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best time to buy (coil) 40?

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blindboxx2334

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Well im currently building my kona operator right now and the first thing i want to get out of the way is suspension.

I was originally going to wait out for the new x fusion fork and give that a shot, i was also looking at the air40. But ive since then realized ill want my bike done by the time those come out (financially, i should be able to do it as well). So ive pretty much just settled for the coil 40, i think it will be a great fork for my first DH and pair well with the type/style of riding that i already do on my DJ (AM/single track stuff).

Well ive seen a 2012 OE online for $1k (im sure you all have too), but i was just wondering: since the air 40 is coming out soon, should i just wait it out for a little longer, skip this OE one, and hope for a sale on the aftermarket forks? To my understanding, the only diff between the two is the kash coating and the Ti spring, but i can wait a couple of xtra weeks if someone here thinks they will have a sale on the current (aftermarket) fox forks.. or do you think shops will be able to move them all at their current pricing? (btw, i will be buying this online.)

all in all, it doesnt really matter to me, as i just want to ride.. but if i can plan this out a little better and get more bang for my buck, im all for that :thumb:

thx for any help in advance!
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kickstand

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I doubt that they are going to come down much in price if that is what you are asking.

I have fox 40 on my bike and my fiance's bike. I like them very much. I'd like the new version, only because I am infected with upgraditis like everyone else.....

$1,000 for a 40 is a decent price for a brand new fork (IMO). It is how I purchased one of our 40's (from Go-ride i beleive)
 
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kickstand said:
I doubt that they are going to come down much in price if that is what you are asking.

I have fox 40 on my bike and my fiance's bike. I like them very much. I'd like the new version, only because I am infected with upgraditis like everyone else.....

$1,000 for a 40 is a decent price for a brand new fork (IMO). It is how I purchased one of our 40's (from Go-ride i beleive)
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the one im talking about is on go-ride as well. best ive seen yet for an OE 40

i think the cheapest aftermarket 40 ive seen is $1400, not bad.

mattmatt86 said:
Do it Now!
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thanks! hopefully ill get around to orderin her this weekend! :D
if not, mid next week at the latest!
 
Nick

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Check the all the bike classifieds for a nice used fork. Be patient and you'll find a good deal.
I got my '12 (kashima, ti spring, etc) with a few scratches in the lowers for around $800.
 
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blindboxx2334

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ive been checkin the classifieds, although for new forks.. i will cash out the xtra money for a new fork, but im not buying a used one. never been keen on buying used parts.. especially something like a fork.
 
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Nick said:
Check the all the bike classifieds for a nice used fork. Be patient and you'll find a good deal.
I got my '12 (kashima, ti spring, etc) with a few scratches in the lowers for around $800.
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I'm selling my '12 Kashima, with all the springs (ti included) for 800$ if anyone is interested.

-KT
 
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blindboxx2334 said:
the one im talking about is on go-ride as well. best ive seen yet for an OE 40

i think the cheapest aftermarket 40 ive seen is $1400, not bad.


thanks! hopefully ill get around to orderin her this weekend! :D
if not, mid next week at the latest!
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I'm not sure I understnad what you mean when you say OE and aftermarket.

The Fox 40 that transition sent with my bike is the same as the fox 40 I bought from go-ride. Maybe I'm not aware, but I thought they were all the same?
 
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kickstand said:
I'm not sure I understnad what you mean when you say OE and aftermarket.

The Fox 40 that transition sent with my bike is the same as the fox 40 I bought from go-ride. Maybe I'm not aware, but I thought they were all the same?
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I think he means the OE is non-kashima. Besides that I don't think there is any other difference.
 
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Did some reading around and it basically looks like an "OE" is what was used on a demo bike for a bike show or something.

Mine came with an uncut steer tube and had a blue spring inside. Which was the spring I needed anyway.

It was a non kashima, but its a 2011 model year fork, which I don't believe any were kashima that year.

my 2012 that came with my TR450 came with a purple, green and a blue spring and is a kashima fork.

Other than the kashima there is zero difference in my two forks (Well one is white the other is black...I know, thats racist). They both feel the exact same while riding.

The go-ride OE forks do appear to be non kashima. I would assume they will come with a blue or green spring just the same as my 2011 I bought from them.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy one. Springs are very cheap, definitely not $400 difference. Neither is the Kashima marketing crap.....

If you read the fine print, the 2013 aftermarket fork they have listed doesn't come with extra springs either @ $1399. So i think your just paying for the kashima.

The '12 they have with kashima that is listed for $1599 doesn't specify if it comes with extra springs.

I don't think Kashima is worth any more money except for the "bling" factor, back to back on the same frame (fiance's is a small, mines a medium) I don't notice a difference
 
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Fox introduced Kashima stanchions in 2011 and then Kashima shaft + SKF seals in 2012...The OE fork , I believe, only has the seals...There's more than just the bling factor you can see as the shaft inside also benefit from lesser friction...There's actually a noticeable difference between non and Kashima coated forks...especially with the service intervals.They both require the same maintenance but the full Kashimaed version seems to retains better small bumps and feel a bit more slippy than the the OE version when its starts to run low of lube...

I personally wouldn't wait and dont think the price will come down all that much...If you can get a fork+ price that works for you, do it... Fox isnt going to drop the price on the coil version right when they release the float and if they ever do bring the price down , it'll be a while until it happens...
 
