neck injuries/protection

mcA896 · Aug 4, 2005

someone where i work suggested i wear a neck donut when racing to prevent whiplash or your head from jerking around excessively in a crash. he uses one for stock car racing and says it really doesnt limit mobility

Repack · Aug 4, 2005

A Cowboy Collar made by McDavid is better than a neck role. Neck roles can act as a fulcrum if mounted improperly. Cowboy Collars act as a craddle and would be much easier to use. The roles need to be mounted to something stiff like football pads. I'm not sure that a roost guard would be enough. Mounting one to Dainese would be a major pain. The Cowboy Collar you just wear and put your pads on over, but it does have the means to tether it to your pads.
I used both when I played footbal and the McDavid works much better.

Transcend · Aug 4, 2005

Repack said:
A Cowboy Collar made by McDavid is better than a neck role. Neck roles can act as a fulcrum if mounted improperly. Cowboy Collars act as a craddle and would be much easier to use. The roles need to be mounted to something stiff like football pads. I'm not sure that a roost guard would be enough. Mounting one to Dainese would be a major pain. The Cowboy Collar you just wear and put your pads on over, but it does have the means to tether it to your pads.
I used both when I played footbal and the McDavid works much better.

I have a cowboy collar from when I used to play football. wouldn't work very well under dainese as they need the support of football shoulder pads, otherwise the neck cup part simply rolls over on the softer lower part.

Anyways, in most cases, it is a compression type fracture you get from cycling from landing on your head, a cowboy collar wouldnt work.

Zutroy · Aug 4, 2005

Yeah unfortnanly there is not alot you can to to prevent neck injuries in sports were you have so many vectors the impact can come from. If someone could come up with one, you'd be a hero to alot of people.

atrokz · Aug 5, 2005

work out your neck, shoulder and back muscles more?

S.K.C. · Aug 5, 2005

- if only that would do it...

... unless you're shooting up more gorilla sperm than Schwarzenegger in the early 70's, or have a 36-inch neck like Aaron Gibson from the NFL, if you land really hard on yer noggin' stuff is gonna break.

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Until the armor gets better suited to neck and spine protection, we're on our own.

Just remember whether you're racing, or just out having fun, ride well within your capabilites, and be alert of your environment at all times.

Gelbwurstbrot · Aug 5, 2005

661 neck roll
http://www2.hibike.de/main.php?sessionID=B7db1a206b2e4962e8620c3b28c35603&method=m_catpd&menuID=1485&groupID=19

Downhiller · Aug 5, 2005

in F1 guiys have that neck protection, stick on their helmets..

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030914/sp.jpg

looks big

dhpunk~ · Aug 5, 2005

Fulton said:
a couple of years ago there was some talk of a 1 piece helmet/should pad combo, that was padded and was supposed to reduce neck injuries. I *think* bell was developing it. I haven't heard anything about it in a long time. seems as though there have been an aweful lot of neck injuries recently, there must be some way we can improve upon the current gear. Anyone know what I'm talking about? I did a google search and couldn't find anything.

there's this great new product thats tearing up the Sno-X / MX / most importantly the DH MTB scene recently....http://racetecnology.ca/company.htm . this simple, adjustable straps secure to the jaw of the helmet then underneath your chin preventing the helmet from rolling back and damaging your neck and exposing your jaw to impact. besides the added protection of this device, it adds more comfort when wearing my TLD D2 helmet that tends to strap my throat more than my jaw. what im saying is, when i strap the helmet on so there's zero play for/aft, side to side i have troubles gasping for air when racing.....with this Chin-Jock setup i have zero helmet movement during fast rocky descents or while checking for movements using your hands, with the helmet strap just right for better breathing comfort.

its a great new product, i wouldnt ride without.....which cost very little! seriously give one a try.

darryl

BKQuill · Aug 5, 2005

Downhiller said:
in F1 guiys have that neck protection, stick on their helmets..

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030914/sp.jpg

looks big

The HANS device wouldn't work for cycling. The HANS device is designed to reduce the chance of injury caused by unrestrained movement of the head during crashes, causing a fracture to the base of the skull. This type of injury is due to the driver's head being left unsecured in the car while his body is strapped securely to his seat.

The HANS device is held onto the upper body by a harness worn by the driver. Two flexible tethers on the collar are attached to the helmet to prevent the head from snapping forward or to the side during a wreck. Since we are not strapped in with a five point harness, the HANS device would offer little if any protection, it could actually cause more problems if it wasn't used properly.

