Dude, don't post pics of MK Ultra without any connecting context!
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Yeah, uhh, was thinking moar about teh awesome band rather than what they were named after...was once stalked by their bass player.
In one of our previous post, which I linked above, I wrote this:
Now I do look for truth on both sides and have not found how the crime is recorded differently. The UK records "affrays" or all fights. I looked at the FBI stat page and found the defininition, which includes aggravated assault. I believe aggravated assault can be minor, like an affray. So Dante or anyone else, I would like to see the source that says the FBI does not include this in violent crimes. My source and definition is below:
Definition
In the FBIs Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr.../violent-crime
To make it simpler, you can see the actual FBI verbage taht "Violent crimes are defined in the UCR PRogram as those offenses which involve force or THREAT OF FORCE." Nowwhere in there does it say a person has to be injured. If i punch someone and there is a witness or cop, I get charged w/aggravated assault. How is that different that Britain? (anit-gun people use the word affray). I don't get this sh1t from the NRA, I look it up to see what side is distorting/manipulating/lying more. I didn't read the entire canada paper because, well, it's canada. But even if there is a statement in there saying injury-oriented crimes are only reported, how can that go against the actual gov't webside providing the statistic. Seems like the author of the article took some creative authority with definition or there is another definition out there on an official gov't source that i don't know about. To make it simpler, find me respectable source that counters the actual statistic source definition.
That link didn't work, but the original does on page 58 and hopefully this one will:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime
I must be getting old b/c this vid seems to violent to me, but it is totally approprate for this thread.
Biting Elbows - 'Bad Motherfucker' (Insane Office Escape 2) on Vimeo
Biting Elbows - 'Bad Motherfucker' (Insane Office Escape 2) on Vimeo
victim in sexual assault? no problem protecting identity
victim in home invasion? toooootally different
stay classy AP & FN
Yeah it shows a fantasy world. We live in the real world. Seek mental help.
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How about actually reading the link you sent that instead of just going on truthiness?FBI Definition of Aggravated Assault said:
(does this link work for you?)
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/aggravatedassaultmain
That's the MINIMUM that's reported for the FBI Violent Crime statistics. If there is no serious injury caused, or a threat of serious injury, then it's not reported.
Compare that to England's specific definition:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb1210/hosb1210?view=Binary
So the minimum requirement for FBI statistics include "severe or aggravated bodily injury", while the minimum requirement for England includes "pushing and shoving".
FFS, are you really not getting this, or are you just trolling?
Guess he should've listened to SPINTECK and had a gun in the house.....
He could've fought off that shooter (a pesky neighybor?), Rambo-style.
He could've fought off that shooter (a pesky neighybor?), Rambo-style.
Troll in this THINKTANK, what are you kidding me? Okay, maybe Sadistri a little, but can you blame me, he does come accross as a selfrighteous cyber bully. He should drop that jersey shrink he keeps reccomending to me, buy a gun and shoot at a range!!
So you really think prosecuters don't use "threat of" to charge/record violence in the US? The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but again, it's like religion. People are going to take definitions and stats and skew them the way they want. Like I could stick to "my guns" , so to speak and say back to Sadistri, "If more guns don't make you safer, then why have all gun violence been decreasing the last 5 years while fire arm sales have gone through the roof." Both are true.
Now dante, if anything this is one of the few cases where someone should have a gun. If you precide over the prison system you obviously will have many enemies.
Own what you said, do mean to say the director of a prison system in this country should not own a gun?? I get the argument about untrained citizens, but a prison director shouldn't have one either?
Own what you said, do mean to say the director of a prison system in this country should not own a gun?? I get the argument about untrained citizens, but a prison director shouldn't have one either?
