Australia likely to enact a carbon tax

Commies.

and new south wales hates muslims....

So if it doesn't work out no chance of one anywhere else, better do it rite!

Must be nice to have a projected budget surplus thanks to the commodities bubble...

dante said:

Must be nice to have a projected budget surplus thanks to the commodities bubble...

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Heh you don't need a commodity bubble for that, until the global crisis you clowns started NZ had a couple of years of multi billion dollar surpluses.
And that was under a left wing government.






*sigh* and now we have a rightwing government we are back into deficits again...... They seem to think cutting the top tax rate and selling income generating assets to cover the shortfall the best course.

They can afford it.

Western Australia could become the world's largest producer of liquefied natural gas within a decade, Premier Colin Barnett says......There was something like $300 billion worth of resource projects either in construction or likely to go into construction in the next few years, he said.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/wa-to-become-the-worlds-gas-capital-barnett-20110711-1hafm.html#ixzz1Rrq8GH3r

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Just as well too cos things sure as hell aren't getting any cheaper.

The booming economy and surging Australian dollar are seeing expats starting to feel the squeeze, with a new survey confirming Perth's ranking among the most expensive cities in the world.
The city is the third most expensive in Australia, with Sydney ranked 14 and Melbourne at 21. Brisbane sits below Perth at 31, Canberra ranks at 34 and Adelaide - which recorded the biggest climb - followed at 46. Last year Adelaide was ranked 90.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-surges-ahead-as-one-of-the-worlds-most-expensive-cities-20110712-1hbsq.html#ixzz1Rrr5VI50

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Still $1600 isn't too bad....oh sh*t that's a week, not a month. My bad.

The Pilbara region has held onto its title as the most expensive place in the nation to rent a home....................

Regionally, WA rentals also increased the most in the nation. The Pilbara region climbed a further 1.6 per cent in the past quarter to a staggering median rental price of $1600, but the best performer was the South-West region, which saw median prices climb 3.4 per cent to $330 in the past quarter.
http://watoday.domain.com.au/real-estate-news/for-leae-was-rental-boom-still-leads-the-nation-20110711-1ha5j.html

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I live in Perth, Western Australia. Work underground in a mine. The "carbon" tax is nothing more than an attempt by an inept government at staying in power.
The Labor/backstabbing liar ranga ( Julia G ) government is trying to buy lower income votes by raising the tax free threshold and handing out a lump sum payment.
Initially it will cost the government (tax payer) AU$4 billion in hand outs to help compensate lower income families for the rise in the cost of living and industry hand outs. Approx 2/3 of Australian households will be financially better off while the remainder will be worse off. The largest contributor to pollution, the burning of petrol, is exempt from the tax.
The current government was forced to bring in the carbon tax by the Green party so they can retain power. The ranga did a complete about face from "There will be no carbon tax under the party I lead" to "this tax has to happen".
Labor are polling the lowest ever one day after the press conference explaining how they propose to tax carbon.
My understanding is that this is the worst government this country has seen.
I agree that pollution needs to be kept in check, I hail from the clean green Aotearoa (NZ) but taxing carbon is a joke. It makes up only 0.0037% of the atmosphere and is essential to life.
I am still of two minds as to whether golbal warming is caused entirely by the human race or is a natural cycle.
How much carbon have the recent volcanic explosions spewed into the atmosphere? Forest fires?

I could go on but instead here is a link to a break down of the tax for those interested

http://www.switzer.com.au/business-news/news-stories/new-carbon-tax-more-or-less-certainty/

And one on climate change

http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/p/climate-101.html

coolusername said:

http://www.switzer.com.au/business-news/news-stories/new-carbon-tax-more-or-less-certainty/

And one on climate change

http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/p/climate-101.html

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It's pretty clear from those links you've posted, and the wording you've used in your post, that you don't think anthropogenic climate change exists. So of course your going to think that any government introducing a tax based on something you don't believe exists is inept.

I'm not in favour of the tax or the ETS that will follow in 2014. I would have preferred a much lower price on carbon, without any industries being exempt, and all revenues collected going to renewable energy research and projects, instead of being redistributed to low income earners.

I believe the Tax and ETS will fail, but not because of poor design or economic repercussions, but more because of fear tactics being employed by the political opposition and business groups.

Stop drinking Andrew Forrest's kool-aid mate. His family have grown rich off WA for more than a century, they'll continue to do fine as will most Sandgropers. Obviously as a cubby you oppose it, might have to hold off updating to the newest model Maloo ute for another 6 months.
Edit-not you I-van, the nimby above.

I'm glad they've managed to get it up. Not sure its the best system that could have been put in thought but it sounds like there is flexibility within it to tweak it later.

Its insane how successful the nay sayers have been though. I'm worried that it will get knocked on the head.

What I'm in favor of is incentives to buy vehicles that run on alternate fuels, a clean fuel public transport system that is free to use, energy efficient homes, research and development of renewable energy sources, and getting the population under control, which is the ultimate cause of the strain on our planet.

Those two links are just two links of many and serve as a small source of information. Do your own research, cross reference, read between the lines and make up your own mind.

valve bouncer said:

Stop drinking Andrew Forrest's kool-aid mate. His family have grown rich off WA for more than a century, they'll continue to do fine as will most Sandgropers. Obviously as a cubby you oppose it, might have to hold off updating to the newest model Maloo ute for another 6 months.
Edit-not you I-van, the nimby above.

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Twiggy Forrest has stepped down as CEO of Fortescue Metals to focus on the plight of the Indigenous people of this country. What have you done to help those less fortunate than you?

