yes and they are overprized too!
2012 Trek lineup released
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I might take you up on that
The air assist element of the fork is fairly interesting. Well, about as interesting as it is on every Marzocchi.
The 40mm stanchions don't intrigue my hands/arms one bit though. I'd be happy if Boxxers went back to 32mm!
dex says nothing about fork included...thinking it is only offered with complete
thats what ive been trying to say but some think "kit" means frame, fork, headset
I hope they do not charge another $4k for about $2500 in parts for the complete!
I took a look at the Trek dealer site last night. Nothing is mentioned at all about a fork being included with the carbon frameset.
So then its 4k for just a frame?
Yeah, I figured that price would be without fork. Any idea of when I can get my hands on the carbon frame? I want one!
fork/ frame/ HS, good deal, and good on trek for making such a sweet package available at a respectable price.
If thats frame only, my lol above stands.
If thats frame only, my lol above stands.
Frameset available for shipping 10/3/11
Complete available for shipping 10/17/11
Confirmed through our rep this morning: Session 9.9 frameset DOES NOT include fork.
Complete available for shipping 10/17/11
Confirmed through our rep this morning: Session 9.9 frameset DOES NOT include fork.
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"Trek world?"
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Trek-World-2011,2653/Slideshow,0/sspomer,2
I imagine the sofball games between trek and specialized have to be among the most brutal battles for control of the universe our species has ever seen.
I like the idea of what they're doing with the suspension on the sessions. I wonder if you have to ride like AG for it to work though.
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Trek-World-2011,2653/Slideshow,0/sspomer,2
I imagine the sofball games between trek and specialized have to be among the most brutal battles for control of the universe our species has ever seen.
I like the idea of what they're doing with the suspension on the sessions. I wonder if you have to ride like AG for it to work though.
i dont get why they are coming with the same tune as the WC riders use....especially after hearing them all talk about how much firmer they are setup to accomodate the speeds the WC riders are at
and lol at the $3700 Remedy 9.9 and Fuel EX 9.9 frame price
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Don't quote me on this but I think trek wants to sell bikes, and may use their athletes to that goal.
I'd like to at least try it. Spending that much money and finding out you just bought a 35lb 8k hardtail might be a little rough though.
I agree however...it may backfire.
der obviously.
but the average punter isnt going to be able to effectively ride a bike tuned for a WC rider.
pinkbike had a article about that where they rode Brendan's Demo and found it hard to really get it performing effectively
And continuing on the captain obvious theme: you think the average punter knows that, or is more enthralled with the IDEA of getting what one of the fastest riders in the world gets?
I mean hell, it's working on me
I'm not going to go buy one or anything but I would like to try it.
I allways thought kids wanted pogo sticks with no damping. Trek is starting a new fashion? Give them a year and half of the WC wannabe kids will ride oversprung bikes with damping maxed out.And continuing on the captain obvious theme: you think the average punter knows that, or is more enthralled with the IDEA of getting what one of the fastest riders in the world gets?
I mean hell, it's working on me
I'm not going to go buy one or anything but I would like to try it.
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHAHA lol
If Pinkbike said so , it must be true eh ?...god I love the internet.
boy youre dumb.HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHAHA lol
cause its a secret that pro's bikes are setup beyond how the average person can ride
god i love the internet
I highly doubt people will get Gwin's tune. Besides, we all know he gets different tunes for different courses. Tracy's tune is surely different right?
Marketing at it's best.
Marketing at it's best.
I love the pb hate fad. It was ridden by one of the guys who also posts on rm. RIDDEN like in real life. Id rather belive him that the bike was harder to ride than some people who have no proof of doing that.HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHAHA lol
Also I agree with IH8Rice - it has been mentioned many times that some of the pros tend to run stiffer setups.
Gwintune™ bro. Gwintune™.
Stiffer?You mean more compression built in right?Cause for less than 50$ I can make any pro bikes run smoother with a softer spring rate
Anyway, still the point is, do you guys REALLLY thinks what JOE BLOW Pinkbike fellow RM poster has to say about the bike is going to change the average rider mind????Most of the people I ride with( all fairly experienced ) never ever touch a dial on their suspension so at least the Session would make the average Joe think its "dialed" straight out of the box and Im pretty that would be a good thing from a marketing point of view...
