You mean loud like when a Saints pivots blow out?
Pivots, springs, everything. I have not encountered a quiet shimano derail. They feel great (only sram x.0 shifter has similar shifting quality as the higher shimano models imho) but Id only use shimano for road bikes where they have no chance to rattle.
Short cage slx mechs, and 4pot xtr trail brakes with their current lineup. So easy to implement yet so much better.
I've had 3 days of riding on the 2012 XTR derailleurs, and they work ridiculously well at eliminating chain slap, snapping precise shifts, and overall making your bike super quiet and smooth.
Is this the one you are using, the XTR Shadow Plus that has the switch? Do you think the XTR derailleurs with the new dampening stabilizer will eliminate the need for chainguides? At least on trail bikes?
You are crazy
I stopped using GripShift on my dh bike after I starded to shift on harsh landings. If your bike has some chain stretch it will rip your derail out off it very often. For trailbike though I still love them 
traitor!
sounds like user error. 15 year on gripshift and not a single mis-shift...even on large hitsYou are crazy
For a long time it never happened to me but after I was unable to race because of that I decided to ditch it.traitor!
sounds like user error. 15 year on gripshift and not a single mis-shift...even on large hits
well, it is true. i never keep enough of my hand on the shifter to have a mis-shift.btw. Thats a bold claim. No issues but misshifts happen
Yep, that's the one. Whether it completely eliminates the need for a chainguide on a trail bike is up for debate, but it definitely does a great job controlling the chain. I'll probably continue to run a DRS due to my loyalty to my old company (e13 for life, yo), but whether I actually *need* it . . . who knows. If nothing else it's great peace of mind and the bashguard protects the rings.
Craig, have you guys tested this new RD out yet? Will this solve the issue of fitting dual ring chainguides on VPP2 Tracer for example, since you won't need it anymore, assuming this RD keeps the bike from dropping chains?
Trying to get hold of cages on their own is a nightmare though (at least in the uk). I can't just take them of my m810 as I smashed that to pieces already.
Oh, I know. Just info for the people who thought a short cage on anything but Saint wasn't possible.
Are you at least on 9 speed now?
Not really a problem here in Germany. Bought two sets a while ago for my saint derailleur. But they are 30 Euros per set.
F no. Still rolling on 8.
you really think its that easy to trigger the apocalyps, do you?
I
8 spd. Haven't gotten to run it in a few years now, but I am running a Dura Ace rear der...b/c roadies are snobs. $50 brand new from a shop b/c it's last years color. 
Can you post a pic? I'm used to the version in the Pinkbike review. Gee's tires have tighter spaced blocks with no "Kaiser" logo...
I think it has to do more with the camera shot than anything. You can find my pics here:
Right. You've got the version I have. I agree, great tire indeed. But, there's a notable difference to my eye...I think it has to do more with the camera shot than anything. You can find my pics here:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Team-RM-East/198574363492842
Had my first run on them this past weekend. I have to say I am impressed and happy with them. I have not had a tire that was as good as the Michelin Comp 16 till now. Finally a tire I can trust to push hard on......
Cecil
You're right. But see how the other version's labeled Kaiser? I need to talk to my rep. about this. It's almost like there's either an international version of the tire, or a prototype maybe...?
Talked to the Conti brand manager at SOC. Those prototypes are called Der Ramstein. He wasn't sure if they would keep that name on the production version or not. He didn't know what the time line for their release would be either. He did say they would be coming.
yeah, someone mentioned it in the S.A. WC thread too and also in the vital coverage i believe
Cool. Thanks for the info. It's a tire I want to try. Personally, I hope it's a touch smaller than the Kaiser, but I'm sure they'll use the same casing as a base.
