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Turbo Monkey
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Sold the Killswitch (finally!) And im going to replace it with a slalom bike, 4-5 inches tops, and ready to race 4x and DS. I am currently between the 2012 Spesh SX (have spesh deals) or a Used Intense Tazer VP. One 1k limit (only using killswitch money) Going to be used for diablo's "indycross" and highlands riding. Lookin for a DS fully that is good at absorbing bumps and pretty low COG. *sx fits the bill.

*banshee is out, yeti is out
 

yuroshek

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Jun 26, 2007
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Justin look into a GT Distortion frame. Mine is so sick, love it! 112mm travel with a 66* HA which would be nice and stable on the IX track.
 

roel_koel

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why is Banshee out?

the Rampant is easily the most awesome short travel bike on the market ;)

there is literally nothing else like it as its incredibly tough, efficient pedalling, will handle stupidly big drops with confidence and has active braking which means it punches well above its weight on rough downhill runs

its also very diminutive meaning I could use it as a true play bike with pump track, dirt jumps and concrete skatepark sessions - I tried riding my buddy's Specialized SX (not SXT) and found it incredibly cumbersome and mushy in comparison

I owned 2 Rampants

sold my last Rampant as I no longer had anywhere local enough to ride, to justify owning it any more



but if I moved and wanted a short travel, I'd be straight on the phone to Keith at Banshee Bikes ;)
 

dump

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Transition double looks brilliant, but it will be tough to get one for under 1000. Maybe try for a used ndiza.
 

stoney

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Why is Yeti out as well? Have you burned some bridges with your reps?
 

jonKranked

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you just won the "captain obvious" award for the day.
i recall he had been b*tching about a banshee he had a while back, something about him not being happy with it even though he was using it for something other than its intended purpose, wasn't sure if there was more to the story.
 

marshalolson

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those yeti 4x are sweet bikes.

but isn't yeti off the table because they wouldn't warranty that 8 year old, second hand, dh9 for having shifting issues?
 

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Turbo Monkey
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i recall he had been b*tching about a banshee he had a while back, something about him not being happy with it even though he was using it for something other than its intended purpose, wasn't sure if there was more to the story.
Actually It snapped first run and i was refused warranty. They said they would warranty it, than sent me an email a week later saying they changed their mind. It snapped because the weld "missed" where the metal joined, Than they proceeded to deny warranty when a friend of mine was prototyping the MK1 on the premise that it was a prototype and prototypes dont get warranty, needless to say its a company i do not support.

If you really want to know it made it from the top of diablo through dominion to alpine before snapping in half on the fireroad headed towards the step up.

 
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stoney

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those yeti 4x are sweet bikes.

but isn't yeti off the table because they wouldn't warranty that 8 year old, second hand, dh9 for having shifting issues?
The Yeti 4x literally made me a better 4x/slalom racer. I was not good at it, then got onto the bike and suddenly was good.

Demo -

If you keep going around bad mouthing every bike company because they don't do everything you want them to, you might find yourself in a position where all of you hook ups are gone.

Not every bike is perfect for everything, nor is every part. You bitch and complain endlessly about how xyz part isn't what you thought it was or it suck at what you are using it for. You've managed to go through just about every frame and component combination possible and have yet to find anything that you actually like. Maybe there is something beyond the components and frames causing your issues...
 

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Turbo Monkey
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those yeti 4x are sweet bikes.

but isn't yeti off the table because they wouldn't warranty that 8 year old, second hand, dh9 for having shifting issues?
I had a 303 and it was a complete POS, it rode great, but was a mechanical headache (and it wasnt even the rails) If you actually care, feel free to PM me, if not, harass me in hopes of getting rep.

There are 2 companies i have problems with, yeti and banshee, i didnt happen to like my killswitch, but it wasnt black markets fault-i do realize this.

Everybody thinks i hate fox, maybe so, but i dont own 7 of their products because i hate them, i am pissed off they wouldnt fix my fork (and no, it wasnt 10 minutes before a race run, nor was it because it was too tight, i was refused because i allegedly wasnt racing, which i was < (not debatable)

I would love to see links to the threads where i bitch about every part, you can link them here or PM me if you so choose
 
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stoney

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I had a 303 and it was a complete POS, it rode great, but was a mechanical headache (and it wasnt even the rails).
Are you serious? You're not buying a f*in Toyota Camary that you expect to last forever. You are buying a mechanical device that is meant to have the living isht beat out of it, while being as light as possible and for a cheaply as possible.