And your assumption that I have a Maloo ute just tells me that you have your head up your arse.

man....thats going to suck for the fast and furious crowd........what will they replace thier car hoods, spoilers and shifter knobs with

coolusername said:

Twiggy Forrest has stepped down as CEO of Fortescue Metals

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He might not get a choice about that soon hey? Or am I thinking of someone else.

gonefirefightin said:

man....thats going to suck for the fast and furious crowd........what will they replace thier car hoods, spoilers and shifter knobs with

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sh!t will get real

coolusername said:

And one on climate change

http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/p/climate-101.html

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Did you just seriously post a link to "ilovecarbondioxide.com" and expect us to actually click on it?

What clueless noob also neglects to mention is that the one third that will be worse off under a carbon price are also the one third who earn the most and as fly-in/fly-out mine worker he is almost certainly in that one third. And he can almost certainly afford to pay.
BTW Twiggy helping the "natives" out of the goodness of his philanthropic heart gave me a chuckle. I doubt his philanthrophy will extend to handing back the great swathes of land old Uncle John stole from the Aborigines and is the source of his families wealth.

This is purely a grandstanding move by the Australian-accented of the world trying to make an excuse to say "Caaaaaaaahhbun" as frequently as possible.

MikeD said:

This is purely a grandstanding move by the Australian-accented of the world trying to make an excuse to say "Caaaaaaaahhbun" as frequently as possible.

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You should hear our nasal bogan prime-minister say it. It makes me want to gouge my ears out with a spoon.

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What clueless noob also neglects to mention is that the one third that will be worse off under a carbon price are also the one third who earn the most and as fly-in/fly-out mine worker he is almost certainly in that one third. And he can almost certainly afford to pay.
BTW Twiggy helping the "natives" out of the goodness of his philanthropic heart gave me a chuckle. I doubt his philanthrophy will extend to handing back the great swathes of land old Uncle John stole from the Aborigines and is the source of his families wealth.

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Instead of your school yard attempts at attacking me why don't you answer my question? What do you do to help those less fortunate than you? History is riddle with accounts of one group of people taking advantage of another. Flogging that dead horse does nothing to solve the problem that has resulted from the abuse.

DANTE - Your mind is like a parachute, it works best when it's open.

So are you in the top third wage earners or not? Also, tell me what you know about the circumstances of Aboriginal disadvantage in Western Australia, try to avoid using the term "boong".

The average full-time male wage (excluding overtime) in Australia is A$70,740 per annum, my package is approx A$30k on top of that, adding my other investment interests, I probably am in the top third, although the bottom of it. But I think you miss the point. If people are better off, they spend more, which in turn contributes to industry increasing supply. The demand needs to change before the supply will. The government giving handouts will not get people to change their habits, it will only serve to perpetuate the problem.
The A$10 billion Clean Energy Finance Corp. looks like it may be a step in the right direction, especially if it is independently run but still answerable to the people (government). I wonder how it will be funded though, given that the budget will already be A$4 billion in the hole. Increase in income tax? Raise GST to %15, cuts in public spending?
Aboriginal disadvantages in western Australia.
I have only been here for just over 3 years so do not know the complete story, but these are the things that have caught my attention. Obviously I have a vested interest in business and the economy. I believe in improving my own situation and in turn being able to help others. What goes around comes around etc.
The A$2 billion spent in the last year by the federal government seems to have achieved 5/8's of F A.
Education and health care are severely lacking, remote communities are living in abject poverty, alcohol abuse is rife. Work opportunities are very limited if not non existent.
The remoteness of these communities means that unless news channels broadcast a story about them, they remain out of sight and out of the public's mind. The government has a figure on the books that say's " we're are doing something" but don't appear to do any follow up. The old " chuck tax payers money at it and hope it goes away" mentality.
Andrew "Twiggy" Forrest has pledged to find work for 50,000 aboriginal workers within Fortesque Metals. Wether he is able to reach that amount on not remains to be seen, but given that it is his company, I think he will have a far crack.

Good old Twiggy, he just loves the abos.

Billion-dollar mining companies are being accused of legally ripping off indigenous communities because of a controversial loophole in the Native Title Act that could be saving businesses millions of dollars in royalty payments each year.

Miners wanting to exploit the resources of Aboriginal-held land must negotiate with native-title holders as part of the process of gaining a government-issued mining licence.

But each side is acutely aware of a statistic that heavily tilts the discussions in favour of the companies.

In a Four Corners episode aired on ABC TV last night, outgoing FMG head Andrew Forrest denied the Yindjibarndi people were effectively backed into a corner because if they did not settle he had the upper-hand in court.


Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mining-giants-accused-of-bullying-indigenous-groups-20110718-1hlj8.html#ixzz1SUsqq5KJ

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Loves ripping them off, just like his family has been doing for 5 generations.

Several business groups have now started nationwide advertising campaigns opposing the tax and ETS. They aren't letting the truth get in the way of a good story either.

I have a new favourite online rant person.

http://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/you-shut-your-goddamn-carbon-taxin-mouth/

Article starts with "Three days on from Julia Gillard’s policy announcement, and the most striking characteristic of the carbon tax debate is just how closely it resembles a dozen retards trying to f*&k a doorknob." and then gets better

Straya said:

I have a new favourite online rant person.

http://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/you-shut-your-goddamn-carbon-taxin-mouth/

Article starts with "Three days on from Julia Gillard’s policy announcement, and the most striking characteristic of the carbon tax debate is just how closely it resembles a dozen retards trying to f*&k a doorknob." and then gets better

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Wow!.... That is awesomeness!