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buy used. lightly used. you can find fairly new, very lightly used sometimes even brand new 40's on the pinkbike classifieds for under 1000. bike shop employees and sponsored riders get new ones every year and sell their previous year model cheap. and sometimes people replace OEM 40's immediately without even riding them. some people receive them as race winnings and dont need them, also selling them very cheap. it is very easy to find them in more than acceptable condition for many dollars less than a web store. assuming they have been maintained like they should, and have no scratches on the stanchions, then there should be no issue unless you enjoy spending exorbitant amounts of money to have something shiny and brand new..only to have it look just like every other used fork after a day of real riding. i never buy anything substantial "new". always buy used from a private seller. recently bought a lightly used(virtually brand new for all intensive purposes) Hadley wheelset with 823's for $350 off a guy locally. would have been over $900 buying the components from the cheapest online retailers and lacing them myself.

i would generally agree that the price will not drop anytime soon. AFAIK Fox has no intentions of dropping the coil from their line yet, only adding the air to the 40 lineup. if thats the case they probably won't loosen up on them for some time.
 
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Demand will take care of the prices. Here in europe Fox is least 30-50% pircier than the other brands except bos (internet prices, deals etc. but brand new).

So if the new air isn't exceptionally more expensive than the coil who will buy it? The guys who spend nearly 2k€ for a fork will want the air so if it's not far off the coil price will drop. Other option would be that fox rises the bar again and offers the fork around 2500€.
 
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tuumbaq said:
Fox introduced Kashima stanchions in 2011 and then Kashima shaft + SKF seals in 2012...The OE fork , I believe, only has the seals...There's more than just the bling factor you can see as the shaft inside also benefit from lesser friction...There's actually a noticeable difference between non and Kashima coated forks...especially with the service intervals.They both require the same maintenance but the full Kashimaed version seems to retains better small bumps and feel a bit more slippy than the the OE version when its starts to run low of lube...

I personally wouldn't wait and dont think the price will come down all that much...If you can get a fork+ price that works for you, do it... Fox isnt going to drop the price on the coil version right when they release the float and if they ever do bring the price down , it'll be a while until it happens...
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Maybe to ricky pro racer there's a noticeable difference, but of all the people I know who have ridden both of my forks back to back, nobody can feel a thing.
 
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csermonet said:
i would generally agree that the price will not drop anytime soon. AFAIK Fox has no intentions of dropping the coil from their line yet, only adding the air to the 40 lineup. if thats the case they probably won't loosen up on them for some time.
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PB mentioned in their article they are discontinuing the coil 40, and only keeping it for the OE bikes (thats why i started this thread)


"Fox Racing Shox has all but ditched coil springs in favor of a new air-spring system that it developed over a two-year period"..."and the heresy continued as Fox announced that only its ‘entry-level’ OEM 40 will retain the coil spring"
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/First-Ride-Air-Sprung-Fox-40-Float-RC2-Fork--The-Truth-is-Reveal.html
(1st paragraph)

tabletop84 said:
oil & bushings/seals>coating
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very good and valid point!
jonKranked said:
the best time to buy a 40 is whenever you find enough change in your car/truck
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well ive been scrounging, and i think ive got enough.. i gotta run to the bank in about half an hour, and then imma order my fork. i think ive found enough quarters. :D

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thanks for the help everyone!
 
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William42

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Kashima is a gimmick. SKF seals are not. Newer inverted damper is not. Overall fork is great, just make sure you get something with the newer seal design and inverted damper with compression on top
 
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thanks for the input. ending up ordering the 2013 OE for 1200 bones. will make sure its got the SKF seals, ive only herd good things about em!

now onto the rear shock

thanks again erryone!:D
 
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William42 said:
Kashima is a gimmick. SKF seals are not. Newer inverted damper is not. Overall fork is great, just make sure you get something with the newer seal design and inverted damper with compression on top
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for further reference, comparing a 2012 kashima fork (mine) to a 2007 40 that has been updated with the newer damper and skf seals. We both have the same settings within a click or two, and there is no discernible difference between the forks.
 
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id sure hope there isnt much of a difference! esp. if theyve got the same damper in it..

mine should be here tomorrow. i cant wait to just stare into 40's eyes all night long and reminisce about all the good times to be had :rolleyes:
 
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I wonder if they are dropping the price with the air spring version. Let's hope so. Air springs are a lot cheaper to make than the coil/steel/ti springs.
 
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gemini2k said:
I wonder if they are dropping the price with the air spring version. Let's hope so. Air springs are a lot cheaper to make than the coil/steel/ti springs.
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rofl, when has an airspring ever been cheaper then a coil at the consumer end of mtbs? People are used to paying more for an airspring. willing to be the price will either be the same, or more.
 
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gemini2k said:
I wonder if they are dropping the price with the air spring version. Let's hope so. Air springs are a lot cheaper to make than the coil/steel/ti springs.
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doubt it. i mean sure people wont be paying retail for them, but i dont see people getting killer deals when this fork first drops. (sure as hell nothing like the deals ive seen for the coil 40 within the last couple of weeks)

IMO the demand will keep the air40 near retail for atleast the first month or two. although i am no economist ;)

another thing that ive noticed is there are a decent amount of new forks comming out this summer: air40, x fusion, DVO.. so there is always that possibility of getting the air40 at a better price when they have some competition...?


i was going to wait for the air40 and the xfusion (since i really liked my velvet i had), but i just couldnt do it. i want the bike done by summer, not starting to build by summer. :D
 
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