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Anyone try the new Mallet DHs' yet.

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dilzy

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This is like a debate between Saints and some other ****ty brand, it doesn't even need to be considered.
 
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If they used the wrong steel in the spindle, then its a design flaw. Bet the logos were nice and clear though!
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Maybe I just have a little longer rope for the bike industry than most others. If what happened to mine is a design flaw, then not a single World Cup, let along National, Pro rider would make a single clean run on a WC course.

And since I spent a brief time as a piece parts buyer in the manufacturing industry, I've seen thousands of ridiculously stupid mistakes on MUCH more expensive piece parts. Everything from motor size turbo housings with porosity so bad you could shove your hand in it to miniature steel bushings shipped in the 10's of thousands with tolerances you can only find with ultra sensitive equipment that come in looking like Fruit Loops.

Bike companies are low man on the totem pole when it comes to buying power and the ability to dictate excellent QC. Shimano's QC is in house, so they can control piece parts like spindles.

Guys like Crank Brothers probably have to order tiny orders from piece part companies and have no control over truly pushing their suppliers to excel. The wrong screw up during the hardening process is so common place, it just doesn't bother me at the moment.
 
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Also, I'll use Jeremy R as an example. He had a set of the original's and snapped a spring mechanism in no time. I had 3 pairs from day one in the same batch and order as his and yet never once broke one. Sometimes, it can be random. I'm waiting to see if mine is random. If it's not, I may send my next note from a hospital bed.
 
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canadmos said:
What other clipless pedals have some pins that make for half decent grippage when not clipped in though?
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who ever really rides not clipped in though? Hell the other night I was riding a steep chicaney loose chute and had a foot pop out and was fine without pins on the pedal...this whole need to ride it unclipped BS is just that, BS....
 
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FlipFantasia said:
who ever really rides not clipped in though? Hell the other night I was riding a steep chicaney loose chute and had a foot pop out and was fine without pins on the pedal...this whole need to ride it unclipped BS is just that, BS....
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Do you run those shimano AM shoes? Or XC style?

I'm pretty new to clip less, run DX pedals, and some XC style shimano shoes, and don't have a huge issue, but when I DO come unclipped, the hard plastic to hard plastic ( or metal) interface is pretty slippy.

No disasters yet, but my next clip less shoes might be something more rubbery on the sole.
 
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Da Peach said:
Do you run those shimano AM shoes? Or XC style?

I'm pretty new to clip less, run DX pedals, and some XC style shimano shoes, and don't have a huge issue, but when I DO come unclipped, the hard plastic to hard plastic ( or metal) interface is pretty slippy.

No disasters yet, but my next clip less shoes might be something more rubbery on the sole.
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xc shoes, just jam the arch of your foot against the pedal
 
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kidwoo said:
No doing it right is getting your foot clipped back in and staying committed! :D
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it is all about staying committed, really, you just don't think about it and do it...and it's another reason why dx's are so good, because the pedal is tilted up a bit from the platform it's like a magnet for the cleat, you can just smash it back in real quick like.
 
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I suck at clipping back in quickly, especially after dabbing a foot in a panic haha. Those pins help out a bit. Perhaps the nature of the spinning wing things in the Crank Brothers pedals make them feel like they have less grip (when comparing the models with pins to the one without).

Also, the pins and grip on them make for extra awesomeness when doing a late night beer run to the store on the bike.

Looky what we have here..

http://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb9658543/p4pb9658543.jpg

Troll troll troll your boat, gently down the stream...
 
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kidwoo said:
No doing it right is getting your foot clipped back in and staying committed! :D
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Well yeah, if you're not first, you're last.


FlipFantasia said:
it is all about staying committed, really, you just don't think about it and do it...and it's another reason why dx's are so good, because the pedal is tilted up a bit from the platform it's like a magnet for the cleat, you can just smash it back in real quick like.
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I do seem to use the smashie technique.

I've actually just started to up the tension.
 
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I need more of these green square things^^
If you are in a steep rock section, sometimes, believe or not, you might have to dab if you get off balance. (It happens)
This can be nearly impossible to get back into quickly ,depending on where you are in all of it.

Its really hard for me to understand that this needs this much explanation for Flip.
This seems like a fairly common type of incident that happens on occasion.

That being said.The mallets are 1000 times better in this situation, never mind one in the wet, also.
 
