perfect here in nz. thx freecaster, you rockfreecaster failing me
St Anne 2011!
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Freecaster was ace..well done Gwin...and connor fearon, 20 secs back with a crash at his 1st world cup race.Next year he'll take juniors
watch the Freecaster replay - 115 in
http://freecaster.tv/mountainbike/1014892/replay-mens-race-uci-world-cup-2011-dhi-4-mont-sainte-anne-can
I agree with some points in the last remark regarding ghetto tubeless. When normal tubeless system will lose air due to strong turn forces the ghetto system won't, since the inner tube is connected to the tire rather than glued to the rim. The cons in the ghetto system that the tire might connected to the rim not as good as in UST/STANS. personally I never had a problem with 2PLYS maxxis with ghetto system but I guess (actually I know) I never took a turn as these guys...Running Stan's Rim strips and tubeless. Gee definitely just schralped the tire right off the rim. It's just one of the dangers of running a standard tubeless setup, and a huge risk to do it in an important race.
Should have stuck with tubes, or ghetto tubeless (because ghetto works better).
Was perfect for me.freecaster failing me
Not to mention that at the speeds these folks are moving sealant would not have time to seal a larger leak before the tire was seriously low for the run to be shot.
He was running a rubber strip though. It isn't a ghetto strip, looks like a stans strip. A stans strip will still adhere to the tire to resist burping like ghetto. Ghetto does have more overlap though.
At this point it seems the best setup is a Maxxis or similar quality sidewall tire and a soft rim with a tube. I don't corner nearly as hard as these dudes do. If I can burp a tire these guys can and will. Not to mention Gee may have simply smashed into a rock and crushed the rim.
Tubeless is great for AM setups where a tire has to be light and you're not smashing a rim everyday. Before a big Super D ill setup my wheels a week in advance to be sure the Stans fluid adhears the ghetto strip to the tire so it won't burp when it flexes really hard. I sometimes use silicone glue along the bead which is awesome. It's fairly easy to remove as long as you don't get any on the rim. You glue it, then trim the strip. My point is WC racers can't do this since they change tires every day. They could have a race day setup though.
At this point it seems the best setup is a Maxxis or similar quality sidewall tire and a soft rim with a tube. I don't corner nearly as hard as these dudes do. If I can burp a tire these guys can and will. Not to mention Gee may have simply smashed into a rock and crushed the rim.
Tubeless is great for AM setups where a tire has to be light and you're not smashing a rim everyday. Before a big Super D ill setup my wheels a week in advance to be sure the Stans fluid adhears the ghetto strip to the tire so it won't burp when it flexes really hard. I sometimes use silicone glue along the bead which is awesome. It's fairly easy to remove as long as you don't get any on the rim. You glue it, then trim the strip. My point is WC racers can't do this since they change tires every day. They could have a race day setup though.
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Gee - "Out of nowhere the tire just blew off the rim". My E-spec is that a UST bead and rim would have held the tire on better. Bummer for Shimano to have SAINT plastered all over the rim that took Gee out of the WC and they didn't even make it. I guess it's time for them to step up with a Saint wheelset.
Loving the what ifs around Greg and Gee, yet nobody has said what if Gwin didn't roll off the course and come to a stop after the 2nd turn.
Too bad Hill's not in prime form this season. We'd be seeing some throw-downs of biblical proportions between him and Gwin.
Amazing racing - how that guy at the 21:55 mark of the broadcast rode that out is beyond me. Dan Atherton wins the big air award for the finish line jump - was he trying to clear the finish line arch or what???
Too bad Hill's not in prime form this season. We'd be seeing some throw-downs of biblical proportions between him and Gwin.
Amazing racing - how that guy at the 21:55 mark of the broadcast rode that out is beyond me. Dan Atherton wins the big air award for the finish line jump - was he trying to clear the finish line arch or what???
I gotta say, Freecaster seems to be getting its sh!t together... I couldn't watch the race live, but watched it when I got home and few hours later. Awesome. This is a service I would pay for, yet it's free. thanks guys.
as for the race, it wasn't as exciting as I'd hoped. Not like Fort Bill or Leogang. I guess Gee's mechanical and Minnars crash sort of killed the excitement. Nothing against Gwin, but this is getting old fast! hats off to him though. And it is good to see the younger guys pulling through. Hopefully they don't fall into the same pattern as Blenki though... or hopefully Blenki will get back up there too...
as for the race, it wasn't as exciting as I'd hoped. Not like Fort Bill or Leogang. I guess Gee's mechanical and Minnars crash sort of killed the excitement. Nothing against Gwin, but this is getting old fast! hats off to him though. And it is good to see the younger guys pulling through. Hopefully they don't fall into the same pattern as Blenki though... or hopefully Blenki will get back up there too...
