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jonKranked

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Yeah, that's the line that a lot of people seem to be repeating, but it doesn't make sense to me. I don't want to sit here and get into an argument over stupid stuff, but the reason people are getting hung up (as you say) is that if indeed you were looking to replace a 9mm qr w/ a through axle qr type thing, there's no real reason to not use the existing 20mm standard. If given a choice, particularly among the dh/50mm stem crowd, people would just opt for 20mm and enjoy the peace of mind and compatibility rather than a new standard to save 30g and create some new thing to think about. Instead a new tweener size was created that looks a lot like a new way to make the new stuff incompatible with your existing.

The one saving grace is that it's relatively easy to go between 15mm and 20mm for many newer hubs where it's a matter of changing axles or endcaps.

Also, I don't know what this proves, but you can get a Revelation with a QR in 2013. Not quite dead yet:
http://www.sram.com/rockshox/products/revelation-rct3
this isn't who its really intended for. Its more for the xc weight weenies still using 9mmqr that think 20mm is overkill / too heavy.

I agree the whole notion is a bunch of nonsense, but whatever.

also:

thru axle = no lawyer tabs
 
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Mine is on order already. Watch for it at MCBP. Super exceited for this and the new Maxxis 29er DH tires for my PBJ.
RS will have a 160mm 29er fork out soon for people including me that like the 20mm
 
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Dogboy

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RS will have a 160mm 29er fork out soon for people including me that like the 20mm
So the axle to crown will likely be 570-575mm. I could barely get the front end low enough on a 29'r with a 530mm A to C. Not a problem for you sasquatch guys, but an issue for normal sized folks.
 

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this isn't who its really intended for. Its more for the xc weight weenies still using 9mmqr that think 20mm is overkill / too heavy.

I agree the whole notion is a bunch of nonsense, but whatever.

also:

thru axle = no lawyer tabs
Yeah, figures. I wonder what the xc weenies are doing with a 150mm fork. Oh, to do do drops & stuff.
Longest fork I've owned to date is a boxxer 155 :D
 

frango

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Is this a 2013 model? or 2014 very early introduction??
They are late, IMO. Should have made 27,5, already.
Even though, it looks really nice.
 

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Specialized refused 650b calling it a trend. I can see why now, though. If you have a bike with chain stays that short, there's little need for 650b.
 

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As a Prime owner, I've also been wondering how similar the two bikes are. The wheelbase actually seems very similar between the two (1184mm L Prime, 1183mm L Enduro). BB height is also similar. So, imho, these are the 'pros' for each bike (again, just my opinion):

Enduro:
- More travel (10mm more up front, 20mm more in the rear)
- Shorter chainstays (18mm or 0.7" shorter)
- Crabon front triangle (for you weight weenies out there)

Prime:
- Adjustable geometry (I really prefer the steep setting for more XC rides. Front end wanders a bit on steep climbing in the slack setting, which is very similar to the Enduro's geometry)
- Ability to run a 150mm rear hub (better bracing angle for the large hoops)
- Threaded BB (I've been through many press-fit BB bearings- not a fan)
- It's not a Specialized ;-)

The Enduro does look like a killer bike, though.
Thanks! Super good way to put both bikes into perspective. Still wondering how they squeezed such a short chainstay without *ucking up the geo and still keeping the wagon wheels
 

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So the axle to crown will likely be 570-575mm. I could barely get the front end low enough on a 29'r with a 530mm A to C. Not a problem for you sasquatch guys, but an issue for normal sized folks.
WORD!!!!! I cannot imagine how tall a 29er with a 160mm fork feels unless you run like what.....60% sag? ha! or if you make a 1" tall headtube ;)
 
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FlipFantasia

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Specialized refused 650b calling it a trend. I can see why now, though. If you have a bike with chain stays that short, there's little need for 650b.
disagree, while I get why people like the larger wheel size, I dislike it for a lot of the same reasons, mostly I find its just pedal fast and roll over things instead of finesse and technique, yes, personal preference, that's alright but there is a large segment of the riding public that just aren't that into 29ers.
 
