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Huck_Finn

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Jul 4, 2009
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Wow. If you click on the "Where to buy" link it states, "Unfortunately, at this time, Ironhorse Bikes are not sold in the United States.". Then again, after looking at those things, no one here will miss them.
 

AndySTi

Chimp
Apr 3, 2010
21
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Siberia
So does this mean we'll be seeing a revised version of the Sunday somewhere in the near future?
 
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S.K.C.

Turbo Monkey
Feb 28, 2005
4,096
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Pa. / North Jersey
So does this mean we'll be seeing a revised version of the Sunday somewhere in the near future?
If by "revised" you mean a few small changes to dw's original design, (since he designed the Sunday from the ground up)

No. (thank God)

:D

[I'm not trying to speak on dw's behalf, but I.H.'s useage rights on the dw-link expired a year before production stopped, and since Dave designed the frame as well, I would have to deduce that there will be no continuation of the Sunday as we know it.]

If by "revised" you mean "something completely different", then in that case based on sketches of design concepts I saw before I.H. completely went to hell:

...maybe.

Either way - it will be interesting to see how things unfold.
 

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
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Warsaw :/
If by "revised" you mean a few small changes to dw's original design, (since he designed the Sunday from the ground up)

No. (thank God)

:D

[I'm not trying to speak on dw's behalf, but I.H.'s useage rights on the dw-link expired a year before production stopped, and since Dave designed the frame as well, I would have to deduce that there will be no continuation of the Sunday as we know it.]

If by "revised" you mean "something completely different", then in that case based on sketches of design concepts I saw before I.H. completely went to hell:

...maybe.

Either way - it will be interesting to see how things unfold.
Do they still have the rights to use ellsworth ict patent or was that some kind of April's fools joke?
 

Tomasis

Monkey
Feb 26, 2003
681
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Scotland
they are not sold in US?? hm what irony :p.. is Dorel brittish company?. It'd be cool if DW improves the frame further!

Better let the brand to live around than kill.. it helps for resale value :)
 

S.K.C.

Turbo Monkey
Feb 28, 2005
4,096
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Pa. / North Jersey
Do they still have the rights to use ellsworth ict patent or was that some kind of April's fools joke?
Good question, but I have no idea since I've had no contact with the company since June of 2008. However, the design concepts of the Sunday replacement I saw back then DID use ICT...

they are not sold in US?? hm what irony :p.. is Dorel brittish company?. It'd be cool if DW improves the frame further!
Better let the brand to live around than kill.. it helps for resale value :)
LoL - in a way, dw DID improve the Sunday further:

http://www.turnerbikes.com/011/dhr.html

http://www.pivotcycles.com/bikes/detail/8

Bear in mind that these bikes were not designed with the Sunday in mind nor as some kind of replacement. Think of these bikes as the evolution of the species with the Sunday being the progenitor. :D

Dorel is a Canadian company that is a conglomerate of sorts which is involved in many sectors other than cycling. Of its acquisitions under its cycling umbrella Iron Horse appears to be the latest. The others are: 'Goose, GT, C-Dale, and Schwinn.
 
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alpine slug

Monkey
Jun 10, 2011
190
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Honest question:

why would a rider who owns, rides and loves his Sunday care whether Iron Horse Bikes returns, or whether it returns with a new Sunday?

The thing about the Sunday isn't that it is an Iron Horse. It's what Weagle did to design the frame. He's the point-man. If you care about finding your Sunday's "new and improved version" then follow what Weagle is doing.

The Iron Horse dw-link bikes didn't represent the history of Iron Horse bikes in America -- they were a radical deviation from what historically was a low-cost department store bike brand. The deviation is attributable to Weagle, not to Iron Horse as a bike company with a rich history of performance bikes.

So there's no historic reason for Iron Horse to "return" or "improve" with a new DH race bike. The Sunday was an anomaly.
 

Udi

RM Chief Ornithologist
Mar 14, 2005
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Honest question:

why would a rider who owns, rides and loves his Sunday care whether Iron Horse Bikes returns, or whether it returns with a new Sunday?

The thing about the Sunday isn't that it is an Iron Horse. It's what Weagle did to design the frame. He's the point-man. If you care about finding your Sunday's "new and improved version" then follow what Weagle is doing.

