come on....
This can't possibly be advantageous.....
- Thread starter Ian Collins
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hahah what is that, 59º? or less? Orange county chopperS¿
In certain places it is a huge advantage, in my opinion. People should give super slack a chance if their trails are steep and tech or just ridiculously fast.
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I agree with you but Ft William (where I presume the pic's from) isn't really either.
pic may not portray it accurately enough for Ridemonkey but it certainly looks a lot slacker than Fabien's (or anyone's for that matter)
Ooooooohhhh...the real stunner is the helium filled helmet. That fokker is floating away. Sneaky frenchie....
pic may not portray it accurately enough for Ridemonkey but it certainly looks a lot slacker than Fabien's (or anyone's for that matter)
It's a modified marzocchi fender. you can modify downtube fenders as well very easily by drilling four holes and using zip ties to secure it in place. very stable, though the marzocchi fender is even bigger.
use your imagination how you would drill new holes to mount around the fork arch.
uuuh, it has been many fenders, including a marzocchi, which is the same idea, but now appears to be mainly the d-fender:
and:
one of the older styles they used as well:
really, anything works much better right along the fork arch than a head tube mount or even a tube across the stanchions. I'm surprised more people don't use that style.
I bet you could. Don't you ride Whistler and Squamish all year? I am sure you could adapt for the first day or two and then you would start to see where the advantages are. The disadvantages are pretty easy to get over with a little body English.
I am talking about 60°-62°, btw. I haven't tried any slacker. I started the season on 61.5° and I am now at 60° and I think it is so much fun! I wouldn't run it on a pedally track, however.
That's actually UCI Commissaire Kelvin Hoy.
Is nobody smart enough to make a triangle and figure out their head angle?
I wanted to be sure because I don't ride the a2c height the geo was designed around. I was close in my estimates but it is nice to know exactly what it is since it feels good to me.
@Udi - Did it work?
I'm curious. My bike's a hair over 63 right now. That's with the crowns all the way down. I'd move them up a little but don't want the bars higher. Guess I could get a lower stem and try it.
I also want to try 650b wheels just for giggles if anyone ever does a reasonable DH tire. Pretty sure they'd fit on my current bike. Got an extra set of cheapo hubs sitting around that I meant to build into a backup wheelset, but never bothered that would be perfect.
I also want to try 650b wheels just for giggles if anyone ever does a reasonable DH tire. Pretty sure they'd fit on my current bike. Got an extra set of cheapo hubs sitting around that I meant to build into a backup wheelset, but never bothered that would be perfect.
Cool. I'm currently running a flat bar, but a not very low stem (e.13 Ali). The bike has a pretty long HT, a standard 1.125 external headset, and a mega low BB, so the stack is kinda high. It feels great as is, but I'd love to be able to run the fork a little higher in the crowns to make the BB a hair higher, and the head angle a little slacker.
There's something wrong with your headtube. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I seems that you are missing something...I do that too. I have my crown as close to my TT as possible (2mm or so) and a low stem so I can raise my fork but keep my hands where I want them. This is my old frame. I have my fork a little higher now.
Haha, there is a -2° head tube sleeve in there my friend made on his lathe. He put the bearing seats at exactly the height I needed to get my top crown as close to the TT as possible. I wanted to run my fork tall and my hands low without a flat bar. Lots of my friends are machinists and welders so we are always making stuff in the garage. I like testing out all sorts of ideas.
I was referring to the lack of a head tube.
It is there. That is not the steerer you see if that is what you mean. It is a home garage made head tube sleeve.
Interesting. How tall are you? I've found that riding some really steep trails (which I imagine is basically all you ride) that higher bars are a godsend. Might just be a height thing and maybe yours are proportionally right. I'd assume you've tried running your bars a lot higher. Can you just not corner as well?
Am I right in remembering that you're pretty much wookie sized?
My take (at 6' tall with stupid long arms) is that if the bars get too high it gets hard to muscle the front end of the bike around. While having really low bars is a detriment on really steep stuff, as far as feeling like you're going OTB all the time is concerned, I've found that I'm more comfortable with them lowish, even on steep stuff. This may be in part because my arms are so long, and thus getting waaay back on the bike is easier for me. Not sure. And of course it's totally possible to overdo it and go too low.
Slack HA's are a deff advantage to some courses, Im testing mine right now and its super slack. You have to ride the bike aggressive the whole time or it will ride you. It really does feel like a chopper in the parking lot but in the steeper bits of trails that I have ridden makes it feel relaxing to ride which is nice. I would like to test this bike on some real steep trails and really see how much better it feels.
You guys will see it soon enough!
You guys will see it soon enough!
don't get me wrong, i love slack head angles....my bike sits at 62.8 ish, so i'm no stranger to a raked out bike....that thing is just flat out silly...looks like 58/59 deg with a 50" wheelbase....
If I understood correctly in this video http://dirt.mpora.com/news/dirttvfort-william-world-cup-bikes-weights-measures.html, His HA is 62°. If I remember correctly, Gwin's HA angle is 62° also... interesting.