Zutroy · Aug 5, 2005

dhpunk~ said:
there's this great new product thats tearing up the Sno-X / MX / most importantly the DH MTB scene recently....http://racetecnology.ca/company.htm . this simple, adjustable straps secure to the jaw of the helmet then underneath your chin preventing the helmet from rolling back and damaging your neck and exposing your jaw to impact. besides the added protection of this device, it adds more comfort when wearing my TLD D2 helmet that tends to strap my throat more than my jaw. what im saying is, when i strap the helmet on so there's zero play for/aft, side to side i have troubles gasping for air when racing.....with this Chin-Jock setup i have zero helmet movement during fast rocky descents or while checking for movements using your hands, with the helmet strap just right for better breathing comfort.

its a great new product, i wouldnt ride without.....which cost very little! seriously give one a try.

darryl

Yeah, it's a great product to help protect your chin. However it's not going to help protect your neck, and I don't think the mfg claims that either. Ot at least in any material I've seen from them. Non the less a good idea.

ncrider · Aug 5, 2005

I have one of those chin joke things. I used it once a long time ago and it seemed to stablize your helmet realy well. No reason to not have used it since. Great preotection for your chin/jaw, but I don't see how it will help your neck.

AlmostHeaven · Aug 5, 2005

Zutroy said:
Yeah, it's a great product to help protect your chin. However it's not going to help protect your neck, and I don't think the mfg claims that either. Ot at least in any material I've seen from them. Non the less a good idea.

the Chin Jock is a very well-made and thought out product. i was given one by Shaums at the last Camp he did here and I've used it a little bit since getting it. there is a significant reduction in your helmet getting jostled around while riding on rough sections or in a crash, more importantly.

i don't think there are any claims that it will protect against breaking your neck/back, but it is the least you can do to help keep the helmet where it's supposed to be and in the proper position for it to do it's JOB. protect your head! without a Chin Jock, it is very possible for your helmet to get jacked up past your jaw-line and leave it entirely exposed.

i'd check into them if you have any striving for self-preservation.

blt2ride · Aug 5, 2005

Anyways, in most cases, it is a compression type fracture you get from cycling from landing on your head, a cowboy collar wouldnt work.

Yeah, I don't know if there is any type of equipment that can prevent a compression type injury to the neck or back. Nevertheless, this is the type of injury I think we all fear the most...

BMXman · Aug 5, 2005

I would thing neck execises would be your best defense....but boy do they really burn when your done and the first time you're recovering you're really sore...boxers do them regularly...D

Transcend · Aug 5, 2005

none of those gadgets will do a damn thing. Practice NOT crashing on your head, that is about all you can do. BMXman's advice is also good...excercise.

Turd Ferguson · Aug 5, 2005

Transcend said:
none of those gadgets will do a damn thing. Practice NOT crashing on your head, that is about all you can do. BMXman's advice is also good...excercise.

Great advice. I know I practice crashing on my head/body(because I suck) when I snowboard. This training is great for crashing on the dirt. It allows you to make a split-second decision, when crashing, that could mean the difference between walking away or not.

BMXman · Aug 5, 2005

yeah a weak neck can make your injuries so much worse...you end up like a newborn who's head is flinging around because they can't support it!.....D

Slugman · Aug 5, 2005

Transcend said:
none of those gadgets will do a damn thing. Practice NOT crashing on your head, that is about all you can do. BMXman's advice is also good...excercise.

Force = Mass x Accelration ... so if I flip and land on my head (i'm 200lbs) at 10mph - that's a 2000 Lbf load applied to my head in an instant.

Transcend · Aug 5, 2005

Slugman said:
Force = Mass x Accelration ... so if I flip and land on my head (i'm 200lbs) at 10mph - that's a 2000 Lbf load applied to my head in an instant.

Ya - lots of years of football, boarder cross racinga nd downhill have taught me to roll perfectly almost every time i crash. It saves me from ALOT of injuries.

Ask Motionboy2 about out video up in Breckenridge for an example. They all thought I was dead...i walked away unscathed. (not so much can be said for the tree I hit).

Turd Ferguson · Aug 5, 2005

Slugman said:
Force = Mass x Accelration ... so if I flip and land on my head (i'm 200lbs) at 10mph - that's a 2000 Lbf load applied to my head in an instant.

I've forgotten alot about physics but I think force is measured in newtons. 2000 lb/ft seems like an overestimate.(Imagine that in inches)

Slugman · Aug 5, 2005

Turd Ferguson said:
I've forgotten alot about physics but I think force is measured in newtons. 2000 lb/ft seems like an overestimate.(Imagine that in inches)

Yes you have :eviltongu

Newtons is metric, Lbf (pound force not lb/ft) is SI - just different units.

