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So,now I'm seriously thinking 29r.

profro

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Sweet Enduro! OT - what did you have to do to make that shock work? How do you like it?
Fortunately I have some very good friends at Cane Creek. I am doing some testing for them.

So far I can't tell much difference from my coil CCDB, if any at all.
 

marshalolson

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different size wheels are just silly IMO.

+you can't steal a wheel from one bike to the other if you need a spare in a pinch
+you can't stick a DH tire on the rear of the trail bike if you are looking to pin some pedal access ultra rockiness
+as of this minutes there is a lack of decent tires for both sizes, the best you can get is a 29'er ardent/hans dampf or a 27.5 racing ralph. yuck. at least you could run a happy medium or cross mark 2.25 if you live in the dry on a 29'er.
+other wheel sizes = no DHF, no BBG, no HR2, no MM, no Butcher, etc...

just some food for thought.
 
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mattmatt86

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different size wheels are just silly IMO.

+you can't steal a wheel from one bike to the other if you need a spare in a pinch
+you can't stick a DH tire on the rear of the trail bike if you are looking to pin some pedal access ultra rockiness
+as of this minutes there is a lack of decent tires for both sizes, the best you can get is a 29'er ardent/hans dampf or a 27.5 racing ralph. yuck. at least you could run a happy medium or cross mark 2.25 if you live in the dry on a 29'er.
+other wheel sizes = no DHF, no BBG, no HR2, no MM, no Butcher, etc...

just some food for thought.
not this again....The 29er hate thing is played out. We get it, some people don't like 29ers. I used to think the 29er people were annoying but I think the anti 29er people are even moar annoying. We're all here to ride bikes, have fun and geek out over new bikes and products, whatever size they might be.
 

marshalolson

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no hate. i didn't call 29'er riders all a bunch of leg shaving d-bag road biker pansies.

i just said there are things to consider that plenty of folks don't realize or think about when all they read is fluff about how incredible 29ers are.
 

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not this again....The 29er hate thing is played out. We get it, some people don't like 29ers. I used to think the 29er people were annoying but I think the anti 29er people are even moar annoying. We're all here to ride bikes, have fun and geek out over new bikes and products, whatever size they might be.
seriously. So many of the arguments in this thread are hashed out and useless. I tried it but decided 29ers aren't for me. I'd love to try that Devinci, but I can't afford it. Even the tire argument is tired- most of the same tires that anybody would actually want to ride on a 26 are available in 29. 650b is still the ugly duckling but the neo motos are really good. If you need double ply super sticky tires, you probably shouldn't be on a 29er anyways. For most people, Schwalbe's nobby nics are good, neverrolls are good, or many others.
 

SylentK

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I just got an aluminum 26'er and you know what? I love it! It happens to be a 2012 5Spot, but that doesn't matter. I think the psychology is the same as it has always been, new $hit is awesome. I could care less about your penny farther w/ flexy wheels and how it rolls over mountains with a single pedal stroke. It's still on two wheels, and requires pedalling, and if you're good, you'll figure out how to turn, jump and pump the thing. It's all good. I'll still talk $hit about your bike. Why? Cuz no matter what brand or type, it's not as good as mine ;-)

I fully expect you to talk $hit back, too. That's what bros are for. It's more fun that way.

As someone more wiser than myself said: Eff em if they can't take a joke...
 
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OBB

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different size wheels are just silly IMO.

+you can't steal a wheel from one bike to the other if you need a spare in a pinch
+you can't stick a DH tire on the rear of the trail bike if you are looking to pin some pedal access ultra rockiness
+as of this minutes there is a lack of decent tires for both sizes, the best you can get is a 29'er ardent/hans dampf or a 27.5 racing ralph. yuck. at least you could run a happy medium or cross mark 2.25 if you live in the dry on a 29'er.
+other wheel sizes = no DHF, no BBG, no HR2, no MM, no Butcher, etc...

just some food for thought.
Pretty much every tire except for the Minion is available in 29" sizes. Even the Butcher. Your argument is invalid.
 