I don't think I've ever had a bike that didn't require regular maintenance. It was pretty much a given that after one lift weekend the bike was getting torn down with the frame and fork being rebuilt, let alone the citrus soaking of the drivetrain and re-bleed of the brakes. Otherwise, it was a once a month re-build. Why do you think so many DH racers are such good mechanics?

Bikes, especially DH bikes, have lots of moving parts that can and will break. Maintain your isht and it won't fail.
 

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Turbo Monkey
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Are you serious? You're not buying a f*in Toyota Camary that you expect to last forever. You are buying a mechanical device that is meant to have the living isht beat out of it, while being as light as possible and for a cheaply as possible.

I don't think I've ever had a bike that didn't require regular maintenance. It was pretty much a given that after one lift weekend the bike was getting torn down with the frame and fork being rebuilt, let alone the citrus soaking of the drivetrain and re-bleed of the brakes. Otherwise, it was a once a month re-build. Why do you think so many DH racers are such good mechanics?

Bikes, especially DH bikes, have lots of moving parts that can and will break. Maintain your isht and it won't fail.
I dont loose bearings or dropout bolts on any of my other frames, even without locktite, if you care about anything besides trying to get rep by flaming me, feel free to PM me, ill tell you all about my horror story

on another note, SX ordered size long, anybody know what the 2012 looks like?
 

UiUiUiUi

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oh dear demo9 threads make little baby jesus cry...

honestly guys isn't it ridiculous to harass him everytime?
i am pretty sure he is well aware of his issues


that said i have issues with yeti too, but that's just regarding a cosmetic issue.
the paintjob on my 303 WC is the worst i ever encountered. even my 1992 Yo Eddy is in better shape paint wise then the 303...

that said i emailed them about it and we will see...

back on topic:
i would go for the yeti 4x nevertheless awesome bike, or in europe nicolai ufo/ion 14.
 

stoney

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I dont loose bearings or dropout bolts on any of my other frames, even without locktite, if you care about anything besides trying to get rep by flaming me, feel free to PM me, ill tell you all about my horror story

on another note, SX ordered size long, anybody know what the 2012 looks like?
I'm not going for rep, I have enough as it is. I'm serious about the mechanics of the bike vs. the mechanic. If you aren't checking bolts after every few rides than you are not maintaining your bike properly. I regularly find bolts having worked loose because of the stress loads our bikes are put through.

Think about it for a minute. The rear axle has eight 4mm allen bolts holding the rear axle onto the frame. Now think about the vertical and lateral stresses that just riding your bike is putting that axle through. The stresses will inherently increase and decrease on the individual bolts to the point that they work loose. Sure it doesn't happen on dirt bikes, but they also use far larger hardware.

Bearings fail primarily for two reasons: Lateral load and wear of the bearing from contaminants.

Lateral load can easily be caused by miniscule amounts of play, which can occur if your bolts are not tightened properly. Once you have developed even a small amount of lateral load your bearing is now at risk of contaminant exposure (see dirt). Once either of these situations has begun, it's too late and the bearing will soon fail.

Sure, bearings fail on their own due to usage and limited life-span. However a well maintained bearing will likely out live the usable life of a frame.
 

jonKranked

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Actually It snapped first run and i was refused warranty.
were you the original owner?


Than they proceeded to deny warranty when a friend of mine was prototyping the MK1 on the premise that it was a prototype and prototypes dont get warranty, needless to say its a company i do not support.
you're kidding right? you really think prototypes come with warranties? :rofl:
 

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Turbo Monkey
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yes original owner, and while i didnt have the prototype, i think its kinda dick to sell them and tell the guys (essentially do your homework) that your ****ed when a bike that isnt proven breaks, but, cant complain too much, wasnt me or my bike/money
 

marshalolson

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I had a 303 and it was a complete POS, it rode great, but was a mechanical headache (and it wasnt even the rails)
didn;t realize you had a 303 with issues. those things rode aweome, but were for sure a PITA. lots of undersized bolts that rattled loose. no idea what your issue with the frame was, or why it lead you to boycott the brand, but to each their own, vote with your money. all good there. the sx is a pretty hot ride, i am sure you will be stoked on it.
 