Lulz.
Every genuinely fast guy I've spoken to that has experimented with tubeless has had no end of flats and eventually gone back to tubes. The exact setup doesn't seem to make a difference either. UST, Stans, Ghetto, sealant etc etc. I'm sure it works for some people, but it blows my mind that the Athertons are persevering with this setup, especially in race runs.
Pressure from sponsors?
I can't imagine that Gee was stoked to be running the same wheels that cost him the win at Leogang.
Broken spokes one race, tire blown off the rim at the next.
Time to look for an alternate wheel/rim sponsor.
what do you mean dude? i thought notubes rims are totally legit dH rims. 
pretty sure just this week they committed to using that setup for the rest of the season. good luck with that.
pretty sure just this week they committed to using that setup for the rest of the season. good luck with that.
While I agree, I had a ghetto system burp on my front wheel in a rut in my biggest race of the year after I had it set up for 3 weeks, with a Maxxis tire, flow rim and a ghetto strip with lots of sealant. It didn't come off but I had to ride slowly.
finals chit chat and interview tips.
gee's frustration at his wheel situation is evident and gwin gives a little more info on his off track venture.
gee's frustration at his wheel situation is evident and gwin gives a little more info on his off track venture.
Wow I didn't realize he went through the tape and came to a complete stop. That guy's a ninja. Also, Minnaar rules - his attitude is so awesome.
it seems like gee has a foldable tire (a wired tire cant tangle like that) and i remeber reading that conti made the athertons some proto dh foldable tires.
any truth in that ? with foldables you are pretty much done when you have a flat, while with wired you can at least end the run (not that it would have helpled him with the result).any take on this ?
any truth in that ? with foldables you are pretty much done when you have a flat, while with wired you can at least end the run (not that it would have helpled him with the result).any take on this ?
Good interviews. Interesting to note Gwin was the only one (I think) who gave props to his team. The young guys are justifiably super stoked but need to remember the sponsors/team as well.
What I really want to know is how the hell did the lead singer from the Pogues make it on to the podium in 4th place?
Every time I've tried to run tubeless on my dh bike, ghetto, UST rims......whatever, at some point I burp a tire in a corner. Most of us do things on a dh bike that we'd never risk on even a burly 6-8 more 'freeride' bike. It pushes the setup without a doubt in my mind. I gave up. Best case scenario is you ride down the hill with a half filled tire. Worst case scenario is you kill yourself in the next section due to reduced steering and control. I'm over it. And this is coming from someone who hasn't in the last 6 years and won't ever stick another tube on my trailbike.
That's ok though; they're committed to use 661 helmets, but I'm seeing a lot of D3s recently...what do you mean dude? i thought notubes rims are totally legit dH rims.
pretty sure just this week they committed to using that setup for the rest of the season. good luck with that.
Ust is a bitch,you run em to low you dent and you de-bead,run em to high,and you rip tires on rocks.
there is no winning
His rear wheel didn't survive his race run at this years SDA at Fort William either
In regards to Gees tire and wheel. What happened at Ft William and here was unrelated. yesterday his tire did not burp. It was sliced, a big gouge that would have caused a flat with or without a tube on any tire. Through the sidewall of his contis that have plenty of extra protection there. Sliced, then flat then ridden off the rim.
Bad luck, he pushed hard and got off line into a sharp rock. Maybe missing a day of practice due to injury contributed to this.
There are the facts end of story move on
Bad luck, he pushed hard and got off line into a sharp rock. Maybe missing a day of practice due to injury contributed to this.
There are the facts end of story move on
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Polish Pete on the wheels this weekend. Yes it's tubeless, Kevlar bead Continental, Stan's DH rim and fluid. This will be the Atherton's regular World Cup set up, not a South African special set up. No compressor and no more Sharpies needed. -Sven Martin
Polish Pete on the wheels this weekend. Yes it's tubeless, Kevlar bead Continental, Stan's DH rim and fluid. This will be the Atherton's regular World Cup set up, not a South African special set up. No compressor and no more Sharpies needed. -Sven Martin
move on? this is the internet man! There are still pages upon pages of armchair engineering and speculation to come!There are the facts end of story move on
Sorry i meant in regards to how gee flatted and what he ran. Feel free to speculate about everything else under the sun.
no, that's what I was commenting on and it still stands. Facts take the fun right out of internet speculation!
he was using the same setup when his wheel failed twice this year, correct? if so what are those failures attributed to?In regards to Gees tire and wheel. What happened at Ft William and here was unrelated. yesterday his tire did not burp. It was sliced, a big gouge that would have caused a flat with or without a tube on any tire. Through the sidewall of his contis that have plenty of extra protection there. Sliced, then flat then ridden off the rim.
