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Cane Creek Double Barrel Air

bizutch

bizutch

Delicate CUSTOM flower
Dec 11, 2001
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p-spec said:
if the ccdb air ever comes to the real world,and it comes out with twintube,with the exact same ajusters etc. I will buy you beer for the night.
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Considering the one I saw up close was indeed the exact same, you have just bought jonkranked beers. The cool thing about this one was that it was .....gold reservoir/black spring can.:drool:
 
p-spec

p-spec

Turbo Monkey
May 2, 2004
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bizutch said:
Considering the one I saw up close was indeed the exact same, you have just bought jonkranked beers. The cool thing about this one was that it was .....gold reservoir/black spring can.:drool:
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I noticed that and was infact jealous,I was under the impression there was no more oil involved....anyway

Did you get to feel it ????
 
heavy metal

heavy metal

Monkey
Mar 31, 2011
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HI
Aside from a hydraulic system isn't a pneumatic system or elastomers the only ways to dampen suspension oscillations?

Pneumatic damping might not be very reliable, and elastomers are stone age tech so...
 
heavy metal

heavy metal

Monkey
Mar 31, 2011
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HI
Well friction is really the only way to dampen oscillations. Hydraulic and pneumatic damping are also using the force of friction.
 
heavy metal

heavy metal

Monkey
Mar 31, 2011
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HI
Futureshox.


Edit: Here's an audi combination hydro/magentic damper. 100% magnetic would be very cool!

 
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Steve M

Turbo Monkey
Mar 3, 2007
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heavy metal said:
Futureshox.


Edit: Here's an audi combination hydro/magentic damper. 100% magnetic would be very cool!

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Magneto-rheological fluids are actually a different thing again to magnetic flux damping; they are still using oil flowing through a restricted port to control the damping, the advantage they offer is allowing the damping characteristics to be instantaneously changed by the car's ECU in order to idealise the damping for whatever situation the car is in at the time (cornering, braking, accelerating, whatever).

Purely magnetic damping is fairly useless at least to us mountain bikers, the problem it has is that its characteristic is more or less the reverse of the digressive damping curves we usually want - and you can't easily have separate damping characteristics in each direction. It sounds cool and high tech, and the total lack of friction is handy (don't even need sliding surfaces) but it's impractical and would be very heavy.
 
frango

frango

Turbo Monkey
Jun 13, 2007
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Can disposable baby diapers be washed and used again? :think: :D
 
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norbar

norbar

KESSLER PROBLEM. Just cause
Jun 7, 2007
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So finally a CCDB that is progressive for us unlucky lot that have frames needing some ramping up shocks? ;)
 
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93dls

Chimp
Aug 2, 2011
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Interested, i've heard good things about the vivid air. If it rides as well as i've heard the cane creek double barrel does it should be sweet.

However i do like the idea of custom valved shocks set up for specific bikes and riders (elka, boss) as you have half decent base setting. With the double barrel your tossed into the deep end when it comes to setup. But if your getting a DB i'm sure you know how you want your suspension.

May consider getting one if the rc4 on my new frame doesn't ride as well as my elka did on my last bike.
 
djjohnr

djjohnr

Turbo Monkey
Apr 21, 2002
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Sounds good for trail/AM bike. For DH, even if they solve for shock fade, I don't see anything that's going to cool off the shock to prevent the spring rate from increasing as it gets hot.
 
IH8Rice

IH8Rice

I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!
Aug 2, 2008
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Other manufacturers such as Fox or BOS offer complete chassis. It would make sense to transfer the performance and the knowledge from the DB in a suspension fork?
Cane Creek is not such a big manufacturer like other sellers in the market. A mold (mold's note R) for casting a fork can easily cost a six figure sum, which is a large sum. If we are to advance in this area, then probably with a rather upside-down fork that is designed to work from the cost-effective.
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yes please :drool:
 
'size

'size

Turbo Monkey
May 30, 2007
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i read this shock will be available in 8 i2i x stroke configurations - anyone have a list of those sizes?
 
HAB

HAB

Chelsea from Seattle
Apr 28, 2007
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I don't even have a bike that would make all that much sense with one right now, but awesome.
 
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marshalolson

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May 25, 2006
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does anyone know if these use normal shock reducers? or do you have to use those stupid ones like the coil has?
 
mtg

mtg

Green with Envy
Sep 21, 2009
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marshalolson said:
does anyone know if these use normal shock reducers? or do you have to use those stupid ones like the coil has?
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By "stupid ones", I assume you mean the spherical bearings, which are a good thing for performance, as they remove the typical over-constrained situation of shock mounts. over-constrained shock mounts create extra friction and wear in the shock.
In internet speak, the spherical bearings make the shock moar plush. :)

To answer the question, it appears the spherical bearings are no longer available, and they use a standard DU bushing design now on both the coil and air spring versions.
 
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