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Which new brake?: X0/XX, XTR race/trail, RO/The Ones, other?

mattmatt86

Turbo Monkey
Feb 9, 2005
5,347
10
Bleedmore, Murderland
I had 2 pairs of Ones, the first gen and second gen and I didn't think brakes could get any better but the RO's I currently have are phenomenal. Not a single problem, and certainly no noise as others described. I had a pair of Saints on a bike for a short time but I always felt like they were either on or off, no in between. I've been running Formulas since 2007 and don't see myself switching to anything else until I have a reason to. I am curious to try the new Saints though...
 

Bajaguy

Chimp
Nov 10, 2011
7
0
Foothill Ranch
I had Saint 810's on my trail bike and DH bike. I picked up a set of XTR trails to replace the Saints on my trail bike and I was blown away with how much better they were than the Saints. Tons of power and great modulation. The 810's always felt on/off like others said but with lots of power. I sold the 810's on my DH bike too and picked up the new XT's. Same power and modulation as XTR's but heavier. The lever's aren't as nice either but i didnt care since they were going on a DH bike. They have plenty of power even on a DH bike. If the XT and XTR are this good I'm curious to see how good the new Saints are.
 
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gnarbar

Monkey
Oct 22, 2011
136
3
got my second set of ROs yesterday for the trail bike - it is the polished version - looks phenomenal in real!
wow I'm surprised you put them on a trail bike. was thinking of some R1's or RX's for my all-mountain bike, as I thought Ones or RO's would be overkill.
 

shirk007

Monkey
Apr 14, 2009
499
354
SLX m666

Shimano gave them the 666 number because they rule. Same weight as XT, same power as XT/XTR, and less price. What is not to love.
 

poekie

Chimp
Mar 21, 2009
59
0
SLX m666

Shimano gave them the 666 number because they rule. Same weight as XT, same power as XT/XTR, and less price. What is not to love.
I have the XT's on my big bike and an SLX on my jump bike, must say I do miss the free stroke adjustment although filling them a bit more should do the trick too.
 

sbabuser

Turbo Monkey
Dec 22, 2004
1,114
55
Golden, CO
Maybe I'm not as picky as most of RM for brakes (I must not be b/c I only just upgraded from Juicies), but I'm happy with my '12 Elixir 9's so far. I've ridden older XT/ Saints, M810's, Formula Oro's and Ones, various 4 pot Hopes, amongst others, and don't have brake envy. Could also be that I'm cheap - got the 9's for $180, and then found a set of 7 sl's for $160, both nearly new (no rotors/ hardware, tho). And as far as weight goes, the 9's are a little lighter than XT trails.
 

Santa Maria

Monkey
Aug 29, 2007
653
0
Austria
wow I'm surprised you put them on a trail bike. was thinking of some R1's or RX's for my all-mountain bike, as I thought Ones or RO's would be overkill.
Got a really good price (in fact less than for a R1 or The One). Will run it with 180 rotor front and 160 back, should have a good weight ratio too!
 

mtg

Green with Envy
Sep 21, 2009
1,862
1,604
Denver, CO
Maybe I'm not as picky as most of RM for brakes (I must not be b/c I only just upgraded from Juicies), but I'm happy with my '12 Elixir 9's so far. I've ridden older XT/ Saints, M810's, Formula Oro's and Ones, various 4 pot Hopes, amongst others, and don't have brake envy. Could also be that I'm cheap - got the 9's for $180, and then found a set of 7 sl's for $160, both nearly new (no rotors/ hardware, tho). And as far as weight goes, the 9's are a little lighter than XT trails.
I had the same stance for awhile; happily running Avid brakes while others were bitching. But, it seems that over time is where the Avids fall short. After awhile of use, it seems like I just cannot remove all of the air from Avid brakes, no matter how I bleed them (and that's consistent experience with multiple bikes that have been running Avids for a few years). When they're new-ish, they work awesome....but....I got tired of trying to remove air bubbles constantly. That was why I started trying different stuff.
 

banrider

Monkey
Nov 24, 2004
304
12
I have had the same experience with Avid, having 3 bikes, all of them with CR Elixir`s and now they seem to be starting to fail all of them at the same time with the same problem you are describing, I think the problem with these brakes it's the material of the master cilinder which degrades with the passing of the time leading to have to bleed them constantly....
I bought a set of Elixir X.0 to replace the first set of CR Elixir which failed first, I hope Avid addressed this problem with the newer gen of brakes they are doing, but in any case, the second set I'm buying is Shimano XT....
I had the same stance for awhile; happily running Avid brakes while others were bitching. But, it seems that over time is where the Avids fall short. After awhile of use, it seems like I just cannot remove all of the air from Avid brakes, no matter how I bleed them (and that's consistent experience with multiple bikes that have been running Avids for a few years). When they're new-ish, they work awesome....but....I got tired of trying to remove air bubbles constantly. That was why I started trying different stuff.
 

buildyourown

Turbo Monkey
Feb 9, 2004
4,832
0
South Seattle
I've got over a year on my XTRs and I just got a set of new Saints before last weekend. Overall, I'm very impressed. I've always been brand loyal with brakes just to make spares easier to stock. I've been all Avid since '05 so I was being pretty picky before I jumped.
The new Saints have great power and I had way less hand pump than before. Coming off Codes. I was a bit let down on the finish, and some of the construction is noticeably cheaper when comparing them to XTR. This is only a criticism since they actually cost quite a bit more than XTR.
The XTRs have been solid and would be a good choice for DH if you can give up some of the raw power.
The short levers feel weird in the parking lot with the falling rate pivot point, but on the trail, they are the best I've ever felt.
 

sbabuser

Turbo Monkey
Dec 22, 2004
1,114
55
Golden, CO
After awhile of use, it seems like I just cannot remove all of the air from Avid brakes, no matter how I bleed them (and that's consistent experience with multiple bikes that have been running Avids for a few years). When they're new-ish, they work awesome....but....I got tired of trying to remove air bubbles constantly. That was why I started trying different stuff.
I never had any bleed issues w/ my Juicies, and stayed away from Elixirs until this year. Supposedly they're using different rubber compound in the master cylinder, and the bleed ports now are designed to trap air there instead of letting it back into the lines. I guess time will tell, but so far, so good.
 
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Tmeyer

Monkey
Mar 26, 2005
585
1
SLC
I've got over a year on my XTRs and I just got a set of new Saints before last weekend. Overall, I'm very impressed. I've always been brand loyal with brakes just to make spares easier to stock. I've been all Avid since '05 so I was being pretty picky before I jumped.
The new Saints have great power and I had way less hand pump than before. Coming off Codes. I was a bit let down on the finish, and some of the construction is noticeably cheaper when comparing them to XTR. This is only a criticism since they actually cost quite a bit more than XTR.
The XTRs have been solid and would be a good choice for DH if you can give up some of the raw power.
The short levers feel weird in the parking lot with the falling rate pivot point, but on the trail, they are the best I've ever felt.
Same. Rode XTR's for a year on the trail bike and have been super impressed. Had them on the DH but just replaced with new Saint. Def a distinct difference in immediate power going to the Saints and nice to not have to think quite as hard when grabbing the brakes.

Shimano FTW.