Damn, the reach is really short on the medium, even shorter then on a session, which is short!
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Hooray, a company that realises large frames don't need hideously large seat masts and seat tubes.
But seat masts and seat tubes do not affect the stack height.
All that means is that the headtube is the same length on all the sizes.
All that means is that the headtube is the same length on all the sizes.
On behalf of Kevin, "Je te tire mon chapeau" to you too sir for the kind words.
This is a rough estimate, but a Large w/o shock BUT including plastic dummy rod to immobilize swing arm during shipping, is approx. ~ 8.2lbs
Christiann - Yep, reach is a bit short for a traditional medium, but I think it would suit a lot of guys who fall in between a medium and small.
To clear up any confusion, these are the metrics used to measure Stack and Reach (from Turner Bikes):
D = Reach
C = Stack
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I assume the plastic dummy can't be more than what? 100g? It makes it heavier than the GT fury. I expected it to be a bit lighter but at that weight it could be a banging bike for park regulars and hacks.On behalf of Kevin, "Je te tire mon chapeau" to you too sir for the kind words.
This is a rough estimate, but a Large w/o shock BUT including plastic dummy rod to immobilize swing arm during shipping, is approx. ~ 8.2lbs
Though just out of curiosity - is there any planned weight dropping in the more distant future?
So gor soneine 5'10" it would be better to get a large? Now on medium v10cOn behalf of Kevin, "Je te tire mon chapeau" to you too sir for the kind words.
This is a rough estimate, but a Large w/o shock BUT including plastic dummy rod to immobilize swing arm during shipping, is approx. ~ 8.2lbs
Christiann - Yep, reach is a bit short for a traditional medium, but I think it would suit a lot of guys who fall in between a medium and small.
But the fury is the ugliest frame ever, whuhahaha
the alternative was for the company to go bankrupt and nobody get replacement frames. how is that better?
I like the fluoro yellow fury. Though if you want looks in a carbon frame just get the antidote lifeline carbon. More and more of the pops out and they look amazing. If only the pricing was better and the susp was a bit more linear.
Not sure how much the dummy rod weighs, but I could find out. For now, there are no plans to lighten the frame.
I am between 5'10" and 5'11" and I used to ride a medium Revolt. The medium felt too small for me as far as the cockpit was concerned, so I am currently on a Large Undead. I suspect a Large may also benefit you. What is your armspan from tip of middle finger to tip of middle finger?
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I'm just complaining for the sake of complaining to be honest. People will bitch about the weight but if the ride quality and durability are up there I'd gladly take one. With my crash to ride ratio a durable bike makes sense.
I'm 5'10" and was on a medium Revolt. I rode a medium V10c last year and it didn't feel much different cockpit wise. I've been riding a large DW-DHR this year and I definitely notice the difference in cornering and getting the front end up. It takes more effort for me to corner it than the Revolt or V10c did.
I rode my medium Undead around on the street last night it felt like it fit me ok.
I got curious about this.
http://www.santacruzmtb.com/v10_carbon/#geo.php
Reach on a medium V10c is 389.9mm in 8.5" mode and 401.0 in 10" mode. Not much difference from 383mm of the Undead.
Stack is 586.7mm in 8.5" and 579.9mm in 10".
I rode my medium Undead around on the street last night it felt like it fit me ok.
I got curious about this.
http://www.santacruzmtb.com/v10_carbon/#geo.php
Reach on a medium V10c is 389.9mm in 8.5" mode and 401.0 in 10" mode. Not much difference from 383mm of the Undead.
Stack is 586.7mm in 8.5" and 579.9mm in 10".
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For those that are around 5'10" I would say they are on the cusp between Medium and Large. At this point, it comes down to riding style and rider preference. Personally, I like to have more frame in front of me, BUT there is a reason for that 
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Re-weighted my bike at the shop (sans rear derailleur/chain/shifter) and it set at 38.52lbs
Here is my warranty Undead. It sits at 37 pounds 15 ounces with a fairly heavy tube in the back as well.
No riding on it yet, tomorrow will be my first day practicing at Beech Mtn Nationals. I hope all goes well.
No riding on it yet, tomorrow will be my first day practicing at Beech Mtn Nationals. I hope all goes well.
looks like im gonna need to paint some lowers and run all black parts.
I love bikes. Bikes are fun. Yay bikes.
Mines pretty much done. Put 3M on it, shortened and bled the brakes last night. I had to steal the seatpost off the gf's bike for this weekend because my Thompson was too short. The minimum depth leaves the seat too low for me.
I don't have a weight on it yet, but the majority of the weight is right between your feet. You can definitely feel it when you pick it up.
The BB is 13.375" (my Revolt was 13.5") the way its set up right now with 5mm of stanchion sticking out the top crown. I have it set in the slack and low position.
I don't have a weight on it yet, but the majority of the weight is right between your feet. You can definitely feel it when you pick it up.
The BB is 13.375" (my Revolt was 13.5") the way its set up right now with 5mm of stanchion sticking out the top crown. I have it set in the slack and low position.
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Mines finally complete and sitting at 40.1 lbs even as below
Fox RC4 w/ steel spring, Canfield Tough Run Rims, Conti Rain Kings, 11-28 Ultegra Cassette, Thomson Elite Seatpost, Funn saddle, Candy DM Stem and Bar, ODI Grips and Hayes Prime Experts and Marz 888 Evo V2, E-13 LG-1, E-13 36t Chainring and E-13 DH cranks, Zee Shadow Plus derailleur and Zee Shifter.
