area
i have hadleys.. i just ground down the hub end cap diameter with a dremel.

as a reference for how much material i was taking off, i put a penny over the end cap, centered it, and used a black sharpie marker to mark around it. the material i took off was pretty much perfect as pennys are around 19mm and the demo was designed for 20mm end caps i think.

i didnt mess with the frame.

the method i used for dremeling was standing the wheel up so the hub end cap was facing me

then i used the dremel with a bit sorta looking like the 4th one from the left in this picture (although not as big of a "head" on the bit) --> http://www.naturalhorsetrim.com/Cheryls_dremel_bits.jpg

and held it next to the hub cap so that the dremel was still in place, and the end cap was spinning. did this for a bit to remove most of the material and then used the cylinder-sander bit to smooth it all out.
 

Huck_Finn

Chimp
Jul 4, 2009
23
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Quick question for any of any of the dealers, shop guys, or Mr. Boomslang... Does Specialized sell just the seatstay part of the rear end for the 2011 Demo? My first scratch on the bike was a huge dent on the seatstay (or whatever they would call the top most stay of the rear where the axle/brake/derailleur mount). I think its OK to ride for now, but its a nasty dent and I'd like to get that piece replaced.
 

gazzou

Chimp
Jan 5, 2011
14
0
Qc
How much spacers with E13 cranks, 2 drive and 1 non-drive or like in the E13manual instruction, 1 drive, 0 non-drive ???
 

jezso

Chimp
Dec 31, 2010
81
68
Dubai, UAE
How much spacers with E13 cranks, 2 drive and 1 non-drive or like in the E13manual instruction, 1 drive, 0 non-drive ???
I have used 1 on the drive and 0 on the other side. No other washers needed, except for that wavy one that goes between the crankarm and the bearing on the drive side. Be sure you see the radius of the spindle when mounting the non drive side crankarm. Should be working as it is working for me flawless. Hope I could help.
 

jasonvelocity

Monkey
Aug 26, 2008
177
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Palmer Lake, CO
Did you get the e13 cranks working with the built-in adapters? My cranks are on the way, and I was concerned I would have fit issues while waiting for the press fit cups to arrive.
 

gazzou

Chimp
Jan 5, 2011
14
0
Qc
I have used 1 on the drive and 0 on the other side. No other washers needed, except for that wavy one that goes between the crankarm and the bearing on the drive side. Be sure you see the radius of the spindle when mounting the non drive side crankarm. Should be working as it is working for me flawless. Hope I could help.
Thx, very helpful :thumb:
 

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Chimp
Jan 4, 2010
41
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Anybody else having trouble keeping the bb30 cup adapters flush?

I installed as per the directions with green loctite and the forward edge of the cup (drive side) starts to creep out (about 1mm) after a few rides. I already removed, rotated the cup, reinstalled, and the same sh!t happened. The Saints are also installed correctly with proper torque so Im out of ideas.
 
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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
3
Towing the party line.
Anybody else having trouble keeping the bb30 cup adapters flush?

I installed as per the directions with green loctite and the forward edge of the cup drive side starts to creep out (about 1mm) after a few rides. I already removed rotated the cup and reinstalled, and the same sh!t happened. The Saints are also installed correctly with proper torque so Im out of ideas.
I'm having the same issue with Descendants. The plastic cups just work their way out. During some routine maintenance this morning, I noticed the cup had slid almost 5mm out of the BB!
 

san_andreas

Chimp
Dec 16, 2010
54
0
But how can they work out ? Don't you screw your bottom bracket into the BB30 cups and then thighten the cranks ?

Doesn't that keep the cups in the housing ?
 
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IH8Rice

I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!
Aug 2, 2008
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Im over here now
During some routine maintenance this morning, I noticed the cup had slid almost 5mm out of the BB!
were the cranks arms almost falling off too?
id think that if your cranks were tight to begin with, the BB cups couldnt work their way out...unless you had 5mm of space b/w the crank and BB cup
 

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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
18,040
3
Towing the party line.
were the cranks arms almost falling off too?
id think that if your cranks were tight to begin with, the BB cups couldnt work their way out...unless you had 5mm of space b/w the crank and BB cup
The way descendants work they bottom out on one side with a floating bearing on the other. They will never sit tight on both sides of the BB (as with most cranks.)

In fact, the BB cups are still nice and tight in the adapters, and the crankbolts were bottomed out. I only noticed as I had to pull my chainguide to put in a new one for testing and was like...wtf?

BTW- it was driveside only. The non drive side has never had an issue.

Edit: Just talked with someone at Specialized. Seems like this has been noticed on Descendant cranksets with specialized's cups.
 
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Inclag

Turbo Monkey
Sep 9, 2001
2,750
439
MA
Anybody else having trouble keeping the bb30 cup adapters flush?

I installed as per the directions with green loctite and the forward edge of the cup (drive side) starts to creep out (about 1mm) after a few rides. I already removed, rotated the cup, reinstalled, and the same sh!t happened. The Saints are also installed correctly with proper torque so Im out of ideas.
Could always drill and tap the BB shell in a couple areas and install some 4-40 set screws to prevent the adapters from creeping.