jonKranked

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yes original owner, and while i didnt have the prototype, i think its kinda dick to sell them and tell the guys (essentially do your homework) that your ****ed when a bike that isnt proven breaks, but, cant complain too much, wasnt me or my bike/money
Sucks they didnt warranty your bike. What was their exact reasoning? Was it just sone specific wording in the warranty claims utself?

Also, I dont remember all the details about the mki, but I do recall them being pretty up front with the fact it was a prototype run. Buyer beware.
 

yuroshek

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Are you serious? You're not buying a f*in Toyota Camary that you expect to last forever. You are buying a mechanical device that is meant to have the living isht beat out of it, while being as light as possible and for a cheaply as possible.

I don't think I've ever had a bike that didn't require regular maintenance. It was pretty much a given that after one lift weekend the bike was getting torn down with the frame and fork being rebuilt, let alone the citrus soaking of the drivetrain and re-bleed of the brakes. Otherwise, it was a once a month re-build. Why do you think so many DH racers are such good mechanics?

Bikes, especially DH bikes, have lots of moving parts that can and will break. Maintain your isht and it won't fail.
1st of all I'd like to say these bikes are not cheap, nothing cheap about them when they cost a couple grand.

2nd who has time to rebuild their bike after every single weekend of riding? I know I don't. It would be a PITA to re-bleed my brakes and rebuild my suspension after each weekend. I am not a WC racer, this is not what we do for a living so no need for all that work after each weekend. Yes I do check my bolts and give it a good cleaning and run thru but I do not rebuild the whole bike after 1 weekend of lift riding.
 

jonKranked

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1st of all I'd like to say these bikes are not cheap, nothing cheap about them when they cost a couple grand.

2nd who has time to rebuild their bike after every single weekend of riding? I know I don't. It would be a PITA to re-bleed my brakes and rebuild my suspension after each weekend. I am not a WC racer, this is not what we do for a living so no need for all that work after each weekend. Yes I do check my bolts and give it a good cleaning and run thru but I do not rebuild the whole bike after 1 weekend of lift riding.
maybe you should start spending more time on your bike and less time on GTL :busted:
 

yuroshek

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lol no I spend to much time on the road and riding during to the week to overhaul my bike like that week after week. Like I said Im not a WC racer, nor am I racing that much anymore. Im having way more fun just riding my bike and not worrying about putting a 3 minute run together.
 

stoney

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1st of all I'd like to say these bikes are not cheap, nothing cheap about them when they cost a couple grand.

2nd who has time to rebuild their bike after every single weekend of riding? I know I don't. It would be a PITA to re-bleed my brakes and rebuild my suspension after each weekend. I am not a WC racer, this is not what we do for a living so no need for all that work after each weekend. Yes I do check my bolts and give it a good cleaning and run thru but I do not rebuild the whole bike after 1 weekend of lift riding.
Conditions always change the maintenance cycle, but do you not throw you bike in the stand every few weeks to just give it a quick drivetrain cleaning? It takes 10min to clean up the drivetrain and double check all the bolts on a 303.

As for post lift weekend re-builds, the dirt at Northstar is super caustic (pumice). You need to hose it down after the ride which leads to breaking it down to clean the crap out of the small areas and pivots. Same with a muddy course; you clean your bike at the end of the day.
 

jonKranked

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the dirt at Northstar is super caustic (pumice). You need to hose it down after the ride which leads to breaking it down to clean the crap out of the small areas and pivots.
this i can vouch for (dunno if caustic is the right word though, very very fine particulate is what it is, and will wear metal parts faster than regular dirt). get's into EVERYTHING.
 

builttoride

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yes original owner, and while i didnt have the prototype, i think its kinda dick to sell them and tell the guys (essentially do your homework) that your ****ed when a bike that isnt proven breaks, but, cant complain too much, wasnt me or my bike/money
You bought it second hand in a private sale I believe = not original owner, crash replacement was offered.