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ridetoofast

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disclaimer...
i will NOT be voting for the pubs.

i want to see if any ardent dim/libs etc on here will cede anything, or continue to blindly (for the most part) say dims, good, pubs bad categorically while rarely that i've seen do you cast that lazzzer beam focus on your own party for all of its follies, foibles and fvckups.

slam the pubs all you want, but send some on the other side of the aisle where it belongs...there is more than enough blame to pass around.

granted this is just the start, but with a beginning like this there is surely more to follow.

full transcript here
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/13/se.02.html

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/06/obama-campaign-sends-around-misleading-dnc-video-on-gop-debate.html#tp

Obama Campaign Sends Around Misleading DNC Video on GOP Debate

June 14, 2011 4:15 PM
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At last night’s Republican debate, the seven candidates talked about unemployment, taxes, regulations, former Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s talk of a goal of 5% GDP growth, the individual mandate in the health care bill, the Independent Medicare Advisory Board, welfare reform, the Tea Party, currency policy, the National Labor Relations Board, Boeing, TARP, the auto bailout, Rep. Paul Ryan’s Medicare proposal, former Gov. Mitt Romney’s health care program in Massachusetts, raising the debt ceiling, raising the retirement age for Social Security, the role of religion in public life, the 10th amendment, Libya, Afghanistan, and so on.

But President Obama’s 2012 campaign is sending out a DNC video suggesting the candidates spoke only about sharia law, an anti-gay-marriage amendment, repealing health care, Sarah Palin, and the space program.

“You should watch this,” says campaign manager Jim Messina in the email to supporters, “if you or anyone you know is wondering where the leading GOP candidates want to go, this clip makes it clear. The first big Republican debate last night was like a time machine. They want to go back to the failed policies of the past that caused the economic crisis in the first place. They want to go back and reopen every settled debate that they've lost over the last few years -- on the health care law, on ‘Don't Ask, Don't Tell,’ and on reforming Wall Street's abuses. They even want to turn back the clock and end Medicare as we know it.”

Messina’s general argument that the candidates want to repeal many Obama policies – health care, Wall Street regulations, and so on – is correct.

But the video, which Messina calls a “highlight reel” and the DNC titled “What in the world are they talking about?” selectively uses clips from the 2-hour forum suggesting that the candidates were focused on idiotic issues, or battles from the past, when all of the topics the video hammers the Republicans for talking about were ones they were asked about at the forum.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/13/se.02.html
 

dante

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So.... the DNC picked some of the most outlandish moments and statements from the event and that's bad.... somehow?

Last I checked recaps of baseball games show the most memorable plays, reviews of movies show the best clips, etc.

The thing is that the GOPers are between a rock and a hard place, having to placate their hard-line right-wingers while trying to appeal to independents. The Democrats pointing out the most outlandish statements isn't exactly propaganda.
 

Pesqueeb

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So.... the DNC picked some of the most outlandish moments and statements from the event and that's bad.... somehow?

Last I checked recaps of baseball games show the most memorable plays, reviews of movies show the best clips, etc.

The thing is that the GOPers are between a rock and a hard place, having to placate their hard-line right-wingers while trying to appeal to independents. The Democrats pointing out the most outlandish statements isn't exactly propaganda.
:stupid:

I'm not sure what point your trying to make. Are you supprised by this? Does it seem new or unusual to you that one side is going to cherry pick the lunacy of the other to make hay?
 

ridetoofast

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i have every belief that pubs will commit equally absurd acts, i should have been more clear on that in my post.
call it a bit of hyperbole then, the overarching idea was simply to ask the regular posters to be a bit more self critical about the dims. there is, i think unarguably a slant here, and no, i am not claiming a renegade rick tin foil its a vast pnwd plot to oppress the right, but rather i think an observation based on watching this forum since it began. i dont hope to dissuade the general think in here, im not that naive. really, im just saying flame the dims once in a while, or at the least some introspection.
all the blame can't be consistently or disproportionately shelved on one side of the aisle.

this is not a covert/overt austin powers play for the pubs, ill say it again, im done with them as well, i just would like to see self-assessment...
 

ridetoofast

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if im going to bitch about the problem then i should proffer a solution even if it is 'mock' but at least it might spark debate for solution vs debate about blame.
edit

http://www.webgreenworld.com/hackers-gather-around-the-globe-to-fight-climate-change-1164/

this group/these groups put their group **** in one sock and developed agile solutions.
so...

this is a blatant plea to the collective intellectual vanity of this group. there are some sharp mother fvkers on here.
my proposal is this.
start threads about solutions. tackle something nasty, say maybe health care (because there wasnt much debate over that one) and say what YOU would do to fix it or more appropriately, what might we, RM, do?

