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Why Vaccines are Good

syadasti

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Apr 15, 2002
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But vaccines give children autism/Aspergers/down syndrome! Think of the children!
Viruses used to give children grave illness, short lifespans, and death. There is no scientific link between autism and vaccines.

Canned tuna fish gives children more mercury than old vaccines and its a different form which remains in the body longer than the type in some traditional vaccinations. Plus canned food exposed you to far more BPA than plastic water bottles. Where are the people running around with their heads cut off about tunafish sandwiches and canned food?
 
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syadasti

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haven't had a shot since grade school.....
How many people are getting vaccinations regularly other than flu (or health workers or world travelers) after childhood? Shingles vaccines etc are only recent developments for older adults. There are special needs vaccines like Lymes (actually discontinued due to low demand) or rabies (expensive, only necessary if you work with animals etc).

Children and the elderly are the most vulnerable and relevant for risks like disease, poisonous animals, etc...
 
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Da Peach

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Jul 2, 2002
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no argument here...

My bloodstream is teEming with goodies these days.

Headed home to top up the ol Twinrix in a few days.

Got my flu shot too.
 
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4130biker

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I guess it's the whole "those who don't learn from history" thing... When did these affluent pricks decide that they know more than those who have dedicated their lives to improving the human condition?

So so frustrating/ sad/ infuriating!
 

pinkshirtphotos

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Jul 5, 2006
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Okay if you are unvaccinated those kids who go to school with general population aren't a threat when the rest are imune. PS poked with Novocain is mah faAAVORITE! I swallow it all if i can.
 

BikeMike

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On a related topic, this is worth reading: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2013/02/curing_chemophobia_don_t_buy_the_alternative_medicine_in_the_boy_with_a.html

I'm for improving science education not because there is an urgent need for more scientists (not really enough jobs to go around as it is), but so that more people learn to think critically and as a result are hopefully somewhat more resistant to getting swindle-shanked by snake oil salesmen and slick marketing jibber-jabber.
 

Sandwich

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May 23, 2002
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I love that he refers to unvaccinated as "freeloaders" to immediately give them a negative stigma.

Then, he double the speed of the reaction in the "freeloaders" scenario. When sped up to a similar speed, the "herd immunity" animation would still show infection, if it didn't stop conveniently.

Yes, I do think vaccines are good, and I don't think people should not get vaccinated but I find the fear mongering on either side to be pretty funny. If your kid isn't vaccinated, he or she dies. Should have had her vaccinated.
 

syadasti

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Apr 15, 2002
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Free riding is a technical term used in economics and does fit a vaccination scenario, so I don't see the problem. No two diseases and vaccines have the same parameters but you can model them with formulas. They are all simulations and time compression makes sense for people with limited attention spans or to make a phenomena easier to visually discern.

Also he actually treated the problem with a less negative light as more complex models would also show mortality which varies with the scenario. Free riding also means more death, especially if you are riding a Cannondale.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/06/09/the-ethics-of-vaccine-refusal-vaccine-re/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem

People are very poor judges of risk too. The transportation they take to carry on with their everyday lives is far more risky than vaccinations - defects, flaws, and accidents are a far common occurrence driving, riding, etc just to get to a destination.

If you are worried about vaccination risk then you should "live" in a bubble - vaccination is a public health policy choice, not a personal one. Live in a society or stay in your bubble - you don't have the right to make people sick and/or die.
 
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Jim Mac

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Free riding is a technical term used in economics and does fit a vaccination scenario, so I don't see the problem. No two diseases and vaccines have the same parameters but you can model them with formulas. They are all simulations and time compression makes sense for people with limited attention spans or to make a phenomena easier to visually discern.

Also he actually treated the problem with a less negative light as more complex models would also show mortality which varies with the scenario. Free riding also means more death, especially if you are riding a Cannondale.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/06/09/the-ethics-of-vaccine-refusal-vaccine-re/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem

People are very poor judges of risk too. The transportation they take to carry on with their everyday lives is far more risky than vaccinations - defects, flaws, and accidents are a far common occurrence driving, riding, etc just to get to a destination.

If you are worried about vaccination risk then you should "live" in a bubble - vaccination is a public health policy choice, not a personal one. Live in a society or stay in your bubble - you don't have the right to make people sick and/or die.
This. Free riding is one of the 'seven deadly sins' of game theory, typically used in economic evaluations, etc.