As title i have the choice between both
2010 Bos Idylle rare or 35mm boxer race with the Avalanche cart installed
what would you go for?
2010 Bos Idylle rare or 35mm boxer race with the Avalanche cart installed
what would you go for?
Bos Idylle RaRe 2010 Or 35mm boxxer with Avalanche internals
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BOS, their stuff is awesome
Take the bos, and steer me to the avalanche boxxer please
Boxxer would be lighter but need more regular servicing. Boxxer will have more infinite tuning be more of a hassle to tune.
Both awesome forks.
Both awesome forks.
Both used? Both similar condition?
I'd say AVA Boxxer, but I have no experience with Bos. My AVA Boxxer RC has been flawless after two years. I'm looking at some of the new forks coming out just to change things up. How much is the seller asking for the Boxxer?
I'd say AVA Boxxer, but I have no experience with Bos. My AVA Boxxer RC has been flawless after two years. I'm looking at some of the new forks coming out just to change things up. How much is the seller asking for the Boxxer?
No chance that the AVA Boxxer will require more maintenance. Its an open bath damper and a spring. I replaced the oil in my damper leg once in 2 years. Oil still looked like new.
I'm not sure how good the Bos seals are. I'm guessing/hoping pretty good based on reports, but reports don't amount to as much as personal experience. As you yourself have a quite conflicting opinion on Boxxer seals to myself. I rode the Boxxer Avy set up mainly in pretty dusty conditions admittedly, and they would need a relube after a few months at best. A mates Bos lasted much longer. I'm sure the Boxxers would last longer in better conditions. However, 888s for example lasted much longer for me, and Bos for a mate. I am hoping Bos are as good as the Marzochhis, but I'm guessing they're not. Pretty sure the Bos is running more oil in the least oil leg than the Boxxer for lubrication.
Both will be awesome forks when set up right.
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Avalanche cartridge doesn't improve the need to change the seals every once in a while.
While the AVY cart side is open bath the air or coil side still needs frequent re-lubing . I have an AVY boxxer so just saying....
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how would you even do this? open only the spring side, raise the stanchion, drain the fluid, replace? otherwise you'd have to replace the gallons of oil in the avy cart every time, which is pretty often on a boxxer.
Flip bike over. Open spring side footnut. Pour in oil. Takes a couple minutes.
Inclag got it.
Just loosen crowns of spring side and you can service one leg at a time or with air, i let some out and loosen the allen foot bolt and let it drip dry and squirt in oil with syringe. I can do this now in couple of minutes. The avy cart oil i change once a year.
Gallons?
Craig's support has always been insane.
That being said, BOS now has two service centers in the US:
Commençal America
7141 Cypress Run DR
Las Vegas
NV 89131
702-677-0701
Prestige MTB
East Avenue
New Canaan
CT 06840
203-657-1401
compared to the quantity normally found in a boxxer? pretty accurate. Extra oil volume compared to mass market shocks has always been an avalanche quality, I've felt...in my two DHSes, chubie, and DHF.
That's what I'm saying about Craig. Great CS.
Compare Avy and 2010+ boxxer oil heights. Boxxer also uses quite a lot of oil.
Yeah i kinda chuckled at that one too. Last i checked 275ml or so wasn't quite a gallon or gallons..
oh my glarb it's sarcasm gang
We know. Just busting your chops a lil bit.
Well I got a nasty PM from craig about spreading false information. Seriously? Is there really anybody that thought I meant there were MULTIPLE gallons of oil inside any avalanche has ever made? Are you high? I don't even think you could fit a gallon of oil in a MTN 10 without hydrolocking the whole thing.
It's pinkbike gallonsYeah i kinda chuckled at that one too. Last i checked 275ml or so wasn't quite a gallon or gallons..
Exactly. I run a bunch of extra oil and a foam ring instead of the oil seal in my spring side leg. I replace the dust wiper about once a year when it finally starts to weep oil. I've replace the AVA side dust wiper once only because I had it apart.
if it is boxxer ava or BOS. Easily, BOS! I dont worry about service centres, I wont rely on BOS service directly but other places seem good enough!
If it was about marzocchi ava, I'd bought both and keep. 888 CR & avy is still relatively cheap.
If it was about marzocchi ava, I'd bought both and keep. 888 CR & avy is still relatively cheap.
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It's a private message you got, keep it private, don't slander someone with it publicly.
Is axle to crown height worth considering? as both will be great forks.