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disagree, while I get why people like the larger wheel size, I dislike it for a lot of the same reasons, mostly I find its just pedal fast and roll over things instead of finesse and technique, yes, personal preference, that's alright but there is a large segment of the riding public that just aren't that into 29ers.
true, but then why 650b? In my opinion, 650b is the answer to the question of why 29ers handle like balls. If you can get a 29er that doesn't handle like a truck, then it's a lot easier to make a choice of 29 or 26. If you're one of those riders that "needs" finesse, and can't find any enjoyment out of a bike that rolls a little better, than you're probably not going to gravitate towards 650b either. I view 650b as 29ers for people who don't like bikes that handle like ****.
 
I think its region based on terrain and style. I would think folks in BC and PNW are 29r shy but folks in the front range and east coasters are more 29r friendly.

This an iteration at the long travel 29r trail which i think there is a demand for. Game changer is a term thrown around alot, but i think spec has done a pretty good job at addressing the geo and wheelbase issues.

If only their kinematics were more ideal. I find fsr to be not efficient pedalling unless propedal is turned on and can be wallowy at mid stroke. Maybe ccdb will fix that.
 
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jonKranked

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I think its region based on terrain and style. I would think folks in BC and PNW are 29r shy but folks in the front range and east coasters are more 29r friendly.

This an iteration at the long travel 29r trail which i think there is a demand for. Game changer is a term thrown around alot, but i think spec has done a pretty good job at addressing the geo and wheelbase issues.

If only their kinematics were more ideal. I find fsr to not efficient pedalling unless propedal is turned on and can be wallowy at mid stroke. Maybe ccdb will fix that.
or its just marketing based bs
 

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true, but then why 650b? In my opinion, 650b is the answer to the question of why 29ers handle like balls. If you can get a 29er that doesn't handle like a truck, then it's a lot easier to make a choice of 29 or 26. If you're one of those riders that "needs" finesse, and can't find any enjoyment out of a bike that rolls a little better, than you're probably not going to gravitate towards 650b either. I view 650b as 29ers for people who don't like bikes that handle like ****.
or for those of us who are height challenged but still want to realize some of the benefits of larger wheels without having to worry about toe overlap. I've never ridden a 29'er, would really like to ride a 650b, though. although, with the high volume Butcher tires i have currently, i'm not sure how much 650b tires would add to rolling over things.
 

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although, with the high volume Butcher tires i have currently, i'm not sure how much 650b tires would add to rolling over things.
The other day I met up with a buddy on the trail who had a new 650b bike with normal 2.2 tires. I had a high volume front tire on my bike and our front wheels were the exact same size. I will admit though that that tire does motor over things better than a smaller tire and its rather obvious.
 

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Feels like a DH bike with the seat up high. Definitely a shock coming right off a 26-inch bike, but you get used to it quick.
Your CG is still going to be less advantageous. People looking for low bikes or bikes with lower CGs - 29ers would be for people desiring high CG as your body plays a much bigger role. That isn't desirable - physics always win over marketing.
 
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or its just marketing based bs
I think the bike is both, marketing nonsense as well as regional based.

In Arizona, the 29 Sworks Enduro would be a dream bike. It would carry speed over a lot of the rock bits that may stall a 26" and most trails being flattish and open, the rider would haul ass.

Whereas in the PNW, Seattle specifically, the trails are a lot tighter, steeper, and awkward (albeit wayyyy sicker than your trails), personally making the bike more of a burden than a benefit.

Regarding the marketing BS, I felt like RetardBrad and "The American Dream" were told to play to the arguments a lot of non-believers make - cornering, jumping, snappy, acceleration, blah, blah, blah. Lear on his Prime prototype already showed us any good rider can kill it on a 29er:
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But I know his dick is dialed anyways. Lear gettin' steezed-out on a 29er doesn't motivate me to go spend $8000 any more than Harry Main doing a flair drop-in on a $700 20".
 
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The other day I met up with a buddy on the trail who had a new 650b bike with normal 2.2 tires. I had a high volume front tire on my bike and our front wheels were the exact same size. I will admit though that that tire does motor over things better than a smaller tire and its rather obvious.
Ok, I have a problem with this argument. If you have the same erd with a 2.2 tire, what happens when you put the high volume tire on the 650b?
 

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Geometry: http://www.specialized.com/fr/fr/bikes/mountain/endurofsr/enduro-comp-29#geometry

45.6" WB in a medium. Not so sure its going to be great for tight technical trails though its basically the same as the 26" version.

