Thought id spread the word. Check out the article.
http://dirt.mpora.com/news/ohlins-create-a-rather-special-rear-shock-for-specialized.html
http://dirt.mpora.com/news/ohlins-create-a-rather-special-rear-shock-for-specialized.html
Ohlins/Specialized Dirt Article
- Thread starter BigHitComp04
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so a double barrel with less adjustments and sideways resi?
So they give you less adjustments? charge you the same? and call it better?
I'm comfortable with my bike and mechanic knowledge, but I still confuse myself with my CCDB. I rarely time it to a particular run, or change any settings. I sort a long time perfecting my base settings and now don't change it. If I could get the same shock, with an easier way to tune to different tracks/conditions in a less complicated way, because its already to a degree base tuned to my bike, then I see that as a benefit.
I'm very interested in the price point. I still haven't done the service/shaft upgrade on my current 2012 CCDB so if it is available in August and I can get a decent deal and ride it for another 2 months them I may have some Ohlins mtb goodness soon.
Now if only they started working on a fork...
I'm very interested in the price point. I still haven't done the service/shaft upgrade on my current 2012 CCDB so if it is available in August and I can get a decent deal and ride it for another 2 months them I may have some Ohlins mtb goodness soon.
Now if only they started working on a fork...
****, i can barely understand the writing, let alone with font issues.Cool.
Is it just me, or is the font on that article playing games with my eyes? My eyes are getting stuck on every "t".
"All said and done the Ohlins can still be dialed into a less than optimum by way of going for the harder or softer setting in the wrong environment on the compression particularly but crucially the adjustment is at a very rough guess about 15% off optimum compared with say 80% possibility found on many shocks."
wtf? i know what he's saying but i shouldn't have to put that much effort into it.
all in due time...
I have to agree, that was the most confusing article I have ever read.
Did the editors decide to randomly remove and or replace words before they went to print, just for ****s and giggles??
BTW, in the small amount of bounce around the parking lot time I've had on that shock under the team tent, it feels nothing like a ccdb and feels pretty damn parking-lot-tastic.
Did the editors decide to randomly remove and or replace words before they went to print, just for ****s and giggles??
BTW, in the small amount of bounce around the parking lot time I've had on that shock under the team tent, it feels nothing like a ccdb and feels pretty damn parking-lot-tastic.
I may have just bought a Specialized, but this is all Specialized marketing 101.
"We put the reservoir at 90 degrees, so now it's even better."
"Why not just make the reservoir the same and use the same basic shock body as the other CCDBs?"
"But this one is at 90 degrees!"
"We put the reservoir at 90 degrees, so now it's even better."
"Why not just make the reservoir the same and use the same basic shock body as the other CCDBs?"
"But this one is at 90 degrees!"
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Exactly, especially if you think that rider weight range is 50kg - 110kg.
Do they shim the shock for each size (weight range) differently?
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change the face to sinyard's, and the caption to "but ours is proprietary"I may have just bought a Specialized, but this is all Specialized marketing 101.
"We put the reservoir at 90 degrees, so now it's even better."
"Why not just make the reservoir the same and use the same basic shock body as the other CCDBs?"
"But this one is at 90 degrees!"
"PECIALIZED PARTNER UP WITH OHLINS TO DITCH THE EXCESS DAMPER ADJUSTMENT ON THEIR GRAVITY RANGE OF BIKES"
:facepalm:
:facepalm:
translation: let's cost reduce it and call it a feature
"What makes this shock special is that it removes any unwanted areas of damping"
I'd still use a Cane Creek Thumper seatpost. Nobody messes with my unwanted areas of damping..."What makes this shock special is that it removes any unwanted areas of damping"
Nah, you know the saying "screw the little guy". On a serious note though, hope that they have thought about this and not just gone for the "Benneict and Ropelato says it's the bees knees. So good to go then" kind of thing
Otherwise I fail to see if they have come up with anything really special? I know that my business will go to DVO or the new Zoochi stuff as soon as i can get my hands on them. Only companies really supporting the home mechanic/tuner.
Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with this? If spec found the reason the majority of their top of the line bikes didn't ride well was because of poor suspension setup with an extremely complex and adjustable shock that is designed to fit a large variety of bicycles compression and rebound needs, it makes sense to me to bring the range in a bit to make it more difficult to setup poorly...
Take CCDB, make proprietary, sell more, profit.
I wonder if they'll also sue Cane creek for using the same technology.
It looks like they did the opposite of what CC did with their shock. Rather than designing a damper that could be taken from one frame to another, with a wide range of adjustability, they took the damper and dumbed it down/custom tuned it to one frame so it wouldn't work with any other. Looks easier to adjust with gloved fingers though, at least.
I wonder if they'll also sue Cane creek for using the same technology.