discuss
 
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BurlyShirley

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if im going to bitch about the problem then i should proffer a solution even if it is 'mock' but at least it might spark debate for solution vs debate about blame.
edit

http://www.webgreenworld.com/hackers-gather-around-the-globe-to-fight-climate-change-1164/

this group/these groups put their group **** in one sock and developed agile solutions.
so...

this is a blatant plea to the collective intellectual vanity of this group. there are some sharp mother fvkers on here.
my proposal is this.
start threads about solutions. tackle something nasty, say maybe health care (because there wasnt much debate over that one) and say what YOU would do to fix it or more appropriately, what might we, RM, do?

discuss
Pretty much everyone here already knows everyone else's views/ideas. If you want to debate something, start a thread. Dont come in here bitching about how we ought to post.
 

Silver

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i want to see if any ardent dim/libs etc on here will cede anything, or continue to blindly (for the most part) say dims, good, pubs bad categorically while rarely that i've seen do you cast that lazzzer beam focus on your own party for all of its follies, foibles and fvckups.
English, motherfvcker, do you read it? If so, do you ever read it here?

Find me a regular poster here who is a DNC cheerleader. I can't think of one.
 

Pesqueeb

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start threads about solutions. tackle something nasty, say maybe health care (because there wasnt much debate over that one) and say what YOU would do to fix it or more appropriately, what might we, RM, do?

discuss
I'll take this one to get back to the OP.

Not much debate? Do you live under a rock? :confused: There were several multi page threads started here, or are you talking country wide, where last nights GOP debate focused pretty heavily on all the ways that the prospective right wing loonies are going to repeal the Bob Dole health care plan signed by a Kenyan Bolshevik Muslim two years after the fact?

As for what would I do? Single payer.
 
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stoney

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Granted, this is a pretty liberal group. But if you think that the regular PAWN group hasn't been critical of the democrats, you haven’t been paying attention.
My ears are burning. Did someone call my name?
 

stoney

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English, motherfvcker, do you read it? If so, do you ever read it here?

Find me a regular poster here who is a DNC cheerleader. I can't think of one.
Pretty much spot on. Everyone on here has their individual lean be it 'liberal' or 'conservative', but that lean is but a few degrees off of dead center. Pretty much everyone is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It might have to do with where everyone lives (except Pesqueeb - he'd be dragged out of town if the locals knew), but generally everybody is arguing about how to smooth the edge of a steel plate. Everyone knows the shape of the plate, where it was made, where it's going and how it's going to be used. Around here the debate is about how to buff the edges best, with the occasional intentional button pushing.
 

Pesqueeb

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b-b-b-b-b-but they're being misquoterated out of contexteration.
Hey Jon, there might be a place for you on the Gingrich political team.

Ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich is still trying to live down “Meet the Press” remarks on Sunday, in which he described as “radical” House Republicans’ plan to turn Medicare into a voucher system.

After calling the budget plan’s author, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, to apologize, Gingrich went on Fox News with orders to the political opposition: Don’t quote me.

“I want to make sure every House Republican is protected from some kind of dishonest Democratic ad,” he said. “So let me say on the record, any ad which quotes what I said on Sunday is a falsehood. Because I have said publicly those words were inaccurate and unfortunate and I’m prepared to stand up . . .

“When I make a mistake — and I’m going to on occasion — I want to share with the American people ‘that was a mistake’ because that way we can have an honest conversation.”

What were the offending words which the newly unveiled Republican presidential candidate is eating? On Sunday, Gingrich said:

“I don’t think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering. I don’t think imposing radical change from the right or the left is very good for a free society to operate.”

Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-New York, exploited Gingrich’s miscue with loving deftness in a conference call with reporters. He showered Gingrich with wet kisses.

“Newt and I are considered political opposites,” said Schumer, “but I couldn’t agree more with what he said Sunday about House Republicans’ proposal to end Medicare. In a straight-shooting way he acknowledged that this is right-wing social engineering.”

Supporting the Ryan plan — under which seniors would get vouchers and then have to negotiate with health insurers — “will make (Republicans) nominee virtually unelectable in the general election,” said Schumer, a frequent spokesman for the Senate Democratic leadership.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/05/18/dont-quote-me-says-gingrich/
 

Westy

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Is anyone honestly supposed to take you seriously when you seem to believe something like that?
Actually there wasn't much debate, there was a bunch of **** slung around. Keywords from that era: Socialist, Nazi, Deathpanels...