The Iron Horse dw-link bikes didn't represent the history of Iron Horse bikes in America -- they were a radical deviation from what historically was a low-cost department store bike brand. The deviation is attributable to Weagle, not to Iron Horse as a bike company with a rich history of performance bikes.

So there's no historic reason for Iron Horse to "return" or "improve" with a new DH race bike. The Sunday was an anomaly.
Wise words, and you're absolutely right.

Think it might be the only frame to be designed entirely by DW as well, which makes it a little special - it's also the only DH frame I haven't managed to break. Five years, two baths of stripping and anodizing, a crapload of chairlift runs... and still ticking.

I'd pay (and unfortunately probably will pay) to see something built by Dave Turner manage the same feat. I don't have a lot of faith judging by past offerings.
 

alpine slug

Monkey
Jun 10, 2011
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Wise words, and you're absolutely right.

Think it might be the only frame to be designed entirely by DW as well, which makes it a little special - it's also the only DH frame I haven't managed to break. Five years, two baths of stripping and anodizing, a crapload of chairlift runs... and still ticking.

I'd pay (and unfortunately probably will pay) to see something built by Dave Turner manage the same feat. I don't have a lot of faith judging by past offerings.
That's an awesome durability record. Weagle should be proud!

The Sunday wasn't designed in the era of every DH frame mfr trying to break the barrier of sub-35 lbs complete bikes, which probably helps on the durability front....

Have you tried Turner's new DHR?
 

-BB-

I broke all the rules, but somehow still became mo
Sep 6, 2001
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Livin it up in the O.C.
Honest question:

why would a rider who owns, rides and loves his Sunday care whether Iron Horse Bikes returns, or whether it returns with a new Sunday?
One word...

SUPPORT

I have an '08 7point and as the pivot hardware starts to wear, I'd love to know that I have a source for small parts at a decent price.
 

scottishmark

Turbo Monkey
May 20, 2002
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Somewhere dark, cold & wet....
Ironhorse will be sold at ASDA in the UK (US equivalent to Walmart, i think it may even be owned by the same family).

Anyone who looks at those "bikes" can confirm.
:rofl:
I'm superstoked that I'll be able to buy my new Iron Horse Warrior 3.5 with my groceries :D



(ASDA is indeed "part of the Wal-mart group", but not quite so scummy/hated)
 

S.K.C.

Turbo Monkey
Feb 28, 2005
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Pa. / North Jersey
Wise words, and you're absolutely right.

Think it might be the only frame to be designed entirely by DW as well, which makes it a little special - it's also the only DH frame I haven't managed to break. Five years, two baths of stripping and anodizing, a crapload of chairlift runs... and still ticking.

I'd pay (and unfortunately probably will pay) to see something built by Dave Turner manage the same feat. I don't have a lot of faith judging by past offerings.
The Sunday was designed by dw from the ground up, meaning the frame and suspension. I have pics of early protos and it's interesting to see how the entire process yielded the final production bike. The Sunday wasn't designed to be a weight weenie frame, but at the same time, Dave did a LOT to lower the over-all weight of the final production model versus the early protos. Keep in mind that during the era in which the Sunday was designed, tested, and went to final production (2003-2005) the average WC rig weighed in between 39 and 43 lbs.

A LOT of FEA went into that frame as well as dw's trademark level of scrutiny and detail. His mantra has always been "build it (the frame) burly... make that down tube as big and as strong as possible... but save weight where it makes sense..."

...The thing about the Sunday isn't that it is an Iron Horse. It's what Weagle did to design the frame. He's the point-man. If you care about finding your Sunday's "new and improved version" then follow what Weagle is doing.

The Iron Horse dw-link bikes didn't represent the history of Iron Horse bikes in America -- they were a radical deviation from what historically was a low-cost department store bike brand. The deviation is attributable to Weagle, not to Iron Horse as a bike company with a rich history of performance bikes...
Exactly. See post #14.
 
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HardtailHack

used an iron once
Jan 20, 2009
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It's called a Pivot Phoenix =)
The thing on the scooter? I thought it was a screaming eagle.

I honestly couldn't ride a Phoenix, looks are way down the list when bike shopping but the Phoenix looks like it's straight outta Wal-mart, it looks so cheap.