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i was gunna get one but than i didnt cuz u said it had gallons of oil in it, i consider my self a green mtn biker, I cant risk blowing an avalanche fork and creating an oil spill. Look what happened to the gulf...
WTF? Your fork covered me in oil! You should buy a Rock Shox instead. The last one they sold me had no oil in it at all. Think of the birds.
Slander? Really?
This don't talk about stuff on the forums stuff seems to miss the point of forums.
I like Craig, I love Avalanche; if he was goofy enough to see it the way its conveyed here, then he deserves a whole lot of ribbing and teasing.
Sheesh.
This don't talk about stuff on the forums stuff seems to miss the point of forums.
I like Craig, I love Avalanche; if he was goofy enough to see it the way its conveyed here, then he deserves a whole lot of ribbing and teasing.
Sheesh.
Aren't BOS forks crazy expensive, even used??
If that Boxxer has the Ava cart already inside, you might be looking at having to ship the cartridge and have it re-tune it. That's an added cost unless you want to tear it apart yourself and start messing with the shims. Aside from that, it's set and forget. The quality of the cartridges are pretty awesome and of course, the support is there..
If that Boxxer has the Ava cart already inside, you might be looking at having to ship the cartridge and have it re-tune it. That's an added cost unless you want to tear it apart yourself and start messing with the shims. Aside from that, it's set and forget. The quality of the cartridges are pretty awesome and of course, the support is there..
yeah yeah, Whatever man. If someone sends me a PRIVATE message, it's between me and them, I don't go talking about it, making me sound right and them wrong on a forum. Carry on. oil spills and giggle giggle. Yawn.
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You've given it far too much thought, and in the end - MYOB, no need to have anal pain on anothers behalf.
I'm sorry your butt hurts, maybe some prep-H might sooth the burn.
Or a gallon of Avy oil
Oh god, troll much? I didn't give it much thought, just a passing comment. There's nothing wrong with showin some gratitude and respect where it's due. IMO Craig at Avalanche doesn't deserve to be discredited by someone on a forum over some private words. He obviously doesn't have or want to waste time playing who's got the quickest wit on forums and is not in a position to open himself up to be shot down by semantics on here. I was just saying what I thought should be said. I wanna mind my own business, that's my point. Others business shouldn't be shared on a forum
hasn't the butt hurt gag been played out yet? Boring.
Avy cart, quality craftsmanship, massive range of adjustment. Interchangeable to another chassis.
Boxxer Chassis, basic craftsmanship,quality, finnish.
Bos, basic but proven design, decent craftsmanship, quality and finnish. Arguably less service intervals than Boxxer spring leg.
Bos heavier.
They have the same external adjustments low speed rebound and comp don't they? Or does the Bos have external high speed comp too?
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You're the forum nanny then?
If Craig said what is claimed above, he deserves a ribbing, I'll call him and repeat.
Enough with the 'you cant see/read saracasm in text' -- if you didnt see it, I'm gonna call you dumb. (Dumbass?)
How many Avalanche products do you own? I'm within 5' of 2 of my own; best stuff around - F* BOS and the Euro bandwagon. There's yer hate. As in - Def go with the Avy/Boxxer.
You pull out a an antagonistic 'troll' and then describe what I'm about to repeat with 'played out' -- Again with the butthurt; does Rite-Aid deliver?
If Craig said what is claimed above, he deserves a ribbing, I'll call him and repeat.
Enough with the 'you cant see/read saracasm in text' -- if you didnt see it, I'm gonna call you dumb. (Dumbass?)
How many Avalanche products do you own? I'm within 5' of 2 of my own; best stuff around - F* BOS and the Euro bandwagon. There's yer hate. As in - Def go with the Avy/Boxxer.
You pull out a an antagonistic 'troll' and then describe what I'm about to repeat with 'played out' -- Again with the butthurt; does Rite-Aid deliver?
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Simple, obvious humor just annoys me sorry. Nanny whatever degrading word discredits me, whatever.
Pretty sure I just have an Avvy shock in the house at present. Trying out new Bos stuff right now, but that has no reflection on anything. I'm keen to get my 3" stroke Avvy converted to 2.75" if I can for my G2 Zerode. Pretty sure this can be done. Not sure if I loose a touch of travel using the 3" stroke body, but that's way off topic now.
If I had unlimited funds I'd probably be ridding a Avy 40, maybe the new air 40.