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SCARY said:
If you are in a steep rock section, sometimes, believe or not, you might have to dab if you get off balance. (It happens)
This can be nearly impossible to get back into quickly ,depending on where you are in all of it.

Its really hard for me to understand that this needs this much explanation for Flip.
This seems like a fairly common type of incident that happens on occasion.
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For guys your age I guess.




heh heh


SCARY 'dabs'






It all seriousness though, that's riding nervous and just not spotting lines. But to assume this is a regular part of everyone's dh riding would be incorrect. And honestly if it was something I did regularly, I'd ride flats. Because expecting to be able to stand on clipless pedals is just setting yourself up for bad. They ALL suck for that.

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What's that the special olympics?

they use mallets too?

Figures
 
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SCARY said:
If you are in a steep rock section, sometimes, believe or not, you might have to dab if you get off balance. (It happens)
This can be nearly impossible to get back into quickly ,depending on where you are in all of it.

Its really hard for me to understand that this needs this much explanation for Flip.
This seems like a fairly common type of incident that happens on occasion.

That being said.The mallets are 1000 times better in this situation, never mind one in the wet, also.
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I'm sorry you suck so bad and can't get back into your pedals on steep stuff. It happens occasionally, but not enough for me to worry about needing pins and **** on my pedals.
 
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I need more of these green square things^^
If you ride the same **** that youre familiar with all the time, yeah I get it.
We have alot of rocks boulders, techy crap that sucks whst speed you may have away.
We, re not riding bike park smooth crap.
Also, I believe I did point out the slight lack of full mobility of my right ankle.

And I am old.But I buy really nice bike parts.
 
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SCARY said:
If you ride the same **** that youre familiar with all the time, yeah I get it.
We have alot of rocks boulders, techy crap that sucks whst speed you may have away.
We, re not riding bike park smooth crap.
Also, I believe I did point out the slight lack of full mobility of my right ankle.

And I am old.But I buy really nice bike parts.
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who says I ride the bikepark everyday? I've actually been living in Nelson since the fall and this place is steeper, looser, and rockier than most....and I don't know the trails super well at all....and even when in whistler, I'm not a bikepark whore at all and tend to ride valley trails way more often.
 
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SCARY said:
Well then, youre amazing.

My apologies
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it has nothing to do with being amazing, and everything to do with not trying to use a clipless pedal as a flat pedal, feet up, ride tidy...and I just don't have never had that much trouble getting clipped back in, even in steep tech situations.
 
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SCARY said:
My trail bike has flats.Sometimes I put clips on ,but it has to be a long spin or alot of climbing.Which I'm not a fan of,anyway.
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I just ask because like a lot of people, I was riding clipless on trail bikes long before I ever touched a big travel bike for shuttles and chairlifts. I rode flats like the first year I had a big bike but put clipless pedals on pretty soon and immediately was noticeably faster. So for me it was a no brainer. If you're set on clipping in for dh, throw those things on your trail bike too. Just make it the system you use everywhere. All the reasons you'd have for running clipless on a dh bike apply to trail riding too. And it'll get you way more used to just comitting to things with determination on easier terrain. That'll carry over obviously.

Just an idea.


Or just keep running flats. Clipless sounds scary anyway if your ankle has limited rotation.
 
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I ride flats on my DH bike... I still have visions of my near death experience on the Dirt Merchant creek gap where I pogoed on my front wheel for about 40 yards. Had I gone over, I'd like to think I'd have leapt over the bars and run it out...

This imaginary scenario seems less believable in clips, somehow...
 
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I've torn my hamstring muscle going over the bars in clipless pedals once. Considering how many times I've eaten shlt in clipless that was kind of a freak occurence. Plus it was because I was following someone who had no business in front of me who had a terrfying affinity for panic braking.

But hell I've ditched my bike beneath me in clipless pedals on ginormous jumps before. There was certainly no 'thinking about it', it's just programmed. I'm sure you would have done the same.
 
SCARY

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I need more of these green square things^^
It is at times.But its alot scar ier to have your foot bounce all over the pedal.

I went and rode dh yesterday on them , and after I figured out that I had skewed the cleats in the wrong direction , it became alot easier to get in and out after I fixed that.derp

I do have another set coming in for the trail bike.Theyve just been on backorder for a month.But I dont have any real issue riding flats and clips.Its good for being able to ride with the bike and not forgetting how to do that.

That all being said.Theyre still tons more confidence inspiring than the dxs (while they work)in all situations.
And now im done with this thread
 
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