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do people really ride DH casings on their trailbikes? I mean, lots of people are switching to the 1.5ply exo casings to save weight on their downhill bikes(they apparently don't get pinchflats). Would you really want to lug a double ply tire up for a little extra protection down?
 

profro

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I have one do-it-all bike and, when I shuttle, I run DH casing. Where I shuttle, we have rocks that will flat non DH casing tires lick-a-de split.
 

Sandwich

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Oh yeah...for a do-it-all bike, especially one that sees shuttles, I'd have a hard time picking a bigwheel bike. I thought we were talking about a trailbike, like one that you pedal up first.
 

marshalolson

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Pretty much every tire except for the Minion is available in 29" sizes. Even the Butcher. Your argument is invalid.
provide links to 29'er butcher, 29'er muddy mary, 29'er HR2, 29'er BBG.

i am certainly not seeing them as in-stock at any distributor in the US, nor on the companies websites.
 
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marshalolson

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do people really ride DH casings on their trailbikes? I mean, lots of people are switching to the 1.5ply exo casings to save weight on their downhill bikes(they apparently don't get pinchflats). Would you really want to lug a double ply tire up for a little extra protection down?
how many dh riders do you think ride exo's front and rear on their downhill bike? 2%? less?

i personally ride EXO style casing on my trail bike full-time for xc riding, and put DH rubber on the rear when the trail so requires (i.e. rocky fast full-DH descent, but pedal access). lots of high-alpine rides out there...
 
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jon-boy

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You can tell by some of these post who actually has spent some time on a good trail oriented 29er and who hasn't. You nailed it with this. I can turn my stumpy evo 29 easier than a 26. It just takes a small adjustment to riding style. I actually find it much more fun cornering on a 29. No fighting required Cliffy.

The only downside I have found with a 29 is that it's not as loose in the air. But it is stable.

Tires are also not an issue anymore. I think Specialized is even selling a Butcher now.

This is coming from an anti-29 guy until about 9 months ago.
Yeah, maybe I didn't explain it well.. I'm not fighting the bike, the bike actually corners really well, it just took a tweak of technique to get to that point. Anyway horses for courses... I like what I'm riding right now.
 

landcruiser

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provide links to 29'er butcher...

i am certainly not seeing them as in-stock at any distributor in the US, nor on the companies websites.
Butcher 29x2.3 was only just introduced to our dealers at our launch a couple weeks ago (along with our updated Purgatory 29x2.3 and Ground Control 29x2.3). None of that new 2013 product is on our site yet, but should be available for the shops to order very soon.
 

Pslide

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Awesome...29x2.3 Butcher..gonna raise the bar!

Although I wonder if 26" tire design necessarily carries over to 29". We all know you have to lean a 29er more in the corners, so does that mean a rounder profile will be better? Intermediate blocks more necessary?

I like my Ardent 29x2.4s, but I've never compared them to anything else, so I can't really say what I'm missing...
 

landcruiser

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Awesome...29x2.3 Butcher..gonna raise the bar!

Although I wonder if 26" tire design necessarily carries over to 29". We all know you have to lean a 29er more in the corners, so does that mean a rounder profile will be better? Intermediate blocks more necessary?
We haven't yet found a compelling reason to change the tire designs between 26 and 29er (expect for minor changes in pitch (circumferential spacing). Obviously there's those in this thread that have figured out that you can really lean the bikes over, but more commonly we find that riders tend to stay more upright on their 29ers (especially beginners and xc riders). We used to assume that the latter riders would need more intermediate knobs and less cornering knobs, but testing hasn't always been consistent.

More often than not, we find that the 26" designs translate just fine to 29". If you like the butcher on your 26, you'll like it on your 29. Same goes for Ground Controls, Fast Traks, etc. It's more a matter of how you as an individual ride, not how your bike rides.