Now this is one of those gun stories that is a good emotional argument against guns. Basically guy's house alarm goes off in upstairs bedroom. Owner shoots warning shot, kid doesn't leave- owner shoots and kills. Tragic that the drunk kid snuck into his neighbor's house and not his own. If I was the owner when i was single, I would simply run and leave the house. But if someone doesn't leave after breaking into an upstairs bedroom with 3 kids and baby, I don't know what I'd do. Of course I know almost all of neighbors unlike this shooter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/caleb-gordley-killed-neighbor_n_2908442.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/caleb-gordley-killed-neighbor_n_2908442.html
Even if he had a gun, you theory would only work if he ALWAYS answered his door with the gun already drawn and the safety off.
And Paranoia like that would just result in even more murders of innocent people like Yoshihiro Hattori.
My favorite part of this story comes at $tinkle's expense. Sorry brother......
you kidding me? we close tomorrow & with the pending plummet in property value due to the statistical doubling of the homicide rate that i will immediately take to the assessor for a taxation challenge, i'll bank me some cheddar!
who knows; maybe my wife will finally let me get a shotgun.
Oh F me. Are you really that incapable of looking objectively at a certain line of argument and saying "you know what, I'm wrong"? Are you really that gullible that you're defending a position based on nothing more than "I think" and "I feel"? Why are you willing to dutifully lap up a right-wing/NRA argument that has *one* source when there are a plethora of sources that disprove it (including the official FBI and UK definitions)?
And violence decreasing the last 5 years? It's down. It's also been decreasing since 1994:
and it corresponds to both the Assault Weapons Ban, a drop in gun ownership, and a rising economic environment.
Gun ownership poll:
FFS, I wish I knew why someone like yourself could take the flimsiest, most easily disputable "proof" from some right-wing group and DEFEND IT TO THE DEATH!!!! You're desperately grasping at straws to try to find *any* reason why you weren't wrong about the US/UK violent crime rate. Is it really that implausible that you've been duped by right-wing propaganda?
That was my point. The most dangerous weapon a home-invader has is a doorbell.
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Fvcking put a slug into his head OBVIOUSLY.
Talking is just do damn difficult. Especially when you're the one with the gun in your hand. Forming those words takes effort.
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It's easy to tear apartment statements. So are you are saying the director of prison does not need a gun?? probably easier to nail my statement with a peephole or 200$ camera system for house would work? Maybe it was someone he knew and he didn't have chance. I feel confident in saying that a director of a prison complex should be able to carry a gun.
That Yoshi story is sad and there are a lot of bad gun owners out there. And I'll admit that it's easy to say this b/c no one I know directly has been impacted, so for me it's still about statistics vs amount of gun freedoms.
You can make a better point than that. How about since you brought the gun to the conflict you have to worry about it being used on yourself and your family. Now you are really twitchy to shoot first, right? It would be a tough call to be in that situation and does lend some thought to gun control. In the middle of the night, upstairs in your house there is an intruder. I know you can't relate to this, but say your 5' 6", 160 and the intruder is 6' 190. You're wife and kids are upstairs too and there is now way you're getting a baby, 4, 5 and 7 year old out quickly. Do you bet the guy doesn't have a gun? Or is just high and lost? Or is high and just wants to rob you? The possibilities are endless and it's easy to talk when you know it's just you, I was so fearless before I had kids. This guy didn't leave when confronted, but he was a drunk kid. What if the guy lunged forward, would you shoot him in the stomach or shoulder? Hopefully you and I will never know and you can continue to pontificate )
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I love how you had to edit that statment
You should try it sometime...I love how you had to edit that statEment
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Someone rep Kevin for me please!
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Done.
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Someone rep Kevin for me please!
Well Played Sir!
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horses live forever on the internet...
That horse needed a gun.......and mabye an apposable thumb!
Elephants have their own military gun squads and yet they are still threatened:
And yet...
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So the Palestinians had the right idea after all then?
Nope. Offer only valid for white children.
more accurate with rocks.So the Palestinians had the right idea after all then?
Start fight, lose badly, shoot at HS kids who are both more of a man than you are, or at least until you get your hands on god's equalizer.....
Yay 2nd amendment. Too bad it's not Florida, probably could've claimed self-defense.
Yay 2nd amendment. Too bad it's not Florida, probably could've claimed self-defense.