Not the lightest build at all and I see no reason why I couldnt swap some parts and easily have a tough 37-38lbs bike without sacrificing any strength.
Fox RC4 w/ steel spring, Canfield Tough Run Rims, Conti Rain Kings, 11-28 Ultegra Cassette, Thomson Elite Seatpost, Funn saddle, Candy DM Stem and Bar, ODI Grips and Hayes Prime Experts and Marz 888 Evo V2, E-13 LG-1, E-13 36t Chainring and E-13 DH cranks, Zee Shadow Plus derailleur and Zee Shifter.
Not the lightest build at all and I see no reason why I couldnt swap some parts and easily have a tough 37-38lbs bike without sacrificing any strength.
THAT sir, is a handsome piece.Here is my warranty Undead. It sits at 37 pounds 15 ounces with a fairly heavy tube in the back as well...
RainG - Lookin' good as well!!
Here is my warranty Undead. It sits at 37 pounds 15 ounces with a fairly heavy tube in the back as well.
No riding on it yet, tomorrow will be my first day practicing at Beech Mtn Nationals. I hope all goes well.
Ninja BLK ! Good job, well done !
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Exactly. Which is kind of stupid. Bigger bikes should have bigger headtubes.
Edit: 16.45in reach for an XL?!?!?! WTF?!?! Do these guys know what an Extra Large is? Are mountain bikes becoming like condoms where there is no small, only Large, XL, and XXL?
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.... personal issues aside... I'm not exactly sure what your statement is. Are you saying that the XL is too small, or that its too big?
Calling 16.45 an XL is a joke. A real large is around that size, maybe even a hair bigger.
if it was you in the lift line at about midday then your new bicycle looks quite dapper and very stealth
Jeez - I'm glad you are passionate about this, but yes the Undead cockpits do run a bit on the small side.
If you are of the Asgaardian variety or can see the tops of everyone's head in a crowd then the XL might be a bit small for you however it is targeted at riders starting at 6'4".
That sizing really does seem small. Especially after seeing as how hard it is for all my tall friends to find a bike.Jeez - I'm glad you are passionate about this, but yes the Undead cockpits do run a bit on the small side.
If you are of the Asgaardian variety or can see the tops of everyone's head in a crowd then the XL might be a bit small for you however it is targeted at riders starting at 6'4".
Though I wanted to ask for something else - will evil have some Euro presence? Even though I'm not ready to pull the trigger faster than fall 2013 and that may be even longer if a carbon zerode trailbike comes out I'd really like to test one out on the off chance I have some spare cash and decide I still don't need a car at 25.
Oh wow they exist, nice looking bike too!
I wish Ih8rice would just put his differences aside and acknowledge that Kevin did a good thing, something alot of current business owners wouldnt or couldnt do. He spent money where he needed and honored alot of existing warranty claims when he very easily could have folded the company or sold it and rebooted it leaving alot of people high and dry and with him potentially having hundreds of thousands more coins in his pocket.
It costs alot of time and money to do the right thing and to show people that all past troubles aside he's a man of his word.
It costs alot of time and money to do the right thing and to show people that all past troubles aside he's a man of his word.
Agreed. My old medium Revolt was too small for me so I went with a large this time around and I'm between 5'10" and 5'11".
EDIT: I'll mention the sizing to Kevin but since the molds for the frames (4 different molds for each size) have been made and are extremely expensive, retooling for a sizing adjustment may have to be put on hold for some time.
I would say in real world terms, sizing runs as follows (which is my opinion and differs from the official size chart):
Small: 4'10" to 5'5" Medium: 5'5" to 5'10" Large: 5'10 to 6'2" and XL: 6'2" and up
As far as a Euro presence, it's an odd coincidence you should bring this up as Kevin just set up the new EVIL Europe HQ in Spain last month.
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I just don't understand this bias towards small riders. I feel like 80% of the riders I know are above 5'10 and at least 50% are above 6'. Who are buying all of these small's and mediums?Jeez - I'm glad you are passionate about this, but yes the Undead cockpits do run a bit on the small side.
If you are of the Asgaardian variety or can see the tops of everyone's head in a crowd then the XL might be a bit small for you however it is targeted at riders starting at 6'4".
I'm not tall but I also see this. The smalls should basically be called female and kids since I know only 1 person who wouldn't feel as comfortable on his medium.
As for the Euro HQ it's cool though Spain is pretty far from the main riding centers. Keep us posted. Maybe if there will be one in Morzine or some place like that it would be nice.
i donno if anybody as mentioned, but i love the progression of this thread.
From "OMFG CARBONZ" to "EVIL SUCKZORS" from the non owners and "EVIL IS THE BEST" from the owners of the broken frames, to "TWO MORE WEEKS" to "**** EVIL" to "WHY DON"T THEY MAKE ONE IN MY SIZE"
From "OMFG CARBONZ" to "EVIL SUCKZORS" from the non owners and "EVIL IS THE BEST" from the owners of the broken frames, to "TWO MORE WEEKS" to "**** EVIL" to "WHY DON"T THEY MAKE ONE IN MY SIZE"
I've been asking myself the same question for some time. It almost seems like there is a market being missed by bike manufactures. Most riders are men and the average man is 6'. That means 50% of all men are 6' or taller yet there aren't many options for us. I'm either missing something or I should start my own company targeted at riders over 6'.
However, being a monster myself, it makes my wish list of bikes much easier to manage.
At 6'7", my list includes a V10, 303R, Wilson, and DHR as they are the only companies that make a true XL.