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Specialized Hillbilly Reviews?

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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This pricing escalation is Schwalbe's fault

The 730 gram Butcher Control looks to be on the money for aggressive trail riding/super d on a dry day

Would really like to see Storm and a Hill Billy in a more trail rider/super d friendly weight/casing. The only option for a quality spike type tire that is not on a DH casing is the pathetically puny Maxxis Medusa. A Control Storm and a Control Hill Billy in a 2.3 please. With the explosion of Super D and Enduro races these tires have to happen. They would have been on every other bike at the Sandy Ride Spring Super D Series if they had existed 6 months ago.

Keep up the good work Specialized.
spoken w/ truth here some of us want a light casing mud tire...ala 2.3+ Medusa hopefully someone is listening...

Sandy for sure...
 

JimEG

Chimp
May 29, 2006
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Capitol Forest
...I'm listening.
Schwalbe makes a folding tubeless 2.35 Dirty Dan. 920 grams.:thumb:
The folding DD is close. With what Specialized is doing though a spike folding AM tire from them would be sub 800 I would guess.

A 2.35(or 2.5, a Maxxis 2.5 is more like a Schwalbe 2.25) Medusa would be money!
 
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mtg

Green with Envy
Sep 21, 2009
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Denver, CO
MmmmBones: you work for Schwalbe?

If so, how about some tubeless ready dual ply DH tires? Similar to the 2011 trail bike tires, those are all tubeless ready now, and only 5g heavier than the 2010 tube version.
 

JimEG

Chimp
May 29, 2006
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Capitol Forest
Care to elaborate?
At retail, the $81 Hans Dampf is off the charts expensive(and aren't they made in Indonesia?, compare that to a $58 Mountain King actually made in Germany). They are getting away with it, and I'm sure the other manufacturers have noticed. More profit for all. A theory.

Schwalbe tires are well built, and seem to be obscenely light compared to how durable they are. The 2.4 Snake Skin Nobby Nic is a tire that defies logic. How can it be that aggressive, lightweight and have such a durable sidewall? Trail riding application of course, not DH.
 
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mtg

Green with Envy
Sep 21, 2009
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The standard Schwalbe trail tire sidewall is not real tough, but the SnakeSkin and Double Defense versions are real tough, and still light.

If you ride DH, and get Schwalbe trail tires, definitely get the beefier sidewalls.
 

JimEG

Chimp
May 29, 2006
70
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Capitol Forest
Easy. It doesn't have a durable sidewall.
Huh. For a 650 gram 2.4" trail tire, the Snake Skin sidewall is very durable for what it is. I've run tubeless Snake Skin sidewalls around the northwest for the last few years with no trouble. Trail riding and Super D racing. No DH - but that is not this tire's application. Its a sub 700 gram trail tire.
 
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mtg

Green with Envy
Sep 21, 2009
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Denver, CO
Huh. For a 650 gram 2.4" trail tire, the Snake Skin sidewall is very durable for what it is. I've run tubeless Snake Skin sidewalls around the northwest for the last few years with no trouble. Trail riding and Super D racing. No DH - but that is not this tire's application is. Its a sub 700 gram trail tire.
That's the key. The standard carcass isn't nearly as tough.
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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A 2.35(or 2.5, a Maxxis 2.5 is more like a Schwalbe 2.25) Medusa would be money!
i REALLY love the tread design on the Medusa if anyone from Maxxis is listening a larger volume casing of this tire would go over VERY well around here...bring on some hillbilly competition.
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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Nilbog
...I'm listening.
Schwalbe makes a folding tubeless 2.35 Dirty Dan. 920 grams.:thumb:
See that is still pretty heavy...I guess I am looking for a AM bike spike tire for the spring/fall/winter around here it get's pretty gross...

I run highroller foldings most of the year around here and i think those sit about 750 or something.
 

manhattanprjkt83

Rusty Trombone
Jul 10, 2003
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those are pretty good but would clog in the winters around here...you really need a true spike to keep traction once things go south...
 

Pslide

Turbo Monkey
This was so close to being a good trail bike tire:



Charge Splashback

They made it slightly too wimpy in my opinion. Should have squared off the shoulder blocks, another mm of tread height in the center and a 2.3 casing and it would have been perfect.
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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those are pretty good but would clog in the winters around here...you really need a true spike to keep traction once things go south...
I ordered a set of Hans Dampf for the conditions of which you speak. Haven't tried them yet, but there's some good reviews out there. (and some bad reviews too! though mostly related to tread life - which is not a concern for me, these will be strictly wet weather tires).
 

landcruiser

Monkey
May 9, 2002
186
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San Jose, CA
Just wanted to point out: the Butcher Control is only $50 like all our other control tires. It was never supposed to be priced differently.

Terribly sorry for all the confusion and delay, but the MSRP is now correct on the website. The dealer site isn't updated quite yet, but it is in fact $50 msrp, not that other obscene number.
 

davec113

Monkey
May 24, 2009
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Just wanted to point out: the Butcher Control is only $50 like all our other control tires. It was never supposed to be priced differently.

Terribly sorry for all the confusion and delay, but the MSRP is now correct on the website. The dealer site isn't updated quite yet, but it is in fact $50 msrp, not that other obscene number.
Awesome!

I just put 2.3 Butcher dh tires on my dh bike and love them... better than minions and super fast rolling.
 

Inclag

Turbo Monkey
Sep 9, 2001
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MA
So, it looks like you can now purchase a 2.5" wide Hillbilly. I'm loving the 2.3", but for higher speed soft/grassy chunder (Think the old Mount Snow National courses) these may be the bees knees.

Anyone have any time on them yet?
 

landcruiser

Monkey
May 9, 2002
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40
San Jose, CA
Well I'm biased, but:

I got to spend some time on a shuttle trail back in spring that had some open grassy meadows between the trees (We don't normally have a whole lot of grassy trails around here). Back to back between Butcher and Hillbilly (2.5 front, 2.3 rear), and the Hillbilly was definitely my preferred tire in the grass. The spikes do a much better job of penetrating grass to find traction. The Butcher wasn't bad per say, but they didn't lock in like the Hillbilly.

There's a reason most soccer/football/golf cleats are spikes/blades, not blocks.

The 2.5 obviously gives you more volume to smooth out the ride, with a little more open tread. The drier and rougher it is, the more I prefer the 2.5.
 

Salami

Turbo Monkey
Jul 17, 2003
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Waxhaw, NC
Just wanted to point out: the Butcher Control is only $50 like all our other control tires.

Just saw that. Tire just went to the top of the list.


Any ideas on when the Purgatory Control 26x2.2 will be back in stock? Thinking this in back with a Butcher up front would be a great all mountain setup.
 

landcruiser

Monkey
May 9, 2002
186
40
San Jose, CA
Any ideas on when the Purgatory Control 26x2.2 will be back in stock? Thinking this in back with a Butcher up front would be a great all mountain setup.
That's the go-to setup for most of our guys, I love it. Not sure exactly when they'll be back online, but there's plenty in our east coast warehouse that your local shop can order.