Bad luck, he pushed hard and got off line into a sharp rock. Maybe missing a day of practice due to injury contributed to this.
There are the facts end of story move on
the internet wants to know.
ft bill had nothing to do with tires. Big impact broke some spokes and de-tensioned another 10 or so. MSA as i stated above was a tire slice. As far as speculation i failed to mention that after running out of Stans they used Yop here in Canada. They should of gone with strawberry flavor instead of vanilla, the bigger chunks may have sealed the slice.
You know those tears you sometimes get with tubeless that just sit there and squirt out sealant like a fountain?
Strawberry would be awesome. Maker's Mark flavor even awesomerer
How's Gwin's attitude - humble and professional at the same time as handing the rest of the field their respective arses on as many platters. So rad to see that he pushes hard enough that he's making these mistakes in the first place too, full commitment on all levels!
It's a bit early I know but I imagine this season has come as one hell of a shock to the usual old guard with Gwin killing it and the young guns right up there, I wonder how/if they'll change preparations for '12?! WC season never fails to surprise!
Gee and Dan have Saint labeled DT rims right now. Earlier in the season they had some proto rims from us that were made years ago but the project was put on hold. Working with the team this year was a way to restart that project as they had approached us regarding tubeless applications. The guys have tried Flows but like the wider proto rim, we just don't have anymore for them at the moment. Rachel is still running Flows.
Always kills me to see someone we support have a flat but I know that things still happen despite the best intentions and I've not talked with them yet to get details.
saw bryceland's and hart's runs on Freecaster.Tv...f'n insane!
gwin is a dh track destroying machine, seems that the WC overall title is inevitable at this point.
gwin is a dh track destroying machine, seems that the WC overall title is inevitable at this point.
It sounds like Gee's tubeless flat was no fault of the tubeless. Might add that Nigel Page said his whole team was also running tubeless, and not 10 minutes later one of his riders flatted. Can't remember which rider...
Thought it was an awesome race. Great cameras, very fun to watch, awesome to see a podium full of new faces. Troy's run was the highlight for me...so pinned. And I get to see these guys in the flesh this weekend, stoked!
Thought it was an awesome race. Great cameras, very fun to watch, awesome to see a podium full of new faces. Troy's run was the highlight for me...so pinned. And I get to see these guys in the flesh this weekend, stoked!
When you see Fabien Pedemaund explode on a rock that wasn't even barely above ground, you realize how punctures can happen at any time. Indians didn't make buffalo killing arrows out of rock because they are pretty. 
Even in motocross or enduro, rally, NASCAR and every other tired up soprt with the incredibly thick sidewalls they run, you can get a cut tire on almost anything. Our sport is cruel.
One thing some of the best pros do...is pick the smoothest line. Not saying Gee picked a bad line, b/c he's elite. But you take a local pro and a World Cup pro on the same haggard section of race track...and the World Cup guy can smooth it out like pavement.
Even in motocross or enduro, rally, NASCAR and every other tired up soprt with the incredibly thick sidewalls they run, you can get a cut tire on almost anything. Our sport is cruel.
One thing some of the best pros do...is pick the smoothest line. Not saying Gee picked a bad line, b/c he's elite. But you take a local pro and a World Cup pro on the same haggard section of race track...and the World Cup guy can smooth it out like pavement.
Just an aside. One of the saddest, most depressing DH races I've ever had to watch was the NORBA National at Sugar Mtn. We laid out the top of the course and never got to finish the main tech line. So, we re-routed it out to the slope for a sec.
Come race day, in my Semi-Pro run a single rock that had been part of the ground had flipped up on it's edge and looked like an axe blade. Huge dent in my rim from it.
The depressing part was watching about 60% of the top 10 qualifiers sprint the grass at the bottom with a flat. Seeing the big dogs out of air sucks.
Come race day, in my Semi-Pro run a single rock that had been part of the ground had flipped up on it's edge and looked like an axe blade. Huge dent in my rim from it.
The depressing part was watching about 60% of the top 10 qualifiers sprint the grass at the bottom with a flat. Seeing the big dogs out of air sucks.