fvcking aurora colorado
- Thread starter stevew
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Really? This doesn't surpise you? So you think everyone in CO is capable of this?
if you have lived in aurora....you wouldn't be surprised.
Take it to PAWN n00bs! Calling it 14 now.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21118201/unknown-number-people-shot-at-aurora-movie-theater
*edit: back down to 12.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21118201/unknown-number-people-shot-at-aurora-movie-theater
*edit: back down to 12.
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this wouldnt have happened if the others had guns
I'd just like to point out to alarmists like norbar that the other 67 million (or so) people that own guns in the US managed not to murder groups of people yesterday.
Maybe it would have played out like the old timer in the internet cafe in FL. Maybe it would have been a **** show. All we know is how it actually went, and that's all that matters.
Doesn't matter if you're pro gun or anti gun, there's going to be a whole lot of people playing Monday morning quarterback the next few days. The main thing they have in common is that they weren't there, and have no clue what they're talking about.
Maybe it would have played out like the old timer in the internet cafe in FL. Maybe it would have been a **** show. All we know is how it actually went, and that's all that matters.
Doesn't matter if you're pro gun or anti gun, there's going to be a whole lot of people playing Monday morning quarterback the next few days. The main thing they have in common is that they weren't there, and have no clue what they're talking about.
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That's the sound of Freedom®! If you don't like it go back to Russia!
I'm not an alarmist. I live in a country where it is harder to get guns. Effect - we had NO massacres that I can remember and when they show criminal arsenals they look worse than a regular gun collection in US. There have been some instances in Europe but overall gun violence is much more rare. It's a simple equation - there is a certain chance a crazy person will get a gun. More guns = bigger chance he will get a gun. Not to mention a gun culture means guns kinda come to mind easier.
Must spread rep......
This. I live in Denver by Cherry Creek which is close enough to Aurora for my liking.
If it wasn't a gun, it would've been a knife, or a can of gas and a lighter, or a pipe bomb.
At this point in the US, further restricting gun ownership will not solve anything. It will only tip the balance of power in favor of those who choose to disobey the law.
At this point in the US, further restricting gun ownership will not solve anything. It will only tip the balance of power in favor of those who choose to disobey the law.
Hannafords probably has tin foil on sale if you need more.
When was the last time you heard about knife massacre with dozens of people killed by one untrained knife enthusiast
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/HPD-officer-fatally-shoots-knife-wielding-man-on-3570051.phpWhen was the last time you heard about knife massacre with dozens of people killed by one untrained knife enthusiast
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20543956/two-men-cut-during-fight-rtd-bus-aurora
And a multiple homicide, since you asked so nicely.
http://jersey.wantedineurope.com/news/news.php?id_n=8320
Ever tried to knife 64 people ? (14 killed and 50 wounded) Burn the place and still more people would have ran.
I love how you speculate and purposefully neglect data from other countries with stricter gun laws. Less guns = less murders, massacres etc. US murder rate per capita in 2004 was 5.9 In europe in almost every country it is below 2.5. Poland is 1.7. That is 3x less likely. Germany is 1.0 - you are almost 6 times less likely to be murdered in Germany than in US. US murder rate is between Cuba and India. Not really a great place to be.
As for your multi murder example - it is just really bad. It was a family murder. The gun would have prevented nothing. Try to have a spree in the street and people will just run from you or beat you up. If you compare a knife to a gun you are just deluded.
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I'm not allowed in there anymore after the last time...
And I like how you speculate and purposefully neglect Switzerland in your stilted biased argument. You also didn't mention Slovakia, #7 in the world for homicides involving guns.
Do you realize that the US is pretty much the same size as the entirety of Europe? I think a better comparison would be state by state.
Let's look at the state in which I live currently:
VT has no permits for pistols. As long as you have a clean record, you're free to open or concealed carry a pistol. As far as long guns; the last time I bought a rifle, it took less time to pick it out, fill out the paperwork, run the background check, pay, and leave than it takes to REGISTER A CAR AT THE DMV.
Not a whole lot of gun crime up here. But you'll probably argue the fact that we only have 600k or so population.
Well let's look at a statistic from the DOJ:
Do you realize that over 1/4 of the guns IN THE WORLD are owned by US citizens? And that half of the guns being manufactured today are bought in the US? There isn't exaclty an on/off switch for that. When politicians propose new, stricter gun control in the US, it does exactly what Rufus called me crazy for. It tips the balance of power from law abiding citizens to criminals. Look at Chicago. Hell look at Britain! They banned handguns after the Dunblane massacre, and there's still gun crime in Britain? How about that.
I'm done with this. And I'm going to go buy another pistol today just to spite you norbar. (not really, I wanted a .22 ruger for practice anyway)
I'm also done with this because I think it's deplorable to politicize the murder of innocent people. This is a tragedy, and I apologize for my outbursts.
Do you realize that the US is pretty much the same size as the entirety of Europe? I think a better comparison would be state by state.
Let's look at the state in which I live currently:
VT has no permits for pistols. As long as you have a clean record, you're free to open or concealed carry a pistol. As far as long guns; the last time I bought a rifle, it took less time to pick it out, fill out the paperwork, run the background check, pay, and leave than it takes to REGISTER A CAR AT THE DMV.
Not a whole lot of gun crime up here. But you'll probably argue the fact that we only have 600k or so population.
