Out of the loop, Couple Demo Questions...

No major changes. I believe the drop outs have been changed so they are compatible w/ all hubs, but I'm not 100% sure.

Previously anything over 19mm outside diameter on hub axle would need some "adjusting" to fit.

CCDB is vastly superior to Fox. There should be some good setup info from CC for the Demo. It comes w/ CCBD now, if you put a Fox on you are going backwards in a big way.

Dropouts have been changed. They now work with the majority of wheels.

I've ridden Fox, Rock Shox and CCDB on the demo. The CCDB felt horrible even after being setup by the Monster Specialized mechanic. Then it blew itself to pieces.

Vivid felt best to me.

So, Ive searched everywhere and can not find a weight on the '12 Demo. The closest thing I found was a full build with an air shock. I'm trying to figure out what type of penalty to expect over my current '08 Factory Sunday. Anyone have an accurate weight?

Pegboy said:

So, Ive searched everywhere and can not find a weight on the '12 Demo. The closest thing I found was a full build with an air shock. I'm trying to figure out what type of penalty to expect over my current '08 Factory Sunday. Anyone have an accurate weight?

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I want to say you can easily build up a size small around 37 pounds without getting crazy. Team bikes were ludicrously light, but had lots of Carbon and Ti.

Transcend said:

The CCDB felt horrible even after being setup by the Monster Specialized mechanic. Then it blew itself to pieces.

Vivid felt best to me.

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sounds like they sabotaged you to get you on a RS product

IH8Rice said:

sounds like they sabotaged you to get you on a RS product

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I'd already been on the other 2 shocks for 6 months. The shock also detonated after about 5 days in Whistler. As in, broken parts floating around and making loose metal noises in the damper and oil pissing out the top adjusters at regular intervals.

Clearly not a regular occurrence for a CCDB, but combined with the fact that it felt terrible, enough to keep me off of one in the future.

Transcend said:

Clearly not a regular occurrence for a CCDB, but combined with the fact that it felt terrible, enough to keep me off of one in the future.

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Maybe it felt terrible because it was broken? Just a thought...

illnotsick said:

Maybe it felt terrible because it was broken? Just a thought...

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Broke after a week of feeling terrible.

Correlation does not imply causation

My 2012 large Demo 8 II weighed 38 pounds on the dot today at the shop. From what I've heard the CCDB is matched very well to the Demo. The RC4's are very progressive and the Demo linkage is progressive which makes for a harsher ride. The CCDB is supposed to work well with progressive bikes.
I've used the CCDB for 4 years and it doesn't feel as good as fox in the parking lot or at slow speeds. Turn the wick up and it makes rough trails feel smooth...............if set up right. Spec sends a nice base setup card with the bike so it takes some guess work out of it.
I'd say go 2012 and get the new drop outs and the CCDB.

cheers

Transcend said:

Broke after a week of feeling terrible.

Correlation does not imply causation

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uhhhh, yeah it does ?

If something WAS wrong with the shock to begin with it doesnt mean it would have detonated right away and may not perform the way it should for a period of time.To say a CCDB feels horrible is a BOLD statement and one would think the shock needed to be serviced . . . not best match for the frame maybe, terrible, Im just not buying.

Otherwise are you implying the product manager at Specialized dont know what works best with their bikes and spec them with bling/pricey shocks just to sell more bikes ???? . . . Now that would be a first for Specialized.

my buddy's stock medium 2012 Demo 8 II weighs 38lbs 5oz

this bike here as pictured (Medium frame - full coil):



weighs 37lbs 15oz on a park scale.

