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Are grad students the dumbest people on Earth?

MMike

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I have always worked around engineers and a good majority of them have been quite deficient in some aspect of life, socially, common sense, etc. When I went to grad school to get my masters in mechanical engineering I was expecting to be surrounded by the most awkward single-minded group of engineers possible. Quite happily I was quite wrong. The vast majority of them were extremely well rounded, not only good at their specialty but athletes, musicians. With out a question they were significantly more well rounded than any other group of engineers I have been around. Maybe our program sought out the atypical nerd but I was pleasantly surprised.

In that case the only explanation is that YOU were the socially awkward, deficient one.
 

Pesqueeb

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Most of the people I work with need more academia in their lives, and most of them are social retards as well. So I wouldn't say it's necassarily a product of over education or extreme focus.
 

Austin Bike

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Duh, Austin
I once had an intern who was getting an MBA from Yale working for me one summer (I had a lowly BS from an average Midwest state school). His review at the end of the summer was "average."

He protested saying "but I am getting an MBA from Yale."

To which I replied "which is why were expecting more out of you."

You could have heard a pin drop. I think the lightbulb finally went off. I have no issue with grad students, but there is often a sense of entitlement that comes along for the ride.
 

jonKranked

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I once had an intern who was getting an MBA from Yale working for me one summer (I had a lowly BS from an average Midwest state school). His review at the end of the summer was "average."

He protested saying "but I am getting an MBA from Yale."

To which I replied "which is why were expecting more out of you."


You could have heard a pin drop. I think the lightbulb finally went off. I have no issue with grad students, but there is often a sense of entitlement that comes along for the ride.
well effing played.
 

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Funny this thread comes up now. I'm having all kinds of issues at work right now because pretty much everyone else has a master's degree (or doctorate), while I "only" have 8 years of experience and a BS. This is in the science field, where a person with a master's is about worth a person with a bachelor's and two years of experience...

Anyways, we're trying to pick a new intern who will literally be with us for 2-6 months, and they all want a master's candidate. This is almost specifically to do a single task, over and over again, for a brief period where demand for that specific task is high. We don't need them for anything else. We've had master's students before, and while they want to reinvent the wheel, all we really need is one highly technical, specific task done, and they can't figure it out. One person said that bachelor's candidates will "Get bored if they're not told specifically what to do, and surf the internet." Well, I'd like to see his explanation for the four master's employees sitting around on facebook.
 

jonKranked

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sandwich - i've seen what you described before. you have people who just finished their phd's... which is great and all, except when you consider that they have 8-10 years in academia and maybe a year tops working in actual industry.
 

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oh yeah. We have one guy who's a fresh phd with zero experience outside of our lab and like a year and a half in it. If we want anything done, he's really good at telling one of his reports to do it. If there's somebody else to command, he doesn't leave his office. I'll happily go to him for scientific advice, but when it comes to actually running the business, I often times have to reel him in, because it's not ALWAYS SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT.
 

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oh yeah. We have one guy who's a fresh phd with zero experience outside of our lab and like a year and a half in it. If we want anything done, he's really good at telling one of his reports to do it. If there's somebody else to command, he doesn't leave his office. I'll happily go to him for scientific advice, but when it comes to actually running the business, I often times have to reel him in, because it's not ALWAYS SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT.
and project schedules are a foreign concept to them
 

CrabJoe StretchPants

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The PhD's at my last place always wanted to make high-speed, high-precision industrial automation equipment out of plywood and duct tape because it worked for their prototype mock-ups. It was never NOT entertaining to hear their design solutions/ideas.
 

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The love affair with dry erase anything is equally terrifying.

Why not a nice MS project file or even outlook calendar instantly updateable and sharable with all parties across a wireless network that can also be accessed at home if need be? How about an excel table that auto-calculates inventory and can help predict needs in advance? Nah, I drew a grid on a window and we have like 3 markers.
 

jonKranked

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The love affair with dry erase anything is equally terrifying.