Well let's look at a statistic from the DOJ:
So you want to infringe upon my rights because other people can't obey the law? Criminals are going to do what they want, regardless of the law. That's why we call them criminals.
Do you realize that over 1/4 of the guns IN THE WORLD are owned by US citizens? And that half of the guns being manufactured today are bought in the US? There isn't exaclty an on/off switch for that. When politicians propose new, stricter gun control in the US, it does exactly what Rufus called me crazy for. It tips the balance of power from law abiding citizens to criminals. Look at Chicago. Hell look at Britain! They banned handguns after the Dunblane massacre, and there's still gun crime in Britain? How about that.
I'm done with this. And I'm going to go buy another pistol today just to spite you norbar. (not really, I wanted a .22 ruger for practice anyway)
I'm also done with this because I think it's deplorable to politicize the murder of innocent people. This is a tragedy, and I apologize for my outbursts.
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Assholes. That's who.As an aside, who the hell takes a 3-month old to a midnight screening of Batman?
but you have to admit it....colfax near the ogden/bluebird can be awesome at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning...
On another aside, there are now 28 parents that will not have their children around. Doesn't matter the reason, though we clearly know what that is with this story, and no, I have not read the articles, only the initial headlines, so I don't know the ages of those gone/injured.
I wonder how long before any of these parents happen to join Compassionate Friends chat????
I wonder how long before any of these parents happen to join Compassionate Friends chat????
He's deluded. Reality doesn't support his delusion:
68% of US murders in 2010 were from firearms and 13% were from knives.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
If knives were effective, law enforcement could save a lot of money by switching to knifes. They aren't.
You rely on weak ad-hominem arguments, I counter with crime statistics:
From here: http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
I don't know where do you get your data from but Slovakia is not on nr.7. Estonia is pretty high but most countries closer to Russia have higher gun access. US is 17th (gun related deaths overal they are 11th) and there are only 2 countries from Europe with higher gun homicides - Norther Ireland and Estonia - both high gun number places. Your point?
Also you must have been reading the chart upside down and since Switzerland has one of the lower murder rates in the world (per capita). You problably also mistaken Slovenia for Slovakia since it is 5-7th SAFEST according to different surveys while Slovakia is middle of the pack.
btw. Murders will be more common with higher population density/concentration - so Europe should be higher than US, it isn't.
Since logic is so hard to understand maybe some colors will help you
State by state it is still worse.
That's how the law works buddy. I love the libertarian mind. Mandatory bike helmets and seat belts are also infringing on your rights, same for those evil vaccines.
Also yes if some people can't obey the law and it is dangerous there needs to be strict regulation. I don't see you complaining about not being able to own a silencer or build a bomb? It's not like you will use it for bad things so it should be legal because you are a special little person and the law should be tailor made for you.
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I used crime statistics same as you only I used them for the US because we are talking about the US, not the UK so again you are deluded. The title of my source is "Gun crime statistics by US state: latest data". Knives are not as effective, end of story. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
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For norbar:
I was citing statistics on murders with firearms from the following source, but keep going with the ad-hominem attacks, poisoning the well, leading and slippery slope arguments; it's really showing how strong your argument is, and it might actually make me change my mind. I guess the onus is on me, being a stupid American and all.
For syadasti:
You were comparing the statistics in the US of gun crimes vs. knife crimes. I was comparing the likelyhood of being attacked with a weapon in a nation with lax gun control vs. strict gun control.
Essentially, I was trying to support my point that criminals are going to do what they're going to do regardless of the tools they have available to them.
I was citing statistics on murders with firearms from the following source, but keep going with the ad-hominem attacks, poisoning the well, leading and slippery slope arguments; it's really showing how strong your argument is, and it might actually make me change my mind. I guess the onus is on me, being a stupid American and all.
For syadasti:
You were comparing the statistics in the US of gun crimes vs. knife crimes. I was comparing the likelyhood of being attacked with a weapon in a nation with lax gun control vs. strict gun control.
Essentially, I was trying to support my point that criminals are going to do what they're going to do regardless of the tools they have available to them.
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So when you run out of arguments you just say you are offended and other people arguments are weak? If my arguments are slippery slope than SHOW ME. Because without disproving them you can as well call them electic dragon 80000V arguments and the meaning will be the same as in None.
btw.
You were going with the date that shows most recent and really strange data? Mexico per capita ends lower than US. And you claim my arguments are weak? Wow, just Wow. How am I not to call you dense when you try so hard?
testify
you've never struggled with joint custody, i take itAs an aside, who the hell takes a 3-month old to a midnight screening of Batman?
I just got the call, an old friend of mine was there, an old friend of mine is no more......... its going to be a long ****ing day
struggle??? find a fcuking babysitter (because opening date is known months in advance) or accept that you can't always do what the fcuk you want because the responsibility of caring for a child takes precedence.
i am sadden that a life that young was needlessly lost. as for the parents...nothing but hate for you, MFers.
It's a nice excuse and an easy way out. Since you decided you will not be convinced because you treat guns like religion you instantenously claimed I do the same just because you have crappy arguments that wouldn't convince a drugged moron? With a strong argument I have no problem being convinced that more guns = good. I'm not an american, I don't come from a country with a strong pro or anti gun culture and to be honest I don't really care about guns. It's fun to go to the range sometimes. I have no stake in the whole gun thing. I just like to feel safe.
CNN reported that a 3-month old was among the injured...not that this is significantly any better.