Same chainstay length as Devinci's 29er trail bike, 430mm:

http://www.devinci.com/bikes/bike_319_scategory_81
Maybe not great for technical trail section but nice a stable when going fast. I personally like more stability on the bike when it goes fast.
 

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or for those of us who are height challenged but still want to realize some of the benefits of larger wheels without having to worry about toe overlap. I've never ridden a 29'er, would really like to ride a 650b, though. although, with the high volume Butcher tires i have currently, i'm not sure how much 650b tires would add to rolling over things.
I forgot about the height issue. I just had a discussion about that elsewhere. It's still my opinion that 29ers are stupid for short folks, but some short folks are going to want better rollover too. 650b is perfect for that. I also don't think most manufacturers will be able to match specialized's short rear end, and will therefore continue to make the move to 650b. Specialized is fighting a losing battle here, as I'm willing to bet most of "the industry" is moving towards 650b, and 29" will all but be abandoned for hardcore use in a few years. I'd love one of these bikes, but if spec are the only people making aggressive 29ers, it doesn't matter.

Technology.
but what about the flickability?!1
 

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Ok, I have a problem with this argument. If you have the same erd with a 2.2 tire, what happens when you put the high volume tire on the 650b?
Its not an argument. Just a fact. I don't care what size wheels other people run. I have some big and tall fast friends that crush souls on 29ers. But to answer your question, you would have a bigger around wheel and tire. And I guess you could call it technology, or you could call it a bunch of money leaving your pocket because you need a new frame, fork, wheels and tires to make it happen. But I guess if you are buying all that stuff anyway and you are convinced that this size is the "just right" Goldilocks size for you, then have at it. Make it rain in your LBS. They need it, road bike sales are down for some reason........;)
 

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Haha. I'll just put 'er in 120mm mode for now ;)
choose your fork wisely...the current Enduro 29er Comp comes with a float, so you don't have that option.

Just making the point that unless you are riding a 100/120mm wagon wheeler - you probably wouldn't want to ride a fix travel fork. IMO Being able to drop the front end on long climbs make a huge difference on those bikes.
 

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I want one
its overkill but still want
I think I will suffer without it though just to get my stumpy 29er to the mountains
I dont want all my memories just to be being a fred
in the end its all about the destination and not the ride
let her rip
 
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They have the internal chainstay routing on the Stumpjumper but I guess they didn't make any changes from the 26 Enduro - its still external. It has more circuitous path than Giant's

Stumpjumper has it:

Yeah and it binds like a bitch too, plus I ripped my brake cable on my EVO stumpy c, great bikes let down terribly by cable routing, puts me off ever owning a Specialised ever again, why they havent learnt from the Demo 8s cable routing to me is unforgiveable on the price they ask for these bikes.
 

vikingboy

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Fixed on my SXT and '12 Enduro. Its no biggie really but agree, would prefer to see a nicer routing as standard.


 

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Having spent the last 18 months on a Norco Shinobi (140mm front/120mm rear) I think you'd have to live somewhere pretty special to take advantage of this bike. The Norco is about the upper limit of what I'm comfy pedalling around, and if I need more bike I need my DH rig.
For me the 29er duallie is happy at a higher average speed than a similar 26er. Similar to the way a dh is bike is only really happy when its going say above 15mph, my old 26 inch trailbikes were happy above 10 mph, with old school xc bikes being happy at walking speed or above. The Norco is probably closer to a dh bike in the speeds it needs to carry to feel "alive". Adding more travel would only push it closer to the speeds I like to ride my dh bike. Could I find a 2hr trail ride with trails like that near me? Nope, but good luck if you live somewhere that you can!
 

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Having spent the last 18 months on a Norco Shinobi (140mm front/120mm rear) I think you'd have to live somewhere pretty special to take advantage of this bike. The Norco is about the upper limit of what I'm comfy pedalling around, and if I need more bike I need my DH rig.
For me the 29er duallie is happy at a higher average speed than a similar 26er. Similar to the way a dh is bike is only really happy when its going say above 15mph, my old 26 inch trailbikes were happy above 10 mph, with old school xc bikes being happy at walking speed or above. The Norco is probably closer to a dh bike in the speeds it needs to carry to feel "alive". Adding more travel would only push it closer to the speeds I like to ride my dh bike. Could I find a 2hr trail ride with trails like that near me? Nope, but good luck if you live somewhere that you can!
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