Pretty sure I just have an Avvy shock in the house at present. Trying out new Bos stuff right now, but that has no reflection on anything. I'm keen to get my 3" stroke Avvy converted to 2.75" if I can for my G2 Zerode. Pretty sure this can be done. Not sure if I loose a touch of travel using the 3" stroke body, but that's way off topic now.
If I had unlimited funds I'd probably be ridding a Avy 40, maybe the new air 40.
I think the best BOS fork has an air spring and high low compression, and rebound. Also has hydrolic bumpstop (whatever that is)Oh god, troll much? I didn't give it much thought, just a passing comment. There's nothing wrong with showin some gratitude and respect where it's due. IMO Craig at Avalanche doesn't deserve to be discredited by someone on a forum over some private words. He obviously doesn't have or want to waste time playing who's got the quickest wit on forums and is not in a position to open himself up to be shot down by semantics on here. I was just saying what I thought should be said. I wanna mind my own business, that's my point. Others business shouldn't be shared on a forum
hasn't the butt hurt gag been played out yet? Boring.
Avy cart, quality craftsmanship, massive range of adjustment. Interchangeable to another chassis.
Boxxer Chassis, basic craftsmanship,quality, finnish.
Bos, basic but proven design, decent craftsmanship, quality and finnish. Arguably less service intervals than Boxxer spring leg.
Bos heavier.
They have the same external adjustments low speed rebound and comp don't they? Or does the Bos have external high speed comp too?
Now thats the spirit!!
The stroke conversion sounds possible (oh yeaaah) and it might even net you a relatively larger oil volume than comparable stroke shocks.......
I've always heard good things about the BOS stuff, but with that suspicious tinge of 'expensive and rare'(literal, not the shock...) making it more interesting.
Avalanche has been using proper damper designs for >10 years when most of the competition is just starting to make real products, if at all. And I'm unaware of another suspension maker that EVERY product ships tuned to the rider from the get-go. (Does BOS do this? - genuine question - )
Bos do a few different shock tunes as stock I think. And will do custom shim stacks if needed. I think the shim stacks are more basic than Avalanches(less shims), but still get the job done it would seem.
The shocks come in 6 setups. Craftmanship is not the best out there, adjustability is very limited, due to the different setups. Some people say, that the high speed compression cirquit has too limited oil flow. There's a thread about it somewhere here. Udi and Vorsprung suspension did some dyno testing with it.
Riding a Stoy Rare now, I am satisfied at the moment.
The forks are top notch though. Craftmanship is up there with the best.
The Idylle RaRe air has a claimed weight of 2920g.
The damping is really good. Like reallyreally good. Tons of control. And each two clicks make a real difference.
The only downside is that you have to pull out some tools to set the fork up.
Stiction is definitely up there with let's say a Fox 40 with Shakira coating, really impressive for an air fork I think.
A friend of mine came off a AVA Boxxer WC and rides now the Idylle rare too.
What can I say? He is really happy with the outcome. Damping is comparable to AVA, also in the midspeed, but the air spring and the chassis are a huge step up compared to the Boxxer.
I am on the BOS Springys since a month.
Riding a Stoy Rare now, I am satisfied at the moment.
The forks are top notch though. Craftmanship is up there with the best.
The Idylle RaRe air has a claimed weight of 2920g.
The damping is really good. Like reallyreally good. Tons of control. And each two clicks make a real difference.
The only downside is that you have to pull out some tools to set the fork up.
Stiction is definitely up there with let's say a Fox 40 with Shakira coating, really impressive for an air fork I think.
A friend of mine came off a AVA Boxxer WC and rides now the Idylle rare too.
What can I say? He is really happy with the outcome. Damping is comparable to AVA, also in the midspeed, but the air spring and the chassis are a huge step up compared to the Boxxer.
I am on the BOS Springys since a month.
It's the hydraulic bottom out control.
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Yeah I'm riding that one now. I'm not sure what the shim stack looks like, how the air spring works to not low through the mid stroke, what's going on with the negative spring, how it balances etc. Forks feel good so far. But these aren't the ones the OP is asking about. Not even sure if anything is the same in them damping or spring wise.
Yeah, Oil runs out of places to go so it gets squashed basically.
No Skid Marks,
here it was. Also a few pics of the Stoy internals:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/f19/bos-idylle-any-real-world-reviews-224251/
here it was. Also a few pics of the Stoy internals:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/f19/bos-idylle-any-real-world-reviews-224251/
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