2011 would have to modify the rear stays for a hadley to fit. well, i actually modified the hadley hub end cap and left my frame alone.

i have owned the RC4, Vivid Coil, Vivid Air, and CCDB on my demo. the CCDB is the best shock i've used on the demo. the vivid coil would easily be the second choice over the RC4 & ticking time bomb shock (vivid air).

i could not get my demo to feel good with the rc4 no matter what kind of settings i tried. i gave up on it and replaced it with a vivid coil first and it was instantly another bike. the set up on the vivid coil was also ridiculously easy to get my bike feeling dialed. the vivid air also felt great, but it was unreliable for me and even after getting it back from SRAM through warranty it crapped out again.

still, i had a CCDB on order and when it finally came it was worth the wait. if you know what kind of feeling you want and if you learn how adjusting the compression/rebound circuits affect the way your bike reacts, you can dial it in perfectly. i don't even know my rear shock is ever doing anything when i'm riding and pinned. it just works perfectly with no fuss, small bumps, big drops, g-outs... swallows everything whole. the vivid coil rode the same way as my ccdb does, but it felt different - and not in a negative way.

everyone is different, buy what makes you happy.

Transcend said:

Correlation does not imply causation

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Flip the coin over,

Correlation doesn't rule out causation.

So, I am wondering why everybody keeps giving me full build weights when I clearly asked for FRAME ONLY weight...Then I realize that I am a jackass and did not specify FRAME ONLY.

If anyone has the weight for the '12 Demo FRAME...uhmm, yeah, that would be great.

Biffff said:

My 2012 large Demo 8 II weighed 38 pounds on the dot today at the shop. From what I've heard the CCDB is matched very well to the Demo. The RC4's are very progressive and the Demo linkage is progressive which makes for a harsher ride. The CCDB is supposed to work well with progressive bikes.

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The Demo's leverage rate is actually only slightly progressive - definitely nowhere near say a 951, and not actually much moreso than you can get out of some singlepivots. In my experience you can get it feeling pretty primo with an RC4, but you do need to know what you're doing with the adjusters since the range of adjustment is pretty wide and it's not too hard to have one or two settings out of whack that make the whole thing feel pretty bad.

Same goes for the CCDB - if you know what each adjustment is affecting specifically, you will be able to get it feeling pretty sweet, but if you're unclear on what adjustments you need to make in order to get certain characteristics out of it, it's really not that hard to make it feel pretty horrible.


On another note, has anybody managed to crack one of the 11/12 Demo frames? If so, whereabouts? PM me if you'd rather not post it in public.

My 2011 size medium frame weights 4.22 kg. Thats with rear axle, stock headset, seat clamp, shock hardware and bb adapter.

steelforeel said:

My 2011 size medium frame weights 4.22 kg. Thats with rear axle, stock headset, seat clamp, shock hardware and bb adapter.

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He clearly asked for frame only, so remove all parts, strip the paint, re-weigh, then report back.

Steve M said:

On another note, has anybody managed to crack one of the 11/12 Demo frames? If so, whereabouts? PM me if you'd rather not post it in public.

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i know of three cracked frames here (not mine actually, thank gawd...), all cracked at the same place, at the bottom of the non-drive side chainstay, at the weld with the yoke. and it happened at one single race....

edit: my frame is mighty fine, no problems whatsoever...

on another note: you might run into problems with a fork that has a straight lower crown (fox 40, bos) as it will hit the frame with the lower crown. specialized has bumpers for fox 40s, which should come with the frame.
that's a spacer i fabricated to avoid the contact between the fork and the frame.



this is where the fork touched the frame (before installing the spacer)

worship_mud said:

i know of three cracked frames here (not mine actually, thank gawd...), all cracked at the same place, at the bottom of the non-drive side chainstay, at the weld with the yoke. and it happened at one single race....

edit: my frame is mighty fine, no problems whatsoever...

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Cool, thanks. Any idea how old the bikes were at the time?

the race was in september 2011, all frames where 2011 models, so i guess ca. 9-10 months.

Specialized has a lifetime warranty though, so they will all get new frames. Then when it breaks again in 10 years, brand new 2022 demo frame.

illnotsick said:

Specialized has a lifetime warranty though, so they will all get new frames. Then when it breaks again in 10 years, brand new 2022 carbonium demo frame.

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There ya go!