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Kashima on Fox is soo 2011....

RedOne

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May 27, 2007
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Look at Dirt Magazine #120 page 33, Fast Suspension in France is offering something similar for Boxxers. But they sell you completely new stanchions with the coating for EUR 300.
But the 170 i read in the pictures comments for the coating from Pepe (Italy) are not that much if you want something special.
 

baca262

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Aug 16, 2011
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this looks like marzocchi-style black anodization. it doesn't look like dlc yet dlc would make more sense since you can get it done where they coat moto forks.

i assume this is a custom job, not having anything to do with fox.
 

Christiaan

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Feb 27, 2004
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Look at Dirt Magazine #120 page 33, Fast Suspension in France is offering something similar for Boxxers. But they sell you completely new stanchions with the coating for EUR 300.
But the 170 i read in the pictures comments for the coating from Pepe (Italy) are not that much if you want something special.
PEPE is in Germany if I am not mistaken
 

iRider

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Apr 5, 2008
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Team Robot pretty much summed this up correctly.
-KT
They just missed that the hard ano is teflon coated. And Pepe is a moto tuning company, they know what they are doing. But Team Robot seem to be Fox fanboys...so whatever. :rolleyes:
 

Sandwich

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Wow, that team robot commentary is pretty lame. I'd use other internet slang, but it might be offensive.

Marzocchi hasn't changed their black hard-anno since 2003? 2004? and they have essentially been known as the plushest and most supple forks on the market for the entire time period since. Maybe kashima is really great, but maybe marzocchi had it figured out first? Maybe it doesn't really matter and it's all marketing? Food for thought, ace....but keep huffing that fox-smug from inside your matching TLD gear.
 

jonKranked

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Wow, that team robot commentary is pretty lame. I'd use other internet slang, but it might be offensive.

Marzocchi hasn't changed their black hard-anno since 2003? 2004? and they have essentially been known as the plushest and most supple forks on the market for the entire time period since. Maybe kashima is really great, but maybe marzocchi had it figured out first? Maybe it doesn't really matter and it's all marketing? Food for thought, ace....but keep huffing that fox-smug from inside your matching TLD gear.
haha... bagging on the TR commentary, then going on a marz fanboy rant. Priceless.
 

Sandwich

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Oh hush, screech. I'm just saying, all this **** is gimmicky, even kashima. The best stanchion coating so far has been clear hard ano, because it's cheap and apparently lasts forever. Even marzocchi has fallen prey to nickel coating half their stanchions and black ano'ing the other half. Whatever sells disposable product to the next fanboy is always going to be best until it's replaced by something better. God forbid we get product with high manufacturing tolerances and quality bushings, with QC and customer service to match a fork that costs more than $1000.
 

Transcend

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Apr 18, 2002
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This is ****ing ridiculous. How much of a pathetic fox-fanboy can you get!?

A fork will only be slippery as long as lubrications is provided. And Marzocchi
has a big advantage there with its open-bath technology. Just push a random
40, boxxer or 888 and you will notice.
You should read up on Kashima then, and realize what it actually is, before you make some other ridiculous claims.

There is a reason it is used in a large percentage of high performance vehicle transmission etc.
 

bullcrew

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You should read up on Kashima then, and realize what it actually is, before you make some other ridiculous claims.

There is a reason it is used in a large percentage of high performance vehicle transmission etc.
That must be why I keep blowing up my transmissions I'm using boxxer stanchions, ill swap to fox stanchions next rebuild.


Had to say that.... lol I just snagged a 2012 fox 40I yesterday and I do like the kashima I think its fine. I think hard another black looks the best and is slippery as all get up but kashima is smooth and just plain looks cool.
 

tabletop84

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Nov 12, 2011
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You should read up on Kashima then, and realize what it actually is, before you make some other ridiculous claims.

There is a reason it is used in a large percentage of high performance vehicle transmission etc.
I didn't say a thing about kashima. And what is my ridiculous claim?
 

leprechaun

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I seem to recall my 96-2003 zokes with gold legs being super smooth. I think they went black for looks. Both are/ were teflon coated. My nickel legs are actually stickier than the black since it doesn't absorb any oil, but after ONE cycle it is great. Only an open bath fork could get away with nickel unless it was rebuilt daily (like nickel team 40s from a few seasons ago). The nickel hardens the surface to the point of where they can be made thinner and therefore lighter. The moral of the story is open bath or perhaps inverted so the splash bath oil will be on the seal all the time. Not that I think inverted is the way to go even though my Avy looked sick!
 
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baca262

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Aug 16, 2011
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I think they went black for looks.
probably. marzocchi's black is the same thing as those u-turn/sag/box(xer) markings - painted hard anodization. the color of anodization also depends on the alloy, i've seen older marzocchis with almost kashima dark stanchions, those, black and rs/fox relatively bright anodization are pretty much the same thing.

nickel is not so good (scratches more easily) but it's a bit more slippery (less friction), TiN is pretty close to nickel and DLC should whoop ass if anyone finds a way to deposit it on aluminum stanchions without durability and cost issues (primarily cost).

i recently saw a titanium oxynitride coating (blue/purple) on some race team mx forks, i wonder how long before we see one of those on a mtb fork...
 

tacubaya

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My material tech professor told me today that nickeling aluminum is a pain in the a$$ and kinda expensive because aluminium oxidizes too quicky and generates aluminum oxide which is a ceramic, and that sh1t is hard to remove.
 

baca262

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Aug 16, 2011
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My material tech professor told me today that nickeling aluminum is a pain in the a$$ and kinda expensive because aluminium oxidizes too quicky and generates aluminum oxide which is a ceramic, and that sh1t is hard to remove.
and that oxide is exactly what we have on most forks today. i've been googling around but i haven't managed to find out is it possible to deposit DLC on the hard anodization, i was even contemplating shooting a mail to oerlikon-balzers about this but never got around to do that.

what's worse - it's easily done on steel...
 

tacubaya

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Dec 19, 2009
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and that oxide is exactly what we have on most forks today. i've been googling around but i haven't managed to find out is it possible to deposit DLC on the hard anodization, i was even contemplating shooting a mail to oerlikon-balzers about this but never got around to do that.

what's worse - it's easily done on steel...
You may find your answer on this journal I was reading the other day (third paragraph)