2000Lbf = 8896 Newtons

Turd Ferguson · Aug 5, 2005

Yeah, sometimes I don't know wtf I'm talking about but it's fun to pretend.

julianday0 · Apr 17, 2007

That leets brace system is supposed to work well. Perhaps the most extensive in terms of actual testing for real world application. It seems as though, in order to reduce the risk of spinal compression, the helmet manufacturers themselves should be more concerned with design. there really isn't enough give if you hit the top of your head in a colision.
Wearing a visor for freeriding is probably not a wise idea because you become less aware of branches etc... and in the event of a roll out, your vision is impared. I have heard of broken C1-3's from low lying branches that weren't visible because the rider was wearing a visor.

konaman937 · Apr 18, 2007

http://www.btosports.com/c/LEATT

the leatt neck brace was desgned by david bailey
he is paralyezed now.

you see people like kevin windham, and chadreed wearing this.

its the best neck support ever made.

ChrisKring · Apr 18, 2007

konaman937 said:
http://www.btosports.com/c/LEATT

the leatt neck brace was desgned by david bailey
he is paralyezed now.

you see people like kevin windham, and chadreed wearing this.

its the best neck support ever made.

Wrong, David Bailey has nothing to do with the company other than that he endorsed the product free of charge to prevent people from ending up paralysed. The Leatt brace was designed by Dr Chris Leatt after he had a buddy die on him while the two were racing together.

I have a Leatt brace. It's very nice and does not restrict movement during normal Mx riding. I haven't tried it out for DH yet. Once I do in a few weeks, I'll post up the review. I do need to modify my upper body armour to get the brace under the spine protector. I'll post up pictures of that.

FlipFantasia · Apr 18, 2007

anyone have any experience with compressed fractures of the vertebrae? I had a stanchion snapping 'incident' a couple of weeks ago and have three comp fract and a skull fracture, I've talked to a few people that have done similiar ones and it's looking like 4 months or so till I can even get on a bike again......although I guess it all depends on how it heals.....

S.K.C. · Apr 18, 2007

Damn - sorry to hear about that. Take it slow and steady - don't try to rush recovery on a spine injury. If you think about it, you really only get one shot at how those bones will heal - if they heal improperly, extra sugery in that area is pretty sketchy.

Get well soon.

crashdwn22 · Apr 18, 2007

also, acceleration wouldnt be 10 mph...i dont think. think 9.81 m/s^2. You'd have to use a different calculation to get how hard your head/body would hit. it would be like the acceleration of you stopping (acceleration in the negative direction) which would take into account how fast you go from whatever speed you're crashing at to 0 and the time it takes to do so (less than a second). Basically though, it hurts like a BEOTCH.
Back to this topic...I'd be worried about any helmet to shoulder brace because although it would keep your neck stiff, it would probably break your collarbone...

FlipFantasia · Apr 18, 2007

S.K.C. said:
Damn - sorry to hear about that. Take it slow and steady - don't try to rush recovery on a spine injury. If you think about it, you really only get one shot at how those bones will heal - if they heal improperly, extra sugery in that area is pretty sketchy.

Get well soon.

yeah, that's what I'm doing, lots of time sitting down with a few short forays up and about every day.....

DTLogic · Apr 18, 2007

It seems there an not any great kneck protection devices but anyone know of good protection for the colar bone?

MinorThreat · Apr 18, 2007

DTLogic said:
It seems there an not any great kneck protection devices but anyone know of good protection for the colar bone?

I often run Defender shoulder caps attached to my Pressure suit for the extra overlap. Best clavicle protection in pads are found on hockey pads. Franklin and Easton both had additional hard-shell clavicle guards.

Problem is, extended arms when bailing are what do in most collarbones (I think my own included). Tuck-n-roll is the surest c-bone saver.

supercow · Jan 16, 2012

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Gopher · Jan 19, 2012

having broken my neck c6-c7 disk fusion 4 bolts and a plate. I use a Leatt but my own gripe is even with the fat guy inserts I still have issues looking down enough. the alternative is one crash and I'm dead no questions asked. So unless you have a surgical issue like myself that can't be sorted out (I'm about a inch shorter than I was) and your worried about breaking your neck use the Leatt.

Uncle Cliffy · Jan 19, 2012

Lexbrace said:
Someone did. See www.lexbrace.com.

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