It looks like they did the opposite of what CC did with their shock. Rather than designing a damper that could be taken from one frame to another, with a wide range of adjustability, they took the damper and dumbed it down/custom tuned it to one frame so it wouldn't work with any other. Looks easier to adjust with gloved fingers though, at least.
as of right now its OEM only; i haven't seen anything indicating either company would be selling it aftermarket
unpossible. CC developed the DB in conjunction with Ohlins. I know at least the first gen shocks had the name "Ohlins" printed on either the body or the resi. the legal standing between ohlins and cc and ohlins and spesh hasn't been disclosed to the best of my knowledge. There may be a link between this subject and the ohlins shock for spesh being OEM only.
Sure, it's marketing. Yes, they are taking something that is relatively unchanged and trying to create a "change". Having said that, it makes sense to me. I own a '12 Demo and read numerous threads, articles etc. about what the best shock for the frame would be and how to tune it. Ultimately, 95% of the comments regarding the CCDB said, "go off of the recommended settings and tweak it a click or two".
Guess what, that works. So why do you need 10,000 clicks of adjustment? It is already a PITA to switch that damper to another frame due to the yoke mount. I bet that if everybody listed their shock tune set up, they wouldn't be all that different. Keep it simple and make it work.
Guess what, that works. So why do you need 10,000 clicks of adjustment? It is already a PITA to switch that damper to another frame due to the yoke mount. I bet that if everybody listed their shock tune set up, they wouldn't be all that different. Keep it simple and make it work.
maybe i should have been more clear with the sarcasm. Specialized hearts lawsuits, and doesn't take kindly to anybody else having access to the same or similar technology. Logically, why not go ahead and sue even though you licensed the tech well after somebody else? /s
They're just undercutting the competition. Instead of paying CC for their dampers, specialized makes their own and gets to keep that money to themselves. Because it says "ohlins" on the side, most people will forget that they're getting 60% of the shock that a CCDB is.
I am always amazed that riders say they have such a hard time setting up a CCDB. Folks, it ain't that damn hard.
These must be the same people who sit at 4 way stop signs and wave people on.
This is why you are getting shocks with less adjustments.
Devolution is taking place.
These must be the same people who sit at 4 way stop signs and wave people on.
This is why you are getting shocks with less adjustments.
Devolution is taking place.
specialized is secretly working on proprietary rim/tire interface. and a proprietary chain.
I tend to agree w/this, As much as like having a bunch of knobs to turn, it gets annoying when you can't get it to feel right.
i don't have a problem with it. it's a pretty smart idea since the shocks can be tuned to the frames they're going on at the factory.
i'm just poking fun at the marketing surrounding it
Couldnt they have just came out with a tune for a CCDB that they already sell on the bike? im sure you can make both of these shocks feel exactly the same (at least for the people that actually buy them)
would be interesting to see a comparison of the 2 shocks on a dyno
Definitley like the idea of a shock designed for a special bike, due to the easy adjustment, better performance etc. But I don't think that you can get it right for extrremly heavy or light riders due to lack of adjustment range of for example the rebound. Comparing to other shocks seven clicks don't do trick.
But I am down to testride it and see if I am wrong...
But I am down to testride it and see if I am wrong...
Well some more scientific approach would be a comparison testing between the Double Barrel and the new shock in stead of just claiming its much better and the DB was designed 7 years ago.
Kinda like how Bike Magazine promotes this video - oh wow, 29ers provide stability in a straight line, amazing revelation:
http://www.bikemag.com/videos/video-curtis-keene-shreds-some-of-bcs-best-trails/
You mean the American mountain biking media. The Germans make an effort.
Did you use an entire roll of tinfoil for your hat? Jesus dude, if every frame company started selling shocks that were designed with a specific compression range tailored for their bicycle, you'd be stoked. Cane Creek needs to make a shock to sell for a wide variety of bicycles needs. So they have a huge range, with lots of room for error in setup. I have ridden some truly awful ccdb setups where the rider tells me its the best thing evar but really its terribad and they just don't know what they're doing.
I think giving the option of a really really well built high end shock specifically tailored for your bicycle is a great idea. Trek did a good job with the DHX5.0, and specialized is taking it a step further. They're not trying to sell the shock aftermarket, so they can make it as proprietary as they want, since the only bike they care about improving is their own. And they're not trying to sell their marketing, they're trying to sell their bike. Which they're doing an admirable job of by trying to simultaneously put out a bike that rides great, and telling people about it. You've always hated spec. You wouldn't buy one. Why do you care and hate them so much for trying to come up with ways to improve their ride quality.
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the article says it will be available aftermarket...for two Spesh bikes only.
26lb spring increments? lolz
FTFY, as someone who submitted products for testing and bought advertising from german bike media.
Here's a review for you guys to chew on. It answers the reason why there are only 7 clicks of rebound adjustment and much, much more. Enjoy.
http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Rear-Shocks,35/hlins/TTX,12627#product-reviews/1385
http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Rear-Shocks,35/hlins/TTX,12627#product-reviews/1385
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This.
Using the CC supplied base tune I got my DBa working great virtually immediately.
Needs a few more tweaks, mostly re air pressure, but dead simple.
PB has their article up as well if anyone wants to soak it all in.
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/First-Look-hlins-TTX-Rear-Shock-2013.html