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Carbon V10

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THAT is absolutely beautiful... slender, sculpted lines all around kind of like Olivia Munn.

Also, there's just something damn sexy about flat black on a sculpted carbon fiber frame...

Congrats to the boys at SC and the introduction of the full carbon V10c!

Nicely done gentleman!
 

Gridds

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Dec 18, 2008
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More of a question to Scott@SCB really:

Are those new carbon rear ends short fibre injection moulded, like the top links are? Or conventional hand lay up?


Fully sick bike by the way!!
 

IH8Rice

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For some reason the Vital thing won't play on my work PC. Does it say how the rear triangle is made?
arent you guys suppose to be shut down?:D ;)

no, they just talk about the aluminum tooling they use, how they made them (the tools,) how ENVE made the parts in their factory and that they did it for weight savings, not to make it stiffer. 50% weight savings over aluminum (350grams)

edit: they also made the front triangle lighter due to thinner walls for Peat and Miinnaarr's XL frames..300 grams lighter
 
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Gridds

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arent you guys suppose to be shut down?:D ;)

no, they just talk about the aluminum tooling they use, how they made them (the tools,) how ENVE made the parts in their factory and that they did it for weight savings, not to make it stiffer. 50% weight savings over aluminum (350grams)

edit: they also made the front triangle lighter due to thinner walls for Peat and Miinnaarr's XL frames..300 grams lighter
Ok, cheers.

F1 Shut down ended Monday :thumb:
 

IH8Rice

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Why for only Peaty and Minnaar? Bryceland did just take a 2nd place at MSA, and would fit into an XL, no?
they said time constraints. maybe they figured since there are two guys on the XL, theyd focus on that one instead of trying to do Bryceland's large frame as well.
 

IH8Rice

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wasn't the whole logic behind offering an aluminum rear triangle on the v10c that it was no lighter than the carbon version?
i thought they said it wouldnt be any stiffer. you can always make something lighter via CF.
either way, these are one-offs, so sacrificing durability to lose some grams was the goal i guess.
 

Lelandjt

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wasn't the whole logic behind offering an aluminum rear triangle on the v10c that it was no heavier than the carbon version?
Yup. But now we're learning that was marketing speak for, "We won't have a carbon swingarm ready for at least another year and we want to sell the frames now."

Obviously the swingarm is harder to produce than the main frame, hence the delay and having Enve make it instead of a Taiwanese factory. It probably costs more than the main frame.
 
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jackalope

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Originally Posted by marshalolson -
wasn't the whole logic behind offering an aluminum rear triangle on the v10c that it was no lighter than the carbon version?
Not to mention that the VPP works the bestest because it has a "S" shaped axel path. True story...


I also *only* like Miller Lite out Vortex bottles.
 

wood booger

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Yup. But now we're learning that was marketing speak for, "We won't have a carbon swingarm ready for at least another year and we want to sell the frames now."

Obviously the swingarm is harder to produce than the main frame, hence the delay and having Enve make it instead of a Taiwanese factory. It probably costs more than the main frame.
Very wrong there. It is more likely that they (SC) cut the rear end mold themselves, and did all the prototyping in the states w/ Enve. The mold looks to be aluminum, where as a production carbon mold would be cut from tool steel. Looks more like a low quantity mold for prototyping only. Cool to do all the carbon work on this continent, hopefully it is a trend that continues.
 

IH8Rice

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Very wrong there. It is more likely that they (SC) cut the rear end mold themselves, and did all the prototyping in the states w/ Enve. The mold looks to be aluminum, where as a production carbon mold would be cut from tool steel. Looks more like a low quantity mold for prototyping only. Cool to do all the carbon work on this continent, hopefully it is a trend that continues.
you didnt listen to the audio did you? :rolleyes:
 

wiscodh

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Very wrong there. It is more likely that they (SC) cut the rear end mold themselves, and did all the prototyping in the states w/ Enve. The mold looks to be aluminum, where as a production carbon mold would be cut from tool steel. Looks more like a low quantity mold for prototyping only. Cool to do all the carbon work on this continent, hopefully it is a trend that continues.
not all carbon molds are made from steel. It depends on the size of the tool. If its a large too tell me how the operator will open it with out a overhead crane? Moving, pushing, pulling steel tools around is a pain in the rear end. Opperators love alu tools, keep the operators happy, you will have happy bikes :thumb:
 

tom

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Caution :eek:

Check the pinch bolts on your rear axles!!!




We're on vacation in Whistler with three Carbon V10s. On two of those, the pinch bolt on the rear axle does not hold the rear axle in place.

Even with the pinch bolt tightened very hard, it does not pinch the axle down sufficiently. You can still turn the axle with your 6mm allen key, even though it should be pinched in place.

This is an extremely dangerous situation, as with a dragging bearing on the rear hub, the axle can actually unwind itself. This happened to my friend who took a nasty spill on a large jump on freight train as a result of this and had to get stitched up.

People could die from this kind of thing.

So please check if your axle is sufficiently held in place by trying to turn your axle after the pinch bolt has been tightened.

BTW: Specialized inserts the axle from the other side (the drive side), so that if anything happens, the axle tightens itself instead of loosening itself.
 

ChrisKring

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not all carbon molds are made from steel. It depends on the size of the tool. If its a large too tell me how the operator will open it with out a overhead crane? Moving, pushing, pulling steel tools around is a pain in the rear end. Opperators love alu tools, keep the operators happy, you will have happy bikes :thumb:
With a hydraulic press like most other production tools. Even a small aluminum tool is too heavy to lift by hand.
 

MmmBones

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May 8, 2011
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Caution :eek:

Check the pinch bolts on your rear axles!!!




We're on vacation in Whistler with three Carbon V10s. On two of those, the pinch bolt on the rear axle does not hold the rear axle in place.

Even with the pinch bolt tightened very hard, it does not pinch the axle down sufficiently. You can still turn the axle with your 6mm allen key, even though it should be pinched in place.

This is an extremely dangerous situation, as with a dragging bearing on the rear hub, the axle can actually unwind itself. This happened to my friend who took a nasty spill on a large jump on freight train as a result of this and had to get stitched up.

People could die from this kind of thing.

So please check if your axle is sufficiently held in place by trying to turn your axle after the pinch bolt has been tightened.

BTW: Specialized inserts the axle from the other side (the drive side), so that if anything happens, the axle tightens itself instead of loosening itself.
This started happening to me so I carefully cleaned the the axle and dropout and used blue loc-tite to secure it. Haven't had a problem since!:thumb:
 

tom

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Mar 17, 2011
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I also used loctite on mine. Luckily, mine stayed in place even before I knew of the problem.

However, the pinch bolt should still be there to keep it from unwinding itself and, maybe most importantly, make the whole axle assembly stiffer.

I talked to a guy in Whistler with the same problem (now it's at least 3 bikes) and he used a Rock Shox Maxle as a quick fix. The Maxle expands at one end, taking over the job that the pinch bolt should do.

In fact, on my bike and all the other bikes with the same problem, the rear axle works like a Maxle that is only screwed in but not expanded with the quick release.

Sure, if you're lucky the main thread will keep the axle from unwinding itself, but it's sure as hell not working like it should on a 3000 dollar frame. And it's not something I want to be worrying about on a run down A Line.