I think Maxxis no longer has issues with Stan's, as I've been running that sealant in my Maxxis UST tires for a couple years.
Nope. Not a replacement for any current tire. Just a supplement to our line as a do-it-all, light, fast XC trail tire.
Definitely no promises there, but it's been noted.
I disagree.In this day and age, if you're getting robust...use a tube.
and I'll disagree with you too. this issue has been discussed on RM at length. The issue with tubeless for DH is blowing the bead off the rim under high cornering loads. even the best, most robust system (true UST) has a hard time holding the tires on under really hard cornering. I think the last time it was discussed was during Canberra Worlds when Sick Mick tried tubeless and had some sort of dual valve thing going on. Everyone talked about the solution Vouilloz had come up with that was some sort of small tube inside the tire that pressed the bead against the beadlock of the rim.I disagree.
In my experience, when people have issues with tubeless, it's because they're doing it wrong, and then end up blaming the tubeless setup instead of themselves for getting details wrong. For example, if you mount tires that aren't designed to be run tubeless on a standard rim that you sealed with tape, and then it doesn't work....well, it wasn't designed to work tubeless.
On the other hand, if you use UST rims with either UST tires or TLR tires and sealant, it's just about stupid-proof and with sealant it eliminates two failure modes that exist with tubes: pinch flats and small punctures.
I'm not saying properly done tubeless systems are infallible by any means, but done correctly, mounting a tire and holding pressure is equivalently robust to a tube, but you ditch two failure modes.
It's all in the details.....
And you gain an entirely new failure mode even when done 'correctly'I disagree.
In my experience, when people have issues with tubeless, it's because they're doing it wrong, and then end up blaming the tubeless setup instead of themselves for getting details wrong. For example, if you mount tires that aren't designed to be run tubeless on a standard rim that you sealed with tape, and then it doesn't work....well, it wasn't designed to work tubeless.
On the other hand, if you use UST rims with either UST tires or TLR tires and sealant, it's just about stupid-proof and with sealant it eliminates two failure modes that exist with tubes: pinch flats and small punctures.
I'm not saying properly done tubeless systems are infallible by any means, but done correctly, mounting a tire and holding pressure is equivalently robust to a tube, but you ditch two failure modes.
It's all in the details.....
Oh I don't know.......
ha! totally missed that! I guess my mind isn't in the gutter enough...I made a vague reference to unprotected sex and I get a paragraph on tire technology. What the hell are these forums coming to?
what is this i see? please be available aftermarket.
they currently offer 70/60; 65/55, and 50/45 for the dual compound tires - i'm hoping for 50/45 like the clutch but can deal with 65/55...
thanks landcruiser!Been waiting for someone to catch on...
Butcher Control 2.3
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- Single ply 60tpi casing.
- Single compound 50a durometer.
- Tread is slightly lower profile than the DH version.
Kidwoo, I know you were asking for 60a for longer wear. We're going with 50a for now for the guys who really want that grip. You'll see the Stumpy Evo's and the Enduro's all come with a Butcher 2.3 up front, Purgatory 2.2 rear for pedaling/wear.
Not really anything to do with wear at all. More like speed/accleration and pedaling efficiency.
thanks for the info. can't wait.
Ah, well they should be a little better in that regard due to the lower tread height (not a full, squirmy dh block), but I understand your concern.
Get all your friends and call your reps! The people that choose what to stock don't listen to us, they listen to the customers.
Been waiting for someone to catch on...
Butcher Control 2.3
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- Single ply, 2bliss 60tpi casing.
- Single compound 50a durometer.
- Tread is slightly lower profile than the DH version.
- 730g
Kidwoo, I know you were asking for 60a for longer wear. We're going with 50a for now for the guys who really want that grip. You'll see the Stumpy Evo's and the Enduro's all come with a Butcher 2.3 up front, Purgatory 2.2 rear for pedaling/wear.
I'm not w the Kid on this one. I've been looking for a 2.3, soft, +/- 700g, tubeless compatible tire. It's remarkably hard to come by.
I've got an old sx casing (before they were called sx) chunder on the front of my trail bike right now, came stock on a demo 7 I bought years ago. I've been running it tubeless on some mavic 819s just fine for what it's worth.
Yeah I know... I'd love the light weight, but my reality is that I tend to cut the sidewalls of my tires before they get a chance to wear out. so even at 800 to 850g, I'll take the sidewall protection...
MSRP on a 3C High Roller 2 is $93.
two different tires designed for two different types of riding from two different manufacturers; 3C vs. single compound, etc.
Two DH tires made in the same factory. All I was implying is that DH tires have gotten pretty expensive. That is all.
the butcher control is not a DH tire, it's a single ply 730g trail tire. but yes, tire costs in general are crazy. i was just surprised to see this tire priced so much higher than equivalent category and usage tires from S. i guess molds and design/first run costs need to be recouped.
Totally missed that you were referring to the Butcher. I thought you were talking about the Hillbilly.
While I understand tire prices have gone up a lot over that last couple of years $75 for a single ply MTB is full ****ing retard. I thought this was going to be the holy grail trail bike tire. But ****, $75?
This pricing escalation is Schwalbe's fault