Why not a nice MS project file or even outlook calendar instantly updateable and sharable with all parties across a wireless network that can also be accessed at home if need be? How about an excel table that auto-calculates inventory and can help predict needs in advance? Nah, I drew a grid on a window and we have like 3 markers.
what do you mean we can't extend the project schedule by a year?
 

JohnE

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My son made a wallet out of duct tape. He has about 10 different designs and colors...moustaches, camoflage, zebra, psychedelic, rainbow, plain silver and checkerboards. I stole some from him to wrap around my mini pump for trailside repairs...his response- "I didnt know you could do that (Fix stuff...) with it...thats cool!"
 

CrabJoe StretchPants

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My son made a wallet out of duct tape. He has about 10 different designs and colors...moustaches, camoflage, zebra, psychedelic, rainbow, plain silver and checkerboards. I stole some from him to wrap around my mini pump for trailside repairs...his response- "I didnt know you could do that (Fix stuff...) with it...thats cool!"
So your son is a hipster?
 

Austin Bike

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Duh, Austin
Used to be in the semiconductor business. I can't tell you how many times in debug one of the engineers would just say "we need to respin the silicon". Which is a 3-6 month schedule hit. To them the elegant solution was always the best way to go. Those of us in marketing knew that you have to make money and a 6-month delay means $0.

Get out of the theoretical, get into the practical.
 

CrabJoe StretchPants

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Used to be in the semiconductor business. I can't tell you how many times in debug one of the engineers would just say "we need to respin the silicon". Which is a 3-6 month schedule hit. To them the elegant solution was always the best way to go. Those of us in marketing knew that you have to make money and a 6-month delay means $0.

Get out of the theoretical, get into the practical.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 

Casey-Ryan

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People who go to grad school are just force fed so much knowledge in such a sort span of time that they can't think of anything else because they have been eating, breathing and pooping whatever they have been studying. Think of it like Neo in the matrix when in two seconds learns kung-Fu well I guess the normal people are only able to retain a certain amount of information. Like the old PC days when you would install a new game and had to uninstall that game to fit the new one you just got (hence why the console system took off) Most people are just only able to retain a certain amount of knowledge and unfortunately common sense seems the first to go.

Thats what you get when you eliminate factory workers and send all the dumb kids to college.
 

Kanye West

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I have always worked around engineers and a good majority of them have been quite deficient in some aspect of life, socially, common sense, etc. When I went to grad school to get my masters in mechanical engineering I was expecting to be surrounded by the most awkward single-minded group of engineers possible. Quite happily I was quite wrong. The vast majority of them were extremely well rounded, not only good at their specialty but athletes, musicians. With out a question they were significantly more well rounded than any other group of engineers I have been around. Maybe our program sought out the atypical nerd but I was pleasantly surprised.
My MSME program was 50/50. Very well-rounded, functional, capable and practical people, or total academic lifers with zero work experience.

Typically, prior work experience (or lack of it) was mutually exclusive to each group.

With that said, I have this to share:

http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/80000/5000/100/185149/185149.strip.zoom.gif
 
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MMike

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Used to be in the semiconductor business. I can't tell you how many times in debug one of the engineers would just say "we need to respin the silicon". Which is a 3-6 month schedule hit. To them the elegant solution was always the best way to go. Those of us in marketing knew that you have to make money and a 6-month delay means $0.

Get out of the theoretical, get into the practical.
Say what now? holy crap. Just holy crap......yeah....listen to the marketing people. That's a recipe for success every time....

edit: and it was just SO timely that I had just read an idiotic email from one of our marketing people just before reading this thread again.

just.....wow....
 
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CrabJoe StretchPants

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Did your last employer reduce hours, circle the bowl for a year and ultimately lay off staff because the product sucked or because they couldn't sell/deliver what the engineering geniuses designed?

That happened because marketing/sales sold things that couldn't be designed/built in the budget/time frame they promised and we lost our shirts on every sale.....


Hence my disbelief at the post I quoted. :rolleyes:
 
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