BTW I wouldnt be so sure the bike will be valved exactly like Aaron's bike, it could just as well be a simple marketing strategy ...If its no secret most pros are running a setup with a higher compression tune (and I am well aware of that fact btw ) one would think their suspension engineer would also know this and take it into account?(The guy appears to be highly qualified btw, surely more than PB Mike Levy ) Beside Im pretty sure Aaron used different configuration through-out the season so which of those "tune" is it going to be ?...makes no sense to me
The bike is intended to a rather skilled group of riders and I be willing to bet Trek means they have built that thing with true hardcore RACERS in mind.Would you want your top of line fancy Ferrari to be "tuned down" because you are not a F1 driver and wont ever push the thing hard enough to get the real deal?
Personally , I'd be more than happy to try out that new Session and find out how for myself...Beside @ 8000$ you would think people that are going to buy that bike would know of someone to have it re-valved if its so bad... which on its own wouldnt be that bad considering most manufacturers dont even bother custom valving their shocks in the first place.
- IH8Rice : thanks buddy now that I know that Im dumb, I will stop relying on my own experiences and start trusting what random ( and most of the time bias )people over the internet wants me to believe ...
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nearly every mfg does
and my original comment still stands. you called out what someone said about a pros bike having a custom, stiffer tune, but yet agree with it in your rant
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nearly every mfg does
and my original comment still stands. you called out what someone said about a pros bike having a custom, stiffer tune, but yet agree with it in your rant
from my understanding , most manufacturers will "tweak" their shocks and get the closets available tune from say Fox to best match their bikes and very few of them actually "custom valve" their shocks which to me means 2 different thing . . .Perhaps you'd know better than me on this, you must work with all of those guys to be in the "known" eh ?
and I still think what Pinkbike had to say about the bike wont have any effect on global sales for that thing...Still doesnt mean that I think a "pro tune" would work for most of them and also doesnt believe the thing has said tune either...
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no, i just listen to what the few industry people who post on here say. eh.
I agree. One pb article what change kids minds but that doesnt make it untrue
I also doubt they will really use the WC tune. Probably just a bit more damping if they decide to change anything at all.As for none of the guys you ride with not touching their susp. Do you ride with racers? Ive noticed more and more people start learning about susp setup here. Even the mid pack guys.
I think everyone here knows that was just a marketing line and the fork and shock won't have the same settings as Gwin's and Tracy's bikes. Settings that they tested? Probably, but not what they use on a fast, dry track.
HAYE GUISE don't mind me I'm just $600 and you could buy six of me for less than one 9.9 but you'll won't WIN at INTERNETS like you would with carbonz
DH = Triathlon/roadie? Since when?
DH = Triathlon/roadie? Since when?
I guess I am not the only one who is not in love with the new Trek despite the success of the frame.
Trust me...I love it...I love my Fuel and I'd die for a session...but 4gs for a DH frame which is going to get its ass kicked in a season or two is not the direction I think we should be moving in....too each their own, of course, but imagine if you bought a a Vexx frame instead....you'd have $3400 in your pocket...enough to take a hell of a trip to Whistler or a few weeks on a euro vacation....what's honestly going to make you a better rider, three weeks in whistler, or a carbon nanotube doohickey, regardless of how many squatz, shimz, or carbonz is haz?
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OR . . . spend all of it on this instead :
http://suzukicycles.com/Product Lines/Cycles/Products/RM-Z450/2012/RMZ450.aspx?category=motocross
Yeah I know apples to oranges different industry but still, that is a sick dirt bike and its CHEAPER as well
I love Trek bikes but that price is scary to look @ !!!!!
If you factor in maintanance it is not really cheaper.OR . . . spend all of it on this instead :
http://suzukicycles.com/Product Lines/Cycles/Products/RM-Z450/2012/RMZ450.aspx?category=motocross
Yeah I know apples to oranges different industry but still, that is a sick dirt bike and its CHEAPER as well
I love Trek bikes but that price is scary to look @ !!!!!
the sand witch spews wisdom.
though built right, carbon should offer better longterm longevity and thus value than an aluminum from of similar weight. prices will inevitably come down.
i'm still a big fan of steel, though. great longevity and repairability if need be, at a better pricepoint. still interested why steel use has fell along the wayside in favor of the exotic stuff for dh frame development. i could totally see $1k privateer frames with great longevity and relatively minor weight penalty being pumped out offshore w/ great success.
In terms of structural performance, steel suffers from higher density (meaning thinner walls/more dents, or smaller diameter tubes, which are weaker/less stiff in bending), lower formability (no hydroforming or forging is going to happen at any reasonable cost) and lower machinability than aluminium. It isn't really something that will inherently last longer than an aluminium structure, and the manufacturing techniques are far less advanced. Steel frames have to be structurally very simple compared to aluminium/carbon, and as a result, there